S.osolit13 Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 i need help figuring out if this guys is telling the truth its not a datsun motor but its a ford i know its a datsun site but yall are nice haha but anyways this guy is telling me he has a 351 cleveland i asked him already how many bolts are holding the valve covers on and he said 8 and sent me a pic of it and thats the truth but both the 351c and 351m have 8 bolts holding the intake i asked for the casting number on the block and he sent me the intake number ( i think ) witch is 18726548 and when i looked that up all i got was people saying thats a intake off a windsor he also sent me these pics any help would be greatly appriciated Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 I think that's the firing order. :lol: The Cleavland has a 90 degree bend on the rad hose... The Windsor comes out straight... Back in '71 I never raced against a 351 Windsor, even once. Every dick that has a ford said it was a Cleavland. Some were faster that others so they might have been Cleavlands, maybe. I never lost to a Ford. 1 Quote Link to comment
510freak Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 What you really want to know if its a 351c,is it a 4 bolt main 1 Quote Link to comment
510freak Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Did a quick search http://diyford.com/ford-351-cleveland-engines-block-identification-guide/ 1 Quote Link to comment
S.osolit13 Posted September 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Ok so it'f it's a 2 bolt main and has a 90 degree bend for the rad hose it's a Cleveland if it's a 4 bolt main and a straight rad hose it's not? 1 Quote Link to comment
510freak Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Thats the tricky part. Tear down has to confirm.Nothing shows if its a 4 bolt(cast number)that I have found 1 Quote Link to comment
S.osolit13 Posted September 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Hmm well I'll go by the rad hose then and hope I get lucky haha thanks tho guys! 1 Quote Link to comment
DanielC Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 If it is a four bolt main bearing Cleveland, it might be worth something. Two bolt mains clevelands are not really desirable. There are more aftermarket hi performance parts for a Windsor anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 There is an alpha numerical code on the intake some where ,, it will start with D maybe followed by a 1. 2. or 3 .. The D stands for 70s and the number is the year ... It could also be a 351M or 400M and they suck as they are prone to cracking,, alot. IF it was a true 4 bolt main 4V type engine it would either have a cast iron 4 barrel intake from the factory ( no exceptions) and gigantic exhaust ports,,, and when i say gigantic,,, they are at least as big as a 429/460 .,, WAY bigger than 2bbl heads, I couldn't imagine someone swaping heads and intake off a 2 BBL engine onto a 4bolt main engine,,,,,,,,,,, BUT to fool people into paying big bucks for a 2 bolt engine i have seen the opposite,, but those heads and intakes have been nearly impossible to find for many years so that is unlikely. Buyer beware 2 Quote Link to comment
Fat510 Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 That isn't a windsor, the exhaust bolts aren't horizontal and Windsor is 6 bolt. 351C/351M/400 are 8 bolt. Have your guy measure the intake valley, if it's wider than 6 31/32" it's not a Cleveland. 1 Quote Link to comment
S.osolit13 Posted September 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Ok I'll ask him the motors apparently a 2 bolt main with a 2 barrel intake I just asked were the rad hose comes out of and I'll ask him to measure the intake then thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment
S.osolit13 Posted September 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Do u guys know if 2 bolt mains and a 2 barrel intake on a 351c is worth anything? 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 It's a larger displacement than your 302 and will have more pulling power and that's about it. I think the early Cleavland were 2 bolt and changed to 4 the next year but if you have 4 bolt rods a shop can drill the block out to take them. If it came with a 2bbl it probably wasn't very high hp and was likely single exhaust too. 1 Quote Link to comment
S.osolit13 Posted September 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Yeah I don't think it would fit in the Datsun plus it's all stock but I have a 74 olds 455 that needs to be rebuilt that the guy wants to trade me for I was thinking since it's a Cleveland those are usually worth abit of money plus it's a ford more people wanting them then a newer olds 455 that needs a rebuild 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 It will fit the Z. Does it fit the 302 transmission? If so get rid of the 455 boat anchor. 1 Quote Link to comment
S.osolit13 Posted September 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 It should match up to the tranny but I was gonna sell it and put the money towards the car but I could hold onto it and build it but it would be a pretty tight squeeze with headers 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 It's a 2bbl headers don't matter. 1 Quote Link to comment
S.osolit13 Posted September 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Well I wouldn't put it in right now I'd build it up abit first if I were to pull the 302 to put that in but we'll see Idk what the better option would be 1 Quote Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 I wouldn't use it ,, JUST because it bolts to tranny. I used them in paved circle track racing cuz they seemed to have more "grunt" than a 351 windsor ( 1990s no internets "engine calculators" seat of pants guessing) ,, and quite a bit more than a 302 ,, but it was hard .. expensive,, to find parts for even back then.... I would find a 87 or newer cheap truck 5.0 .. It is lighter and will spin up much faster because of the roller cam... The stock 289/302 carb intake bolts on with no modification at all... You need to use flywheel or flex plate balanced to the 5.0 though as the 302/289 on is balanced different,, but Summit sells flex plates for that for like $40. bucks 1 Quote Link to comment
S.osolit13 Posted September 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 Ok my main focus if I get the engine is just to sell it cause I think it's easier to sell than the 455 olds and could be worth more I wouldn't use it unless my 302 blew up but that won't happen for awhile ( I hope ) 1 Quote Link to comment
S.osolit13 Posted September 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 What do u guys think I should do sell the 455 for 300$ or trade for the 351c 2 bolt main with a 2 barrel also apparently needs a new piston and rod in the first cylinder but the 455 also needs a full rebuild Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Neither is worth the time or bother. Forget about both. Quote Link to comment
S.osolit13 Posted September 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 I already own the 455 so I should just sell it then Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Can't see you needing it. Up to you but we tend to hang onto things that we don't need and just can't see that.. Quote Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 What do u guys think I should do sell the 455 for 300$ or trade for the 351c 2 bolt main with a 2 barrel also apparently needs a new piston and rod in the first cylinder but the 455 also needs a full rebuild I love clevelands but they are expensive when they break , and that one is broken already... i would find old car forums ie. The HAMB or oldsmobile forum and put the 455 in their classifieds as i think trading for the 351 is a bad deal for you.. Tread lightly in those old hot rod forums as most they are crusty pricks looking for someone to complain about.. BUT most are also older guys willing and able to pay full bore for what they want. Quote Link to comment
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