Docsis510 Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 So I bought this Trannybutim not shure if its realy a dogleg. the only numbers i see are 63a#1 and 63a#2. i dont know where to look for the transmission serial number unless this are it.also would the clutch on my 4 speed and my bearing fit the dogleg tranny?? Quote Link to comment
LenRobertson Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 On this thread: http://forum.ratsun.net/showthread.php?t=2373 go down to post #15. The pics show a dogleg compared w. other trannys. The "smooth" case and bell housing is a good indication of a DL. Also, the overall length of the DL case should be about 26 1/2". If it's 31", it isn't a DL. Finally, if you can shift it all the way to the left and forward, that will be reverse on a DL. Turn the input shaft, and the output shaft will turn opposite direction. Len Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 (edited) Len I could not have said it better. Are those your tranny pix??? I have used them several times, (many times) to explain something. They are excellent, thank you. The #1 and #2 is likely a casting revision and the 63a does not prove it isn't! The dog leg is called an FS5W63 and is 26" long. Edited March 14, 2009 by datzenmike Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 I thought all 63-series 5-speeds are doglegs ??? Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Far as I know. The FS5W63 was also used on N.A. B-210s Quote Link to comment
LenRobertson Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 datzenmike - Yeah, those are pics I posted. I was a little surprised they were still up. My wife has them hosted somewhere. Use them any time they might help somebody. I keep wanting to re-shoot with better backgrounds and lighting. And no snow! Man, I'm sick of seeing snow. There is even a chance of more snow today or tonight here in the wilds of E. WA. As to the clutch question, I'm pretty sure the itself clutch will work fine. However, there are differences in the sleeve the throwout bearing rides on. I recall the rule is to use the sleeve that matches your clutch, which may not be the length of the one installed on a trans you are sticking in. I think this comes up when switching to 280Z 5-speed. I suspect a stock 4-speed and a dogleg use the same sleeve. But someone correct me if I'm wrong. Would placing a straight edge across the face of the bell housing and measuring back to the front of the throwout bearing assure the sleeve is correct? It seems to me if the distance was the same for two trannys, the sleeve would be the same. Len Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 It's usually based on if you have a 200, 225 or 240mm clutch & PP. This would imply that there are only 3 sizes. Here's an old chart showing multiple housings and they are all for the 200mm clutch.:http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q251/datzenmike/Tranny/clutch_replacement_figures.jpg[/img]"] Looks like the first is for L16, then L18 and L20B, then Z20. The last one is for??? Pulsar/Sentra something small? This chart implies that there are four different heights from the diaphragm fingers down to the flywheel surface. After all you would expect a 200mm clutch from an L20B to be stronger than one from an L16. Quote Link to comment
Docsis510 Posted March 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 I saw your pics on the other thread. the tranny i got looks like the tranny in your middle pic. it even has the little pipe that sticks out in the top. where would the s/n be located in the tranny? i went through the gears and seems that it has 5. the guy that sold it to me kept the throwout bearing. my friend took the tranny to his shop to pressure wash it but when i get it back i'll take pictures for you guys to see. Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 where would the s/n be located in the tranny?On the very top of the bellhousing flange. You might be able to see if through the engine compartment, but probably not. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 (edited) Can anyone make sense of the serial number.. anyway? As I understand it, it tells the month and year of manufacture only. Could be from a 200sx, maybe. Docsis510... post a picture(s)!!!! Edited March 14, 2009 by datzenmike Quote Link to comment
Docsis510 Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) ok so heres some picss of the tranny. the only numbers on the bellhousing flange are 5z7 the rest are grounded off. Edited March 19, 2009 by Docsis510 Quote Link to comment
jefe de jefes Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Looks like my dogleg trannys. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Well my Ovaltine decoder ring says it was made in January of 1975. That's the build date of the tranny not the car so there could be a year or so difference. I suppose that works as it predates the '77 200sx by only a year. May have been in use earlier in Japan?? Quote Link to comment
Docsis510 Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 you guys think that a racing clutch from a 280z would work on this tranny. in tijuana they can rebuild the original clutch and make it half bronze and half copper but i thought it would be better to get a performance 280z one. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 The tranny has no say in what clutch you want to put in it. ANY L series clutch made that will bolt to any L flywheel is going to fit any L series tranny. Quote Link to comment
Docsis510 Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 do you guys know what this tranny is? 5y05517 its on an L-20b Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Again, my Ovaltine decoder ring says it was made in October of 1975. This is the probable build date and does not indicate what vehicle it was installed in, nor what gears are in it, nor does it indicate the type of tranny. If you had a '78 620 then this would indicate that maybe the original tranny was swapped out for this slightly older '75 tranny. Again if an L 5spd build date was in '81 then it could only have been from an L24E or an L28. The build date doesn't tell the whole story but if you do some detective work you can narrow down what it was originally in. Over the years trannys have been swapped all over the place. Quote Link to comment
Docsis510 Posted March 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 ok sorry. the only reason i was asking for the second s/n was becauseiwentto the junk yard and found an L-20 and a tranny with that serial number. i wanted to post a thread so that someone couldgo buy it. Quote Link to comment
rusty510 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 this bell housing isnt smooth, but i was told it was a dogleg: im going to be pissed if it isnt.......:mad: Quote Link to comment
bonvo Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 this bell housing isnt smooth, but i was told it was a dogleg: im going to be pissed if it isnt.......:mad: yours looks like a long tail out of a z car Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) Sorry that's not a dogleg FS5W63 at all. It's an FS5W71B. Measure the length.. that's 31.5" long. The '77-'79 200sx L series dogleg was 26" same as the PL510. There was an L series tail dogleg used in the '79-'80 HLA10 (510) but that ain't it. The dogleg has a smooth 'bell' and non-ribbed front case. Rusty, this might not be the only bad news... now, it's hard to see from that angle but it looks like Z series engine bolt pattern. Could be wrong but if you want to be sure post a picture of the top two engine mounting bolt holes and a shot of the tail stock including the shifter mount. (passenger side) Edited April 14, 2009 by datzenmike Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Yes, the 1978-1982 Datsun 510 (A10) had a FS5W63 or F4W63, 63-series transmissions for L16 engine. These are lighter than the 71-series transmissions. Mike, do you have any more length measurements for various Datsun transmissions? Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) Yup it was an option, fairly rare and a long tail so won't fit the PL. Available only on the 2dr hatchback up till 06'79 but not in Canada from now on. Available from 07'79-06'80 on 2dr. sedan, 4 dr. hatchback and wagon . Available from 07'80 and up in the 4dr. hatchback only. Yes they (FS5W63) are lighter, (10-15 lb) and in how much punishment they will take as well. Still an OK tranny meant for 2 liter and under motors. Most '68-86.5 Nissan L and Z series standard trannys fall into two different lengths: short tail 26.3" and 31.5" Most I believe are within 1/4" if these measurements. Short: F4W63 used on '68-'73 510 L series FS5W63 dogleg used on '77-'79 200sx L series FS5W71B used on 720 long wheelbase 4X4s (not sure) Z series but may have had an L series in '80 only. Long: F4W63 used on 520/521 from '65 with J and L series '78-'81 HLA10 L and Z series '73-'75 610 L series '74-'77 710, L series '06'72-'09'73 620 L series FS5W63 dogleg used on '79-'81 HLA10 optional L and Z series F4W71A used on early '70-'71 240Z F4W71B used on '73-'78 240/260/280Z 10'73-'80 620 L series '78 -? 810 L series '80-'86.5 720 L and Z series FS5W71B '77-'79 620 L series '77-'83 280z/zx L series '78-'84 810/Maxima L series '80-'86.5 720 L and Z series '80-'83 200sx Z series '84-'86.5 200sx CA series I may have transposed a number so if you see something out of place let me know and I will take a look. Edited March 22, 2009 by datzenmike Quote Link to comment
comply Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Put the transmission in 1st, then spin the front shaft. if the back spins the opposite direction, it's a dogleg :D Quote Link to comment
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