starter not engaging with flywheel "help"

[mytoy521]

I like the idea, but aren't these similar to the Kryptonite locks you can open with a Bic pen? The ones that Kryponite spent a whole lot of money to send out free replacements for? I know those were Ace brand tubular locks, but these don't seem any different. Does anyone know if they are?

 

Andrew

[mytoy521]

woops, morning ratsun bros. i have an issue, its a 71 pl521. my son and i pulled out the tired 1600 a few days ago.ThE 1600 was running great with the 5 speed in it, but we bought a Z22 we already had a U67 head for it with a set of SU'S. So we made it pretty and put it together nothING special,(SOIRRY ABOUT THE CAPS SOMTHINGS FISHY WITH MY TABLET/ ITS NOT CAP LOCK KEY) WELL ITS ALL ABOUT QUALITY TIME WITH MY BOY. IPUT IN THE FLYWHEEL FROM A L20 AND A Z CLUTCH KIT. WE BOLTED EVERYTHING TOGHETHER PUT IT IN TRIED TO START IT BUT THE STARTER SOUNDED WEIRD A HORRIBLE GRINDING SOUND SO WE PULLED THE STARTER OUT AND PUT IN ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS MYBACK UPSTARTER. AND STILL THE SAME PROBLEMO. MYQUETION IS THAT SINCE I PUT IN A Z22 DO I NEED A DIFFRENT STARTER WITH A DEEPER STRIKER GEAR LOOKING THING THAT ENGAGES WITH THE FLYWHEEL? WHEN I PULLED OUT THE STARTER IT LOOKS LIKE ONLY A 1/4 OF THE FLYWHEEL AND STARTER ARE ENGAGING THE MOTOR KINDATURNS BUT

NOT REALLY. PLEAS SHOOT ME YOUR ADVICE THANK YOU ALL, HAVE A GREATDAY( SORRY FOR THE CARS IM NOT YIELLING) GRACIAS

[ggzilla]

Z22 with L16 flywheel -- should the L16 starter work correctly with this combination?

[datzenmike]

He said a flywheel from an L20(B).... All L20B/L24/L26/L28/Z20/Z22/Z24 flywheels will swap.

 

 

Was the Z22 motor an automatic?????

[banzai510(hainz)]

try a 280zx gear reduction that fits everything for sure. as it has no end on them.

 

hope you put the right T/O bearing collar on there hope from a 620 truck clollar or a Car. the diaphrame heights are different from the L16 clutch to the L20 truck flywheel.

As one might have cluth throw proplems at the slave cylinder

[mytoy521]

Mr.King Rat & Mr.Hains thanks for your response. The Z motor came out of a 84sh 720 manual truck. Do you guys think iput on the wrong flywheel? At the time of mating the tranny and Z motor there were no fitting isues at all. The clutch kit was compete i did have to take of the collar from the old T/O to new one. thanks again for for your response. Hope to hear from you again.

[mytoy521]

Mr.Hians im dont fallow you on the ger reduction answer. can you please axplain a little mas? We are kinda noobbeess, my son and i

[MikeRL411]

Mr.Hians im dont fallow you on the ger reduction answer. can you please axplain a little mas? We are kinda noobbeess, my son and i

Spanglish no! English yes!

[ggzilla]

I doubt if that will fix it.

 

What I would do is turn the crankshaft away from TDC and then see if the starter works without grinding. It's not uncommon to have a bad spot on a flywheel which causes grinding noise. If it works fine after turning, the flywheel/ring-gear is bad.

[ggzilla]

These use the same flywheel

 

Direct-drive starter (traditional type) for Datsun 510

 

Reduction gear starter for Datsun 510 - for ultra-cold climates

[datzenmike]

The reason for the automatic question is that there is a spacer on the end of the crankshafts if running an automatic. I doubt that a flywheel will fit properly if the spacer is left on but if it was done it would space the flywheel away from the starter, maybe 1/8" or so.

 

Other than the weight and the bolt pattern for the different diameter pressure plates the L and Z series flywheels are the same.

 

Do you remember dropping the flywheel prior to installing it???

[mytoy521]

The reason for the automatic question is that there is a spacer on the end of the crankshafts if running an automatic. I doubt that a flywheel will fit properly if the spacer is left on but if it was done it would space the flywheel away from the starter, maybe 1/8" or so.

 

Other than the weight and the bolt pattern for the different diameter pressure plates the L and Z series flywheels are the same.

 

Do you remember dropping the flywheel prior to installing it???

[ggzilla]

And your response is ... ?

[mytoy521]

Thanks again Mr.Mike for your response,I dont remember dropping or beating the flywheel.Im thinking about dropping the tranny again and comparing it to a another L20 flywheel. Do you think that Z noted above will work?

[ggzilla]

Why do that before rotating the engine? It's easy, it's free and only takes 30 seconds. If the starter works fine then you'll know exactly what the problem is.

 

Yes, a Z-series engine flywheel works on L-series engine and vice-versa.

[mytoy521]

Do you guys think that the gear reduction starter will work & solve my issue?

 

[datzenmike]

The heated ring is slipped over a frozen flywheel. The ring shrinks as it cools and the wheel expands as it warms to hold it on. If dropped, the wheel actually deforms into an oval shape and quivers like jelly. The ring can slip from position and even fly off.

[ggzilla]

Do you guys think that the gear reduction starter will work & solve my issue?

No, i think it will not solve the problem. Unless maybe if you left the automatic spacer on -- but then you will have other problems.

[mytoy521]

I tried turning the motor over manually to start on a different spot on the flywheel and still not engaging the way it should. still that horrible grinding sound and the emgine hardly turns.

[mytoy521]

I didnt put that spacer on before putting on the flywheel. You think drop tranny and try new flywheel?

[datzenmike]

The reason for the automatic question is that there is a spacer on the end of the crankshafts if running an automatic.

 

Spacer on automatics.... NO spacer on standards.

[ggzilla]

Don't "try" things. Find out what is wrong, then fix it.

 

I would look inside the starter opening and see if you can spot the problem. Or drop the transmission and inspect the ring gear. Compare it. There are TWO automatic spacers. One sometimes sticks on the end of the crankshaft and guys don't realize it.

[mytoy521]

Mr.ggzilla i will take your advice and do all the cheking starter and all. I have onemore starter to mock up andsee what happens. Otherwise i will be dropping the tranny and putting in the original flywheel that came with the Z22. I do recall taking off one spacer but not the second one . Great pointer thanks againfor you time and patience.