72240z Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 (edited) I think I read something like that in Car and Driver, but I'm not sure. Whatever 72240z, I'm not going to argue. I came here to gather info on Datsuns, not argue about little immature bitch things. Was your posts not mine, and I didn't argue, just asked a question and quoted you...... The f20c has the highest (or did last I checked) hp to Liter ratio of any production car under like 100k or something like that. In japan with higher comp it pumps out like 250hp. Out of a 2.0? That's flat out crazy. Edited February 25, 2009 by 72240z Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Why does someone list camera gear in their signature space, electric scooter for vehicle and top secret for location in a datsun site? Then rag on other peoples shit. I think that's a better question. Whatever 72240z, I'm not going to argue. I came here to gather information on Datsuns, not argue about little immature bitch things. :lol::lol::lol: A location would be nice, even if it was just Ca. Quote Link to comment
b210in Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 this car represents all that is jdm bad-ass-ness. it's a puristist dream. if i had the money to do this swap in my bee i would have. if the car is here in cali, imagine, smog exempt, 9000 rpm redline, 240 horse, very light weight car, dam what's not to love? Quote Link to comment
Bleach Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Isnt the s2000 engine one of the best with respect to hp to displacement ratios? Thought i heard that somewhere. I can see people using that engine because it is the highest horsepower non-turbo 4-cyl available for RWD. Probably even FWD. Where else can you get 240 crank hp stock? Plus its the new factor. Newer engines are cool to do swaps with :D SR20DET is old skool :blink: Quote Link to comment
djlotus Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 this car represents all that is jdm bad-ass-ness. it's a puristist dream. if i had the money to do this swap in my bee i would have. if the car is here in cali, imagine, smog exempt, 9000 rpm redline, 240 horse, very light weight car, dam what's not to love? You forgot to mention the sound of VTEC when it engages. One of the best sounds in the world if you ask me. Quote Link to comment
72240z Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 I personally don't like vtec esp compared to some other variable set ups. For a econ car sure but for performance I think its close to pointless. The engine is starved most the time with a tiny cam profile and no lift then when you hit w/e rpm its set at it switches to the wild cam profile with high lift. I personally, have no problem running a performance cam 24/7 lol. If ever one of my cars ran a vtec motor the very 1st thing I'd do is install vtec elimination cams. I'll take the rated hp and the crazy cool sound they make ALL the time thank you very much :-). No doubt honda has done a great job though. Even as revy as they HAVE to be to make their power they are still reliable and last a long time. That's a hard thing to achieve stock. Quote Link to comment
510Kid Posted February 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Here is another pic of the car with the ninja in front. I found his build thread but then I lost the link, I will try and find it again. Quote Link to comment
510Kid Posted February 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 It's not his Datsun but it's another one with the same swap. http://nwp4life.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=24223&page=1 It is actually a pretty clean looking swap. Kinda makes me wanna do it. Quote Link to comment
ichorid Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 those are both bad ass swaps. the s2000 engine is a friggan beast. I could only imagine the ride in that thing. "oh hi! Im 240 N/A thats a cute turbo sounds kthnxbai!" Quote Link to comment
hang_510 Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 It's not his Datsun but it's another one with the same swap. http://forum.ratsun.net/showthread.php?t=6010 ;) nope. its this one^ ive seen it. still not my cup-O-tea... Quote Link to comment
510Kid Posted February 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 those are both bad ass swaps. the s2000 engine is a friggan beast. I could only imagine the ride in that thing. "oh hi! Im 240 N/A thats a cute turbo sounds kthnxbai!" Oh yeah, that would be awsome. Better hang on :eek:. Quote Link to comment
Icehouse Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Isnt the s2000 engine one of the best with respect to hp to displacement ratios? Thought i heard that somewhere. I personally don't like vtec esp compared to some other variable set ups. For a econ car sure but for performance I think its close to pointless. The engine is starved most the time with a tiny cam profile and no lift then when you hit w/e rpm its set at it switches to the wild cam profile with high lift. I personally, have no problem running a performance cam 24/7 lol. If ever one of my cars ran a vtec motor the very 1st thing I'd do is install vtec elimination cams. I'll take the rated hp and the crazy cool sound they make ALL the time thank you very much :-). No doubt honda has done a great job though. Even as revy as they HAVE to be to make their power they are still reliable and last a long time. That's a hard thing to achieve stock. What about the SR16VVT N1? It made like 205 hp, thats insane for a 1.6 liter as well. Guy made an adapter to run it in a RWD configuration too!!! I also agree about the "V-tech" or "VVT" or what ever the hell you want to call it. IMO it's for pollution, get the car to pass smog then kick in the "big guns" I would rather just have a big ass cam all day too :D NA engine's do sound nice but turbo engines are funner IMO, they are like a 2 stroke bike, there is nothing better :D Quote Link to comment
510Kid Posted February 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 they are like a 2 stroke bike, there is nothing better :D Ahh, the good 'ol 2 smoker. Quote Link to comment
72240z Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 What about the SR16VVT N1? It made like 205 hp, thats insane for a 1.6 liter as well. Guy made an adapter to run it in a RWD configuration too!!! I also agree about the "V-tech" or "VVT" or what ever the hell you want to call it. IMO it's for pollution, get the car to pass smog then kick in the "big guns" I would rather just have a big ass cam all day too :D NA engine's do sound nice but turbo engines are funner IMO, they are like a 2 stroke bike, there is nothing better :D I think the n1 isn't in the running because such a limited number produced. Wiki says 200 produced and 200hp. I know for production rally and some other classes its 1000 to be "production". Never the less the motor is impressive as hell too. 200n/a hp out of a 1.6 lol ridiculous. I saw the adapter for rwd but it's so much work since the dizzy would be in the back and what not. Don't get me wrong vvt and lift control is cool, it allows the ecu to keep the engine running optimally in many different conditions and loads. Sometimes less lift is better, like really low in the rpm for tq. I just don't like how vtec is an on/off situation. It just trades one power range cam for another while both have a natural optimum and drop off points. I believe the vtec i is true variable now. Like the neo an actuator driven by oil pressure lifts and lowers the entire cam to change lift coupled along with a standard timing control. All be it complex it really optimizes engine performance through out the rpm range. I wish they would couple it with variable length intake runners and maybe direct injection. Then I bet we would be seeing some crazy shit like 300hp 2.2L's. That still prob get great mpg depending on the final ratio/driver and pass new stricter emissions. Quote Link to comment
djlotus Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 I wish they would couple it with variable length intake runners and maybe direct injection. Then I bet we would be seeing some crazy shit like 300hp 2.2L's. That still prob get great mpg depending on the final ratio/driver and pass new stricter emissions. Just give it a couple years. DI is the new hot ticket so I'm sure we'll be seeing it almost every soon enough. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 I would rather have the Nissan VVT which is constantly variable. The V-tec is not variable it's either one or the other and should be called the Choice- tec Quote Link to comment
72240z Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 That was my point in an earlier post but check this out.... A September 25, 2006 press release announced the launch of the Advanced VTEC engine by Honda. The new engine combines continuously variable valve lift and timing control with the continuously variable phase control of VTC (Variable Timing Control). This new system permits optimum control over intake valve lift and phase in response to driving conditions, achieving improved charging efficiency for a significant increase in torque at all engine speeds. Under low to medium load levels, the valves are set for low lift and early closure to reduce pumping losses and improve fuel economy. In comparison to the 2.4L i-VTEC these advancements claim to increase fuel efficiency by 13%. Honda also claims that new engine also meets exhaust emission standards compliant with U.S. EPA - LEV2-ULEV regulations and Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport requirements for Low-Emission Vehicles, with emission levels 75% lower than those required by the 2005 standards. Advanced VTEC engines should go into production for 2009 models. Thats sexy Quote Link to comment
Bleach Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Doesn't Nissan offer something similar to that on the G37 or 370Z? I thought I read about a camless valvetrain where all the valves were controlled by computer controled hydralic lifters. Valve lift and timing was variable throughout the entire powerband. Quote Link to comment
72240z Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 (edited) Doesn't Nissan offer something similar to that on the G37 or 370Z?I thought I read about a camless valvetrain where all the valves were controlled by computer controled hydralic lifters. Valve lift and timing was variable throughout the entire powerband. Ya similar, but I think nissan uses something for the exhaust side too. I posted on hbz about csve engines like a year ago, was a decent thread. The prob is you need a 24volt system. I hear bmw, mercedes and fiat are just about ready. Pretty sure a gm diesel maybe duritec? Has actually been using camless on the exhaust side only for years now. It is sexy too and I believe the next logical step. I was thinking a person if inclined could do it themselves without even using a computer. You could use an extension off the dizy system or edis or w/e to open the valves just like firing the plugs. Edited February 25, 2009 by 72240z Quote Link to comment
Icehouse Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Instead of all that I'm just going to turn up the boost :D haha It is cool how they can do all that I just wonder what happens when it fails? I guess all we can do is wait until it comes out, then wait a couple more years, then get it at the wrecking yard, then try it.... Feeewwww It's going to be a while :D Quote Link to comment
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