Gearheadcurt Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 I've been wanting to get into drifting for a while now, but couldnt find the right car, I would like to have a s13 but... well... everyone else has one then it came to me, my 620! my question to ya'll is, what options do I have as far as this truck goes? is the chad copeland suspension conversion the only option? has anyone ever drifted their truck? I already know that I'm going to need a different motor, I'm mainly concerned with the suspension deal and yes Chad's truck has inspired me to look into this, and yes his truck also inspired me to buy mine in the first place Quote Link to comment
Guest DatsuNoob Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 I used to drift my truck all the time. Certain vehicles do it better than others but whatever, go for it if that's what you wanna do. Of course you dont have to build a Chad Copeland truck (even though it's a very nice truck). More than one way to skin a cat. Start out by doing your homework on how 4 link susp works, trailing arm lengths and angularity and how they affect your handling. Soak up as much knowledge on 4 link as possible, there's alot to know and tons out there to read! Then you can weigh 4 link/solid axle against the IRS set-up and decide. Although I'm stoked on Chad's build and have nothing bad to say about any of it, personally I would choose a 4 link and solid axle cause it's a truck and I think trucks should have something in the bed once in a while but would still like to rip up some corners when shes empty. Quote Link to comment
]2eDeYe Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Weld up the rear and buy a few extra sets of rear tires. :D Quote Link to comment
hessianben Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 You have the right idea: low, stiff, minimized body roll, and a limited slip rear.... all should come before going for big engine power. If you don't have the funds to do a full on 4 link properly right now, you can start yourself on the right path by setting up a stiff leaf setup.. dont' use drop blocks! http://infamousnissan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8093 rear sway bar is crucial: http://infamousnissan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4108 limited slip rear from a pathfinder: http://infamousnissan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13140 I also am running Nitro2 Drop Shocks all around, upgraded spring rate torsion bars, and poly bushings, as well as redrilled leaf hangers. I have power upgrades also, but that is less important than the suspension. Get started! it's not that hard and doesn't have to be expensive! Then, you can go practice,practice,practice... and don't go so fast you smash your stuff! http://infamousnissan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11651&page=2 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 my question to ya'll is, what options do I have as far as this truck goes? is the chad copeland suspension conversion the only option? I thought we covered this before. Chads project, while a stunning execution of an IRS suspension, isn't needed where you want to maximise oversteer. You can do this with an LSD and suspension tweaks on what you have. Welding the diff isn't advised for use on the street. Quote Link to comment
Gearheadcurt Posted January 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 well this truck will be a just drift project, I havent looked into 4 link yet and ya I do plan to weld the diff, and my L20 is not an engine that I would even consider to drift what about the front suspension? is it fine the way it is? Quote Link to comment
Gearheadcurt Posted January 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 oh ya, where in the world do I buy sway bars and leaf springs for this truck? Quote Link to comment
]2eDeYe Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 and my L20 is not an engine that I would even consider to drift Why not? It will make enough power to get the wheels spinning and it has the high rpms (7000 rpm redline) you'd need to keep them spinning. Plus it's already in the truck and they are plenty reliable. Quote Link to comment
Gearheadcurt Posted January 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 well she is an auto at the moment, so I'll have to swap that at some point and the motor burns oil and idk I'll consider it, but where will I be able to find the suspension parts I will need? Quote Link to comment
]2eDeYe Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Sway bars http://www.addco.net/ Quote Link to comment
Gearheadcurt Posted January 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 thanks, Quote Link to comment
Gearheadcurt Posted January 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 what about springs? Quote Link to comment
]2eDeYe Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 I would probably just have the stock ones re-arched by a local spring company for the drop you are looking for. Quote Link to comment
Gearheadcurt Posted January 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 ok, thats good news, Quote Link to comment
hessianben Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 just keep in mind- there are hardly any ready-made parts out there for doing what you want to do. you're going to be doing a lot of research, measuring, cutting, welding, ect... to get it done properly. there is no 'parts list' but if you take each component one at a time, and ask the right questions, you'll be on the right path. to answer your question about the front suspension: you have a torsion bar front suspension, which is easy to raise and lower, but is not really stiff enough for race/drift driving. you can upgrade to coilovers, but this will require an experienced welder to extend and reinforce your spring perches, as well as trim and reinforce your upper control arms. you can also mitigate body roll by upgrading the front sway bar (no existing parts that I know of, but you may be able to modify one from another truck) and adding a rear sway bar (which are made for your application) as far as welding your differential: if you are going to drive the truck on the street EVER, DO NOT WELD YOUR DIFF. if the welds fail, locking up the rear tires while you are traveling at speed, you will probably kill yourself and others. If you weld it, STAY OFF THE ROAD. There are quite a few LSD options for nissans, and they will give you better results overall. Quote Link to comment
Gearheadcurt Posted January 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 to answer your question about the front suspension: you have a torsion bar front suspension, which is easy to raise and lower, but is not really stiff enough for race/drift driving. you can upgrade to coilovers, but this will require an experienced welder to extend and reinforce your spring perches, as well as trim and reinforce your upper control arms. you can also mitigate body roll by upgrading the front sway bar (no existing parts that I know of, but you may be able to modify one from another truck) and adding a rear sway bar (which are made for your application) hey didnt you mention you had upgraded spring rate torsion bars on your truck? how stiff are they? Quote Link to comment
RedSquare Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 ...as far as welding your differential: if you are going to drive the truck on the street EVER, DO NOT WELD YOUR DIFF. if the welds fail, locking up the rear tires while you are traveling at speed, you will probably kill yourself and others. If you weld it, STAY OFF THE ROAD. There are quite a few LSD options for nissans, and they will give you better results overall. I totally agree. If you're too broke or lazy to do something the right way, don't do it at all. " Ain't no half steppin' " Quote Link to comment
hessianben Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 hey didnt you mention you had upgraded spring rate torsion bars on your truck? how stiff are they? yeah, on my frontier, i upgraded to some 4x4 30% stiffer torsions by Sway-a-way i think? sourced as a nismo part... they are a little stiffer, but could be more so... i don't know if there are any avail for the older datto trucks. Quote Link to comment
ariascarlos1990 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 If I where you I would rip out all the torsion and do coilovers. http://community.ratsun.net/topic/19942-new-project-at-my-house/ Quote Link to comment
hessianben Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 If I where you I would rip out all the torsion and do coilovers. That would be the correct route. Check out PesjaHB's build on here somewhere... Quote Link to comment
]2eDeYe Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 as far as welding your differential: if you are going to drive the truck on the street EVER, DO NOT WELD YOUR DIFF. if the welds fail, locking up the rear tires while you are traveling at speed, you will probably kill yourself and others. If you weld it, STAY OFF THE ROAD. There are quite a few LSD options for nissans, and they will give you better results overall. Wow, I know quite a few people with welded diffs, none of which have failed. I also have had a stock open diff break and lock up on me at speed. No one died....I will say you should know what you are doing when/if you weld it up, or have someone that knows what they are doing do it for you. There are also no more LSD's manufactured for the H190 diff, I have been trying to source one for a couple years now. Quote Link to comment
Gearheadcurt Posted January 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 How far can I get by just stiffening the truck up? I have a place for sway bars, How tough is the rear end in the truck? I also know people in both drag and drift cultures that have welded diffs never heard of any of them failing but to easy any fears I this will be a drift only truck Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 well she is an auto at the moment WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a L20 manual cam/siddrafts with a welded will work al least in the neiborhood. ask yourself can you change a headgasket on a L motor. If not then all above thread will never happen Even Redeye had to get the master Savior Jeff Hino to get his truck going.(Lucky for us he is local) Quote Link to comment
Gearheadcurt Posted January 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Yes I've already done some motor work to it, but I haven't found a manual to get It has a 485 lift cam and weber carb on a offenisour intake I guess that power will be realized when I swap it Quote Link to comment
GOLSETH Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 not going to lie... i want to slide my 620 bad too! needs more powa!!! and an LSD for sure! looking forward to see what you do Quote Link to comment
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