'71 1200 cp. Out of Everett.

[nsr500]

Ok, lets see if I can get a pic up?

This is a test To see if it works.:confused:

 

It's a 3.9L all Alum Rover v8.

I know, I know. I could make more power with a turbo 4cyl, been there done that on my Yamaha Vmax.

This is for my son and I to work on together he's 8yrs and he loves telling everyone about the hot rod we're building.

Just don't tell him it's only good for about 200 HP ( 180 as it sets).

Story so far; Bigger brakes off a 91 Sentra, stock A12, 78 b210 5spd & rear end, Del Sol seats and wheels.

I'll use bigger rears with the bigger motor.

I got this car off C.List about 2 yrs ago for 500$, you guys really missed out!

Came with a truck load of spairs, 1 owner.

I had it running in 15 mins after it had sat for 6 1/2 yrs.

Now, I drive it every day and can't wiat till the motor goes in.

[Icehouse]

Fixed it :D Just hit the edit button and see what I did, that way you will know for next time :D

 

Are you putting that V8 in your 1200?

[nsr500]

I still don't have a clue what you did?, but thanks.

And yes, thats the motor going in my Datsun.

I sometimes wonder if it's a BAD THING to say suff like that on this type of site?

[ggzilla]

It's a GOOD thing to say you're putting a V8 into a Ratsun.

 

Just don't put a V8 into a $25,000 Nissan. :-)

[S@nt0s]

Hope u got the measuring tape out, I say it will be hairs away from the towers and if that clears you won't have anykind of flow flow for the custom headers you have to make...

But good luck......

[nsr500]

The side to side isn't what I'm conserned with, it's the frount to back.

The motor is a little wide but not bad.

The headers that are on it, I wont be using like that. I got those to cut up, just hung em for the pic.

I just got a set of P38's THEY fit, but if I don't like em the way they are. I'll cut the flanges off and mod the ones in the pic ( Mustang 5.0's).

The car has lots of room side to side.

 

 

And yes I do have a very big hammer.

I can and have pushed motors very far back in to cars before.

I will have to cut the fire wall, but trying to keep it to a minimum.

This has been done before, so it's no big deal......where did I put that hammer???:lol:

[datsunfreak]

I can and have pushed motors very far back in to cars before. I will have to cut the fire wall, but trying to keep it to a minimum.

 

This makes me want to cry...

 

This has been done before, so it's no big deal...

 

Any photos? Only seen these in 510s, never a 1200.

[nsr500]

Never seen it in a 1200?, thats why I'm doin it.

Sorry, I didn't save the pix of the v8 1200.

Lots of SBC and a few Fords have been done.

 

The nice thing about the Rovers is the the crank is tucked up inside the oil pan rails, like a Mopar. So you can build the pan any shape ya want. That helps a lot when your trying to keep the motor low.

I don't want to but I can move the whole fire wall back 4-6", but I rather keep it where it is. Just rework the tunnel. The 5spd I have isn't much bigger than the Dat 5spd in it now but the bellhousing is, so that where the rub comes in, so to speak. The higher I place the motor, the bigger/taller the tunnel has to be and the less chance I'll have to run a stock water pump/fan combo.

I'm trying to do the " It looks mostly stock", just a motor swap and wheels.

So I don't want to do like we did with the 74 Colt with a big block Mopar and cut it ALL up into bits. That was a Rat Fink car. 383 6 pack tunnle ram.

We shoved the engine so far back and UP the top carbs were only about 3" lower than the roof! And thats with no air filters!

Have it on , what do ya call that old stuff??, film? No Dig camera back then.

All of my crap has been some kind of weird pile of parts, why should the Datsun be any different?

This time I will take lots of pix!:D

[S@nt0s]

Good luck with it either way, but it will be a lot of hacking away at a good car.

Working in such tight space is a pain.

Not to menstion the balance of the car as a whole with that motor. I do not know the weight of the set up altogether but I'm sure its way heavier then any 4cyd set up in a 1200.

Again good luck with your project, I'm a sucking for fabrication but only in a good sense... :P

 

Also did you have plans on going with a rack and pinion? Because the steering box will be a major factor in clearance for the drivers side.

[nsr500]

The motor is just about 300lbs. About the same as a 13b Rot.

I'll only be adding about 75lbs (maybe less) to the very front ( in front of the front wheels) the rest of the added wheight will be behind the front wheels, so it like putting your budy in the car.

It will get it all, frame rails, cage, stronger rear end, the works. One step at a time. Did the 10 1/4" brakes, so I think it'll stop.

 

A12 is allmost 200lbs ( 189 I think) so the v8 is not as heavy as people think.

I can move 25-30lbs just by moving the bat to the rear.

A friend of mine did a RX7 with a Ford 5.0, Alum heads, headers, Alum rad and only added 101lbs to the total wheight of the car.

 

That pic of my bike you see there. It's a 1993 NSR250 with a 1985 RG500 4cyl square two stroke. I use to have a 250 V twin two stroke.

If I want handling?, I got that. It's 310lbs and a 110hp.

http://www.bikepics.com/members/nsrg500/

 

This car is for me and my son to ride around in and work on together.

Oh ya, the car looks better in the pix than in real life.

Just kind of a play toy for us. It's not a real prostreet car, just for fun.:D

I'm thinkin, 190-200hp, 20-25mpg on the highway and a blast to drive.

 

P.S.

Oh, and the St box, it's out of the way. The drag link is a bitch though. Had to deal with bigger issues than that before.

The brake master might give me some head scraching.

Have you seen some of the tubro set ups people fill these things with?, this will be EZ. Haveta dream big...now wheres my box of hammers? LOL!

[ggzilla]

So your all-alloy V8-powered 1200 will weight less than an SR20DET 4-cylinder turbo-powered 1200?... most interesting.

[S@nt0s]

i am not questioning you but to say that v8 is about the same as a 13b? i would have to see it myself.

and yes i have seen 1200's stuffed with all sorts

12a

13b

20b

a12

a14

2tc

3tc

and my personal has a CA18det.

 

i know about father son projects i have done a few with my old man and they are fun. just wanna point out a few things to think over before you go cutting/banging away at it.

[nsr500]

IDK, but a stock Rover 3.9L with EFI and cast exhaust, is 340lbs.

I'm running a carb for now, headers, v6 cover, 21lb flywheel and have already change some other things; better engine mounts.

If ya think about it. It's just an extra cyl head 4 more pistons, rods and a longer crank. So if ya put a top end; head, intake, exhaust and maybe 10-15lb sand bag in the front of your car. You'd have roughly the same weight over the wheels. Well maybe 20lb sad bag.

The stock EFI manifold is kinda heavy compaired the a 4bl manifold thats on it now.

Sorry this is so long, but I left it with all the info.

 

 

Engine Weight References

Alfasud flat-4 240 (2)

Alfa Romeo SOHC V6 375 (2)

AMC V8 540

(one ref showed 600)

AMC 6 500

Audi 2.0 L4 335 (2)

Audi 5 364 (2) (non-turbo)

Audi 80 1300 230 (2)

Audi 100 1500 240 (2)

Austin C-series L6 562 (2) ('56 Austin-Healey 100-6)

BL "B" L4 OHV 335 (2)

BL "E" L6 345 (2) ("complete")

BL "O" L4 OHC 298 (2)

BMW M52 3.3,3.5 Big Six 500 (2)

BMW M60 Small Six 388 (2)

BMW slant-6 turbodiesel 430

BMW 4.5L V12 607 (2)

BMW M105 Diesel 6 2.5L 430 (4)

Buick 350 450

Buick 401 685 (1) ('59 Nail Head)

Buick 430-455 V8 600 (one ref showed 640)

Buick 1963 odd-fire V6 414 (2)

Buick V6 375

Buick 3.0 V6 '85-up 350

 

 

Buick/Rover 215 V8 318

(and Olds)

Buick 1961 215 V8 324 (2)

 

Cadillac V8 390 720 (1) ('59)

Cadillac V8 472-500 625

Cadillac V-16 1,300 (2) (1931)

Cadillac 331 V8 699 (2) (1949)

Chevy Corvair flat 6 300

Chevy 1.8-2.0 L4 302 (4) "J car" pushrod

Chevy Chevette 1.6 SOHC 300 (4) (also Opel)

Chevy Vega L4 285

Chevy II 153 L4 350

Chevy L6 194-250 440

Chevy L6 292

Chevy L6 216/235 630 (2)

Chevy V6-90 229, 4.3 425

Chevy V6-60 2.8, 3.1 350 (2)

Chevy small block V8 575

(generic for '60s-'70s motors)

Chevy small block V8 535 (1) ('59 Corvette 283 w/alum. intake)

Chevy V8 348/409 620 (1)

Chevy big block V8 685

Mark IV

Chevy big block V8

Mark V

Chrysler 2.2 L4 216 (6) (bare motor)

Chrysler 413 wedge 640 (1) ('59 300-E)

Chrysler 331 Hemi 745 (5) 1955

Citroen 2.0 Douvrin 4 263

DeSoto 383 630 (1) ('59)

DeSoto V8 675 (5) (276-341 CID, '50s)

Dodge V8 645 (5) (241-325 CID, '50s)

Dodge 361 625 (1) ('59)

Edsel 361 680 (1) ('59)

Ferrari 312T 397 (2) (V12 3.0L racing engine)

Ferrari "250" V12 382 (2)

FIAT/Ferrari Dino V6 285 (2) (model 206)

FIAT/Ferrari Dino V6 296 (2) (model 246)

Ford Kent 1600

Ford Escort OHC 1600

Ford 1.3-2.0 OHC

Ford 2.3 Lima/Pinto L4 418 (2) (also 2.0, 2.5)

Ford 2.3 Lima/Pinto L4 450 (2) (turbo)

Ford Germany Taunus V4 205 (2) (and SAAB V4)

Ford England Essex V4 327

Ford Germany 2.0-2.8 V6 305

Ford England Essex V6 379 (2) (3 liter)

Ford 3.8 V6-90 351 (4) (w/start, alt, less clutch)

Ford 170-250 L6 385 (except Australian w/aluminum head)

Ford 240-300 L6

Ford flathead V8 525

Ford flathead V8 569 (1) ('53 239 CID)

Ford Cosworth DFV 353 (2) (racing engine, DOHC, 3.0L)

Ford SOHC modular V8

Ford DOHC modular V8

Ford 255 Windsor 468 (4)

Ford 289/302 V8 460

(late 5.0s are a bit lighter)

Ford BOSS 302 500

Ford 351 Cleveland 550

(includes BOSS and Australian 302-C)

Ford 351 Windsor 510

Ford Y block V8 625

(272-312 CID)

Ford FE big block 650

(332-428 CID)

Ford FE big block 670 (1) ('59 352 CID)

Ford 429/460 V8 640

Ford BOSS 429 680

(iron block, aluminum heads)

Isuzu 1.8 Diesel L4 384 (4)

Isuzu 1.8 gas L4 311 (4)

Jaguar old design 6

Jaguar new design 6

Jaguar V12 680

Lincoln 430 740 (1) ('59) (also Mercury 430)

Lotus 907 (Esprit) 275 (3) (inc. alt. & starter, no clutch)

Marmon V-16 931 (2) (1931)

Mercedes SOHC V8 alum. 452 (2)

Mercedes SOHC V8 iron 540 (2)

Mopar Slant Six 475

Mopar 273-340 "A" V8 525

Mopar 360 "A" 550

Mopar 361-383-400 V8 620 (5)

Mopar 413-426W-440 V8 670 (5)

Mopar Street Hemi 765

(690 bare)

 

Nissan 240-300Z 6

Nissan CA20 FWD 269 (4) belt cam

Nissan Z20 NAPS-Z 2.0 346 (4) RWD chain cam

Olds 215 V8 318

(same as Buick/Rover)

Olds 260 V8

Olds 304 "Rocket" V8 671 (2) first Olds V8, 1949

Olds straight-8 614 (2) '40s motor

Olds 330 J2 700

(first generation V8)

Olds 330-400 560 (5) low deck, w/accessories, no flywheel

Olds 350-403 V8

'86-up lightweight design

Olds 394 725 (1) ('59)

Olds 371, 394 760 (5)

Olds 400-455 620 (5) high deck w/accessories, no flywheel

Olds 262 V6 Diesel 590 (4) (from GM SAE paper)

Olds 260 Diesel

Olds 350 Diesel

Opel 2.8-3.0 CIH L6 395 (2)

Peugeot 204 Diesel 272

Peugeot Douvrin 2.0 4 263 (2)

Peugeot 104 1400 260 (2) includes transaxle

Pierce-Arrow V-12 1,130 (2) (1932)

Plymouth 361 640 (1) ('59)

Pontiac L4 350

Iron Duke, Tech IV

Pontiac Tempest slant 4 470

Pontiac SOHC 6 450

Pontiac 389 V8 650

Pontiac 389 V8 590 (1) ('59)

Porsche 4.7 SOHC V8 574

Porsche 901 6 401 (2) (1963)

Rambler 327 V8 600

Rambler 327 V8 670 (1) ('59)

 

Rover 3500 V8 318

(same as Buick)

 

Rover 3.0 SOHC L6 432 (2)

Renault 2.0 4 Douvrin 263 (2)

Renault 2.8 V6 375 (2) (also DeLorean, Peugeot, Volvo)

Renault EF-1 395 (2) (racing version of P-R-V V6)

SAAB V4-60 206 (2) (also Taunus, Ford)

SAAB slant-4 290 (2) (also Triumph)

Studebaker 289 650

Triumph 2, 2.2 L4

 

[TR2-4]

Triumph slant-4 290 (2) (also SAAB 99) [TR7]

Triumph 2, 2.5 L6 403 (2) [TR6, GT6]

Triumph Spitfire/Herald

Triumph Stag V8 446

VW flat-4 air cooled 200

VW flat-4 water cooled

VW inline 4

Rabbit/Golf

[confusion]

looks like fun but i dont think i could bring myself to cut the car man

[nsr500]

If it was a rare car of some sort, I wouldn't.

It's just a Datsun.:lol:

 

I feel the same as you, but in a different way; I can't bring myself to do the same thing as everyone else.

[S@nt0s]

1200's are on the rare side even being a datsun/ 510 are very hard to find nowadays and 1200's are even harder.

and being like everyone else? there arent many building 1200's in the U.S so you arent being like anyone really. :P

[nsr500]

It's kinda funny, cuz this car sat on C.List for 6 weeks and only one call.

He was only asking 600$ ( I got it for 500$) It's a one owner car and came with a truck load of spares.

He listed it as a 110, I didn't even know what that was at the time.:confused:

[shane_lxi]

zomg lucky deal! My brother would kill for it. I dont think theres anything wrong with cutting in if you dont fuck it up. But dont just go in thinking, "it's just a datsun", those cars are cool and pretty rare. I know where there is a s110 you can destroy if that's your mindset, I'll trade you!! Nobody works on those!

[nsr500]

I was just being a smart ass.

I know the cars are hard to find. I guess mine will be the only one running around hear with a v8?:D

 

It wont be a hack job. I'll onlt CUT what I have to.

I want the car to look intact, or to uninformed it will.

It will be mostly the fire wall and tunnel and I want to try and use the part of the fire wall I cut out. I just want to push it back so it's still there.

But down behind the motor will be all fresh sheet metal.

The cross member will be cut and rebuilt so it goes forward of the oil pan.

I have an extra block and heads ( block is only 75lbs) after I get the block in the bay. Then I'll know for sure what is going to take.

It just all depends on how much of the stock cooling system I wont to use; water pump, fan and so on.

[ggzilla]

Cut it man. I put 1200s into the crusher ... and I'm not apologizing

Save one 1200. WE... ARE... RATSUN

[az_rat210]

Pretty little 1200.

 

Any details on what you did for the conversion to 91 Sentra brakes? And are you selling the 5 speed when you pull it?