Tolkmod Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 So, I bought 8 Rims today. Off of craigslist. It seemed like a friggin steal and a half. Advertized as 14x6, with a 4x114.3 bolt pattern (exactly what i wanted). So I drive out, buy them and get them home. I start messing around and my buddy Mike shows up to look at my new toys. A few questioning looks from me at the current tire mounted on one of the tires (graciously given for free by the seller) says that it's a 185/70 R13 tire. I asked my buddy (being the car stupid person that i am) Hey, 13" tires can't fit on a 14" rim can they? He says, no idiot, they're 13's not 14s. So i take out my measuring tape. "But... But... they're 14"s" I cried... Whatever, well to the point. They're 13" rims, 13x6 to be exact. Also, only 4 of them are a 4x114.3 bolt pattern. The other 4 are 4x107.95 (or 4x4.25") How awesome is that? lol I now have 4 completely useless rims, and another 4 that I still might use. Anyone have any idea how much the four 4x6 -- 4x107.95's are worth, and what I could try to get out of them? Or even what kind of car might use them? I'm gonna try to put them back up on craigslist and see if i can sell them. Quote Link to comment
Tolkmod Posted June 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Oh, and the second pic is just the rim sitting on top of my spare tire, that's not the tire that's on it currently. Quote Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 you are measuring them wrong,, 4 Quote Link to comment
Tolkmod Posted June 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Ah, so the lip doesn't count. Ok thanks! Quote Link to comment
MikeRL411 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 If they are in fact 13 inch wheels the early 310 roadster [1500 cc engine] and all 410 and 411 will accept them. Quote Link to comment
blown240 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 First off, I never called you an idiot. At least not to your face. :) My concern with the wheels is that they take Mag style lug nuts, and the studs are not centered in the bores. Not sure how hard it will be to get someone to open the lug bores a bit. Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Miatas and Focuses are 4x108. That is all I know. eBay fodder, they are. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Caveat Emptor. Look this Latin expression up, it says volumes about your position. Stop buying stuff unless you have lots of money to throw around. If buying something know all that there is about what you are buying. Become an expert about it and best of all know more about it than the seller. Another thing about rims is knowing what range of off set will fit your vehicle. Off set is the distance in or out on the axle the rim sits when bolted up. Too much positive off set places the rim too far in towards the vehicle and it can rub the inner fender, suspension or steering parts. Too much negative off set and the rim is too far out from the vehicle and is outside the fender . This throws dirt on the body and worse on bumps the body will come down on the spinning wheel. Actually, worse is, it looks retarted. 3 Quote Link to comment
Tolkmod Posted June 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Caveat Emptor. Look this Latin expression up, it says volumes about your position. Totally agree, it was an impulse buy and something that still might pay off. But i totally agree, in the end I should have quadruple checked before i bought. I'm gonna try to sell the others and recoup at least some of my money. Only paid $100 for all of them, so even then I can probably get it back if these don't work out for me. I appreciate your input D-Mike... don't ever stop giving me crap for screwing up :) As soon as I saw the size of the tire i had that sinking feeling I screwed the pooch on that deal. Still, might use them, I'm going to take them to a local rim specialist this weekend (maybe sooner) to see how badly (or how lucky) I did. Another thing about rims is knowing what range of off set will fit your vehicle. Off set is the distance in or out on the axle the rim sits when bolted up. Too much positive off set places the rim too far in towards the vehicle and it can rub the inner fender, suspension or steering parts. Too much negative off set and the rim is too far out from the vehicle and is outside the fender . This throws dirt on the body and worse on bumps the body will come down on the spinning wheel. Actually, worse is, it looks retarted. And i agree on this as well, I want a decently flush look for the rims. From what I've seen so far the four that do fit are almost an exact match of my current dealer rims, 13x5.5 (i gotta remeasure the inner bead again to make sure of the width, might be 6" wide) So, if anything at least i have a better looking set of rims. Even the offsets look the same. Maybe a bit of a negative off set, but I'm alright with that, pushes the rim out just a little, and that's not a bad thing on my car. Quote Link to comment
Tolkmod Posted June 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Oh, and here's a pic of the rim on the car (just sitting there, not bolted down) 1 Quote Link to comment
TENDRIL Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 looks normal to me.... its a 210 right? 1 Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 That looks right at home there. 1 Quote Link to comment
Tolkmod Posted June 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 looks normal to me.... its a 210 right? Yup, 74' B210 4 door sedan Quote Link to comment
Rays74 Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 That looks right at home there. If not for the wrong stud spacing :( I have 13x6 slots on my green 510 wagon and like them, tires weren't all that tough to locate Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 If not for the wrong stud spacing :( He has 2 sets. One correct. One not. Pic posted is of the correct set. Hm. Quote Link to comment
Tolkmod Posted June 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 He has 2 sets. One correct. One not. Pic posted is of the correct set. Hm. You are correct. I did some measuring last night and what i have is the following; 4 - 13x5.5 rims with a 4x114.3 bolt pattern 5 - 13x5.5 rims with a 4x108 bolt pattern Both sets seem to have a positive offset (from what I've learned from you guys on how to measure) though i found it difficult to meause what the offset actually is. When i get a chance ill post a pick of how i measured the offset. Also, i posted the other set on Craigslist. http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pts/5059052560.html Quote Link to comment
qwik510 Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 If worse comes to worse, scrap aluminum is going for about $.75 per pound. An average 13" slot mag weighs around 12 pounds. So those 5 wheels could bring about $45 in scrap. BTW, choices in 13" tires are slim. 1 Quote Link to comment
Tolkmod Posted June 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 If worse comes to worse, scrap aluminum is going for about $.75 per pound. An average 13" slot mag weighs around 12 pounds. So those 5 wheels could bring about $45 in scrap. BTW, choices in 13" tires are slim. Good idea, ill keep that in mind if i cant unload these. Also, aren't all the mini's and other small cars using 13's as well? Wouldn't that keep the 13" tire range going? Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 5, 2015 Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 I park the car level and hold a torpedo level vertical on the rim edge. Close as possible to vertical is enough. Quote Link to comment
Tolkmod Posted June 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2015 I park the car level and hold a torpedo level vertical on the rim edge. Close as possible to vertical is enough. So basically use a plum bob from the top edge of the fender? Quote Link to comment
Tolkmod Posted June 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 It reads at approximately 2 1/8" from the edge of the rim. My current rims are 1" from the edge of the rim. So, I'll decrease the positive offset by approximately 1 1/8" (if i understand how that works anyways) if I use these rims. Quote Link to comment
Tolkmod Posted June 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 So, after confirming that those 4 will fit my car, and won't do damage to it (unless i put ungodly massive tires on them) I desided to see if i could pretty them up. I bought a 3M rim restoring kit, seriously cheaper than going to one of those rim restoring places, and went to work. Picture doesn't quite bring out how polished the alum is, but it looks pretty dang good in person. (when you compare it to the before that is... everything is relative to how it looked when i got it lol) Needless to say i was quite happy with the results. Then I got all wild and crazy and on the spur of the moment decided to plexi-dip the rim in that same matte black i used for my grill. B) It'll probably get messed up if/when i have a tire mounted on it but I wanted to see how it would turn out and I had left over dip from a used can so I figured why not. I was exceedingly happy with the results. This gives me hope that the other three can be used, as well as look rather nice!! :thumbup: :thumbup: Unless you're right up on top of the rims you can't even see the deep scratches. I'm sure an easy layer of filler would fix that if i got crazy picky about it, but I think it adds a little character to the rims :) 2 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 6, 2015 Report Share Posted June 6, 2015 This does not take into account the various rim mounting thicknesses. Mags are thicker than stamped steel. Flip the rim over and measure down to the WMS (wheel mounting surface) If you know the rim width and the distance down to the WMS from the rim, you can calculate where the WMS is in relation to the center of the rim width. Read this... http://cocomponents.com/dealer/blog/wheel-offset-explained/ Now you can find out where you are. (rim wise) This is crucial because you have to know where you are in order to move in the right direction, (again... rim wise) to correct a poor fitting rim choice or replacing a stock rim with something that still fits. Quote Link to comment
Tolkmod Posted June 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 This does not take into account the various rim mounting thicknesses. Mags are thicker than stamped steel. Flip the rim over and measure down to the WMS (wheel mounting surface) If you know the rim width and the distance down to the WMS from the rim, you can calculate where the WMS is in relation to the center of the rim width. Read this... http://cocomponents.com/dealer/blog/wheel-offset-explained/ Now you can find out where you are. (rim wise) This is crucial because you have to know where you are in order to move in the right direction, (again... rim wise) to correct a poor fitting rim choice or replacing a stock rim with something that still fits. Awesome... man that was a good read. I'll have to do some more detailed measuring tomorrow to see where I stand on the offset. THANKS! Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 Here is free advice. Don't fall in love with a set of rims and then try to make the car fit them. This is like having a high maintenance g/f. She looks great but you have to make all the changes in order to keep her. Know your car and what will fit first then go looking, and you'll be much happier. Quote Link to comment
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