dave71 Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 I was watching the history chnl. and een a few hot rods and ratrod.....So the dream began what if i go score a 620 non running project and chopped the front clip off put a V-8 in it and set it up w/a partial hood w/the open sides and take the bed off and put a wood stake bed on it like the trucks back in the 20's and 30's....was looking for a 620 model and a hot rod model the same scale and try it out before going full scale..... Has anyone tried this or have any ideas or any reasons why it might not work? Quote Link to comment
Zeusimo Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Ideas? A 620 Ratted, Bagged, Fender Exhaust Pipes, And Widened By 2 Feet :hyper: Quote Link to comment
bob72gts Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 I was watching the history chnl. and een a few hot rods and ratrod.....So the dream began what if i go score a 620 non running project and chopped the front clip off put a V-8 in it and set it up w/a partial hood w/the open sides and take the bed off and put a wood stake bed on it like the trucks back in the 20's and 30's....was looking for a 620 model and a hot rod model the same scale and try it out before going full scale..... Has anyone tried this or have any ideas or any reasons why it might not work? Would you use a drop straight axle with radius arms and a buggy spring in front of the radiator or the stock suspension? I think it would be cooler with the straight axle, but less complicated with the stock suspension. Of course if using the stock suspension I would want to slide the cab back about 6" on the frame, so there goes the "less complicated" part. Either way........DO IT Quote Link to comment
dave71 Posted February 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 well wasn't thinking bout moving cab back...... but the straight axle like an old gasser wold cost a li'l bit and being a ratsun member the cheaper is better plus easier is better also :lol: a 720 steering column might be a li'l longer than a 620 maybe not sure....but if it is would take care of the complication of pushing the cab back.... no bagging or widening......but if it works out i might make one into a t-bucket style Quote Link to comment
dave71 Posted February 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 as far as exhaust haven't decided between the lake pipes or stacks....plan to use the extra 521 front bumper i got also... may search the old j/y up the road he has cars n trucks from the 30's and 40's....see bout the hood n grille Quote Link to comment
bob72gts Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 One of mine. Mostly free, junkyard, or modified stock parts from several manufacturers. A little inspiration? I had thought about narrowing the stock bed so the tires would hang out, but I removed the rear cab wall and front bed wall. Now my head and shoulders are in the bed when I drive it. If I was starting over....... I would start with a KC Take off the roof Narrow the bed instead of the frame, let the tires hang out Dropped straight axle Move the cab back Use a taper cut 240-280z hood to cover a triple carbed L series with a Zoomie header hangin out the side of the hood (gonna be a bitch adjusting those carbs) AAAAAHHHHHHHHH SHIT!!!! I just realized I have alot of that stuff laying around. One more project, here I go. Quote Link to comment
dave71 Posted February 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 lol...ain't that how it goes lmao....... well i'm looking at ditching the front clip completely and set it up like a roadster w/just a hood no fenders,the roof will stay on lol...the bed you want is easy to make unbolt the sides and keep the bed floor and get some gauge steel plte and weld or bolt it together Quote Link to comment
fisch Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 It is tough to pull off a fenderless modern (Post 30's) hotrod. The issue I find is the firewall is just too wide. The fenderless rods generally had a tapered body or certainly a sexy cowl. Here is one I tried to pull off on a 521 (Photoshop). They can look ok from the side, but in a 3/4 or front shot they loose the flowjo. If I ever get another '59 I will make a fenderless version, but the plan in my head is to graft on the cowl/firewall from from a pre-war car. 1 Quote Link to comment
dave71 Posted February 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 :blink: wow the is freaking gorgeous so you just popped that together on the comp?? I get what your saying bout the firewall but wouldn't a hood and open sides like '32 ford has to detract from the block style firewall..... I'm still GEEKING OUT over that pic......but that is so close to what i want to do........ Quote Link to comment
fisch Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 :blink: wow the is freaking gorgeous so you just popped that together on the comp?? I get what your saying bout the firewall but wouldn't a hood and open sides like '32 ford has to detract from the block style firewall..... I'm still GEEKING OUT over that pic......but that is so close to what i want to do........ Thanks! I am a pro illustrator so I have a little practice! :D I think it would take a lot of work to get the lines to flow right. But I am certainly up for seeing someone try it. :) I think your best bet would be the Datsun 320 though (Or a 1959 Datsun!). But I think the cab would have to be moved back on the frame. The other thing you will notice about the 30's stuff is that doors had sheetmetal in front of them before the hood starts. And the doors are flush with that cowl. On the Datsun your door ends at the fender body seam. So if you take off the fender you will have a weird gap/step at the front of the door and it won't blend. The other thing is that if you take a hood and taper it from the width of your firewall to the narrowness of the 30's front grill, it will be a huge wedge. If you look at the photo below you can see how important that the depth of the tapering cowl/firewall is to the flow of the car. Maybe if you could use just the back scant inches of the fender (before the wheel opening) and pinch and retaper it so it started to angle in from the door? The reason it kinda works in my photochop is because you are seeing the car totally from the side. From the front or 3/4 would be a different story. Quote Link to comment
521 Johnny Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 this one isnt too bad, it still has fenders but too much motor sticking out Quote Link to comment
Peter_Pablo Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 awesome dude it´s look like and real RAT beautifullll Quote Link to comment
dave71 Posted February 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 i've been thinking bout that step since i saw that pic u posted last night...i was thinking cutting a beat up fender a li'l longer than that step taper it towards the edge of the firewall and weld it...that should help w/the flow as far as that part goes.....found a 520 a 521 but no 620 to rat out yet...... Quote Link to comment
erichwaslike Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 this one isnt too bad, it still has fenders but too much motor sticking out u sir have joined a very prestigious club of ppl that have decided to let others know that they think that truck is cool despite the complete hatred by everyone else on this site. and im not trying to talk shit cause i said it was cool awhile ago lol Quote Link to comment
fisch Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 What you are saying about the fender is what I was trying to suggest in the post above. It would take alot of hammering to get it to flow, but would be the best shot I'd think. If you will notice, the model T had a bit of a step in at the cowl, and it still works even though it isn't smooth all the way down. But also notice how the cowl tapers from top to bottom too. And that taper is echoed in the cab itself. Pinches at bottom front corner of the doors. So even though there is a step the taper is echoed in both pieces. If you could pinch the bottom of the 620 cab somehow, then graft of a T or A cowl, you might get something? The best example I have seen so far is the Toyota hotrod that has gotten so much press. Notice they kept a 2 headlight grill up front, and the the doors blend well. Now their job was made easier because the FJ45 had external, not flush, fenders so the hood already tapered. Examples where I applaud teh effort, but am not sure about the results... This will give you a preview of how partial 620 fenders would look. Cool from side I'd bet, but questionable from other angles. Quote Link to comment
dave71 Posted February 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 still thinking how to pull this off and have it look good no matter the angle......oh this will happen oh yes this will happen:cool: Quote Link to comment
Aaron Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Not a datsun but this guy had the same kind of idea http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/ram-rod-30s-style-modern-high-boy-pickup-160512.html Quote Link to comment
Abe Froman Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 You forgot this, Quote Link to comment
Madness Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 On a 521 it would be pretty much impossible unless you modified the doors or the fenders to make the doors stick out less... or something here's my buddys body dropped 620 without all the front end sheet metal. Its a little more possible with the 620 Quote Link to comment
fisch Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 You forgot this, Indeed! Another one that isn't quite working for me. I think it is very well executed. Nothing about it is half assed. But it looks like an incomplete vehicle. Like he is just testing it before he puts the fenders back on. But maybe this is the way folks felt years ago when first looking at fenderless hotrods. Maybe they looked like they were missing something too. Is it only after years of us seeing them fenderless that we accept it as a finished look? IDK. Still not feeling the flojo. But it is a bad ass car! Quote Link to comment
Rhapakatui Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Fenderless is illegal in Texas. There's a law about how much tires can stick out past the fender wall. However I did consider at one point tapering the front end with sheet metal and running trailer fenders up front. Not going to, but my track width is going way up because of the suspension swap so I was weighing possible solutions to the tire sticking out problem. Quote Link to comment
fisch Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Lots of states have fender laws. which is why traditional hot rod guys run little motorcycle fenders some times!In my state, MA, any car post 1949 has to have fenders. IDK guys, here is another version where it just isn't working! I fear a 620 would wind up like this. (And cycle fenders too!) Quote Link to comment
Rhapakatui Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 That one reminds me of those front clip swapped atrocities in a thread a while back. The front end is way too long, the color is terrible, and if you do this sort of mod, you have to mod the whole truck not just the front clip. Quote Link to comment
dave71 Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 i don't think we have the fender law here in ak...i've seen a guy driving a minivan w/out doors lol another car w/out a hood and some w/out a bed on it.......that mod needs to be more refined and a diff color that's for damn sure lmao 1 Quote Link to comment
Madness Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Im sorry to say it guys but i think the bug is the only post war car you can rod out... Quote Link to comment
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