DISLEXICDIME Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 If you had the cash would you buy a ca18det or an sr20det for your 510 ! then i would like to know why you would buy said engine. I want facts of why you would or would not buy one of these engines. I dont want the usual i want a ca because i want to be different !:) debate! Quote Link to comment
INDY510 Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 (edited) . SR20det CA18det *Pros *Pros Newer lighter Looks sexy smaller Lots of torque smaller transmission=less cutting Lots of after market parts No need to flip center link (i think) More of them swapped into dimes GT28 turbo+extras= fun Bolt in kits and wiring diagrams availible sounds cool at 8k rpm *Cons *Cons Heavy OLD need to flip center link or use Rack/Pinion Hard to rebuild FRONT SUMP Kinda rare in the states Big ass transmission=more cutting less parts availible Nothing unique about a SR510 They were unique in the 90's I've heard of twisted bodies because of too much torque FRONT SUMP Expensive Expensive The motor might have been drifted and tortured The motor might have been drifted and tortured Edited December 20, 2009 by INDY510 Quote Link to comment
DISLEXICDIME Posted December 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 nice indy but i was wondering why you say a ca is hard to rebuild ? But i also know people who have horror stories of bolts snapping off in the aluminum blocks of sr's we will make that a con for the sr's Quote Link to comment
INDY510 Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 I guess I just remember reading on the realm about the crank shaft being a bitch to get out: here's the thread:from the510realm http://www.the510realm.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9033&p=100360&hilit=+ca18det+rebuild#p100360 Quote Link to comment
sssr20det510 Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 The main reason I have not bought a ca is aftermarket support and cost of aftermarket parts sr is more out of the gate but cheaper in the long run Quote Link to comment
Whoracle Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 fj20!!!! lol :D. Or if the gods like you fj24 Quote Link to comment
610SSS Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 fj20!!!! lol :D. Or if the gods like you fj24 x2 Iv been thinking about buying a Ca18det for my 610 as after christmas i will have the money buuuuut iv been offer'd a low mile fj20 turbo for 1500 so im going for it. Give me a old school Fj anyday.:drool: My next datsun will be Sr20det as there is so much aftermarket stuff going cheap these days. Quote Link to comment
lynchfourtwenty Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 theres way more aftermarket support for the sr's thats for sure, however i havent heard anything about people snapping bolts because of aluminum blocks? also if you get an engine from a jdm import company you dont really have to worry as much about the engine bein drifted an such, one company i will say to stay away from is that tigerjapanese place.. have heard alot of bad stuff about them.. i dont know much about the ca but bang for buck the sr FTW also i would think it would take alot of power to twist your 510 but if you were going for high hp im sure you would take the nessecery precautions for that.. go sr mikey you will love it.. Quote Link to comment
b210in Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 theres way more aftermarket support for the sr's thats for sure, however i havent heard anything about people snapping bolts because of aluminum blocks? also if you get an engine from a jdm import company you dont really have to worry as much about the engine bein drifted an such, one company i will say to stay away from is that tigerjapanese place.. have heard alot of bad stuff about them.. i dont know much about the ca but bang for buck the sr FTW also i would think it would take alot of power to twist your 510 but if you were going for high hp im sure you would take the nessecery precautions for that.. go sr mikey you will love it.. if you want all out power and intend to enjoy it at the drags or track, then by all means go sr. the sr definately enjoys more aftermarket support too an extent. aside from a stroker kit ( which are rare for the ca), what other parts can't you get for the ca that you can get for the sr? bigger turbos? cams? forged pistons? custom ported heads? what? all these parts are availabe for the ca, granted they are a little more pricey for the ca. dont believe the myth that parts are difficult to find the ca. you can get almost any part from kragens or oriely auto parts. you just got to know how to order it. most of us just order parts for an 88 nissan pulsar se. i personally have a cadet in my b210. i chose it for price, uniqueness, weight, and rev-ability, and i just plain wanted to stand out in a sea of sr510's. one more thing, if i had some major bucks, i would have totally go for a turbochared fj20. Quote Link to comment
FoxyRoadster Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Not to get off subject but if you aren't worried about keeping the car all Nissan you might look at other engines.. I compared everything from rotary power to the JDM engines for my roadster and I'm going with a Mazda BP from the miata just due to the size of the engine, availability locally of parts, aftermarket and the power isn't too bad when comparing to the SR20DE or the CA18 but on subject I'd go with the SR20 just for the fact there is a bigger aftermarket parts selection Quote Link to comment
WagDatto Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 SR vs KA vs CA. They all use the SAME TRANSMISSION with different bell housings. There's no real cutting involved to fit the transmission other than opening/widening the shifter hole location, which would be the exact same story with any of the three motors. SR: Internally balanced Cheap aftermarket support Tried and true Bolt in kits A bit more expensive Responds well to mods Fairly reliable as a stock motor More knowledge on them, meaning any problems you have you can diagnose online Quote Link to comment
lynchfourtwenty Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 SR OR BUST MIKEY.. i mean you wouldnt want me to pass you with my NA se-r would you? cause ya.. i'd doit :) Quote Link to comment
DISLEXICDIME Posted December 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 a na sr is just like driving a built l18 with better gas mileage and no gas smell from the carb's i am sure my l18 will keep up with your na sr just fine ! Quote Link to comment
lynchfourtwenty Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 oh ya? hahahahah i want some of what your smokin have you even takin your l18 dime down the 1/4? Quote Link to comment
ichorid Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 less vs threads more engine swaps! Quote Link to comment
DISLEXICDIME Posted December 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 the whole point of this thread is the prequel to a swap. i cant decide what i want to do next sr, ka, ca, g54b 2.6-t this is part of my research! Quote Link to comment
lynchfourtwenty Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 if we were in aussie land i think the ca would be more realisitc.. i know people say parts arent hard to find but eh, idk.. over all the sr is newer an so far with nissan newer seems to be better.. there are some cases where thats not true though.. the starion setup would be pretty cool tho Quote Link to comment
iscout62 Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 I don't know what all the fuss is about parts for the 18de(t) There are quite a few interchanges that work in this engine. The crank wasn't an issue with mine, but I did have a little trouble with pistons. I ended up waiting for a set of .10 over forged pistons from my local shop. If you can read Japanese, there are a ton of parts over on the yahoo.jp auction site for these little things. :) But the Sr20's seem to be the popular swap around here. IDK, use what you can get I guess. I do know the CA will fit better in my 411. -ymmv Quote Link to comment
MicroMachinery Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 the whole point of this thread is the prequel to a swap. i cant decide what i want to do next sr, ka, ca, g54b 2.6-t this is part of my research! I had this same predicament a while back.. only it was between KA and SR. After a lot of research and endless hours of forum readings, I decided to go w/ a KA-T. It's been a slow, steady accumulation of parts, mostly because I'm taking my time and looking for good deals on used parts. I've learned that I don't really need to, but I'm putting forged internals into the KA, just for my own peace of mind(there are alot of people running 300-400hp Turboed KAs on stock internals). With the KA, I have an endless sea of parts availability here in the states, as the KA was sold readily here. The SR is all the rage, so people are droppin' their KAs like hotcakes. I picked up mine w/ trans, mostly complete, for $200. Forged internals will cost probably around $600 more, and then rebuild kit and machine work will probably be another $200. All in all, it will be less expensive than the SR, I'll have done all my own work and research, and it will be my own. The KA offers low end over top, and I prefer the low end torque to high revs, and the list of reasons I've chosen this route could go on and on. I'm glad to be doing it this way. I can build my engine ready for boost, and drive it N/A until I have exactly the turbo setup I want chosen. At that point, it's all just bolt-on and tuning(Turbo, lines, injectors, ECU swap, Intercooler+piping..). Engine stays put. Could probably all be done in an afternoon, truth be told. This allows me to go at my own pace, and figure out and research EXACTLY what I want.. it's not like a bolt-on kit. There is that avenue, but if I can get it exactly how I want, that's even more unique than putting in a CA or FJ or whatever. It requires my own brain, time, effort, and preferences. By the time I get it done, it will be precisely what I want, and it will truly be my own.. Quote Link to comment
DISLEXICDIME Posted December 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 oh ya? hahahahah i want some of what your smokin have you even takin your l18 dime down the 1/4? not yet i keep braking transmissions. hopefully this zx one will work out Quote Link to comment
MAG58 Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 I had this same predicament a while back.. only it was between KA and SR. After a lot of research and endless hours of forum readings, I decided to go w/ a KA-T. It's been a slow, steady accumulation of parts, mostly because I'm taking my time and looking for good deals on used parts. I've learned that I don't really need to, but I'm putting forged internals into the KA, just for my own peace of mind(there are alot of people running 300-400hp Turboed KAs on stock internals). With the KA, I have an endless sea of parts availability here in the states, as the KA was sold readily here. The SR is all the rage, so people are droppin' their KAs like hotcakes. I picked up mine w/ trans, mostly complete, for $200. Forged internals will cost probably around $600 more, and then rebuild kit and machine work will probably be another $200. All in all, it will be less expensive than the SR, I'll have done all my own work and research, and it will be my own. The KA offers low end over top, and I prefer the low end torque to high revs, and the list of reasons I've chosen this route could go on and on. I'm glad to be doing it this way. I can build my engine ready for boost, and drive it N/A until I have exactly the turbo setup I want chosen. At that point, it's all just bolt-on and tuning(Turbo, lines, injectors, ECU swap, Intercooler+piping..). Engine stays put. Could probably all be done in an afternoon, truth be told. This allows me to go at my own pace, and figure out and research EXACTLY what I want.. it's not like a bolt-on kit. There is that avenue, but if I can get it exactly how I want, that's even more unique than putting in a CA or FJ or whatever. It requires my own brain, time, effort, and preferences. By the time I get it done, it will be precisely what I want, and it will truly be my own.. +1 Why do so many people think the SR Is so much better? I mean The KA is plenty cheap in the states, the head might not flow as much but it's pretty damn close (I've never put each of them side to side as an aside to that comment) and you may say the KA wont be able to rev with it's big ass 96mm stroke, but then again, how long can you wind out the SR with a forked rocker setup? Meh. Who knows. I've always wanted to see a Cosworth motor in a dime, wheter it be the 190 Mercedes motor or the YB, so I'm pretty crazy. Quote Link to comment
lynchfourtwenty Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 i take my na sr to 8 grand whenever i want an she loves it my buddy smokes stock 240sx's with his stock se-r all the time.. better platform from the get go the ka is a truck motor hahahaha Quote Link to comment
Skib Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 SR OR BUST MIKEY.. i mean you wouldnt want me to pass you with my NA se-r would you? cause ya.. i'd doit :) psssshhh, there all missing 2 cylinders :lol: Quote Link to comment
lynchfourtwenty Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 my car is considerably faster in the 1/4 then a Stock 280zx turbo so missing 2 cylinders or not, i do pretty well :) an i have much more room to grow :fu: :lol: Quote Link to comment
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