josh_t Posted September 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 Not good enough. I don't trust a timing light for this... call me old fashioned but I want to see that there is no spark. Pull the plug wires off and stick a plug in the end and lay on the grounded valve cover. Now crank it over and look for spark. Now swap wires 1 and 4 with 2 and 3 and try again. This will show spark or no spark and also if the two wires are bad. Take a look inside the cap are the contacts missing on #1 and #4??? The more I think about it the more it seems impossible that the points can be the cause.. i am almost positive that you are right about it not being good enough. i put my light on the 1st plug one time today and it wasnt lighting. i'll go do that tomorrow. but the plugs and wires are brand new. the wires i just got two days ago. Quote Link to comment
RedBanner Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 You said you had the dizzy out... Shure its not 1 or 2 teeth off how much adjustment do you have on the pedistle? What kinda plugs you runnin broseph? Quote Link to comment
josh_t Posted September 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 i checked it. its not. the timing is at 10 degrees anyway. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 You said you had the dizzy out... Shure its not 1 or 2 teeth off how much adjustment do you have on the pedistle? If it was off 1 or 2 teeth it would be off and affect all cylinders. What kinda plugs you runnin broseph? Interesting question. H-m-m-m if the electrodes were bent and touching (grounded) on 1 and 4, the timing light might not show the wire firing. Maybe pull the plugs and inspect/or swap with known good ones. Maybe they were dropped and the electrodes are touching. Quote Link to comment
josh_t Posted September 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 i didnt drop them. but the gap might be too big. i think i went with .040 when i put them in to see how it would run when i first got them. it ran almost perfect then. this is a new problem. EDIT: i take that back, i KNOW the gap is too big. and they are ngk r bpr5es. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 0.032 for points. Try re-gaping them. I'll shit if it's that.:poop: :mellow: Quote Link to comment
carnuck Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 hell yes. never had a problem i cant fix on a ford. All you need to fix Fords is different sized hammers! (sez the retired Ford Tech) Check you don't have your dist cap 180 out. The notch that lines it up will lift one side and the spark won't jump (been there, did that in my younger days) Quote Link to comment
josh_t Posted September 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 0.032 for points. Try re-gaping them. I'll shit if it's that.:poop: :mellow: to be quite honest i probably would too. i have a feeling its something simple that i did early on when replacing something as a result of me thinking too hard and experimenting. All you need to fix Fords is different sized hammers! (sez the retired Ford Tech) Check you don't have your dist cap 180 out. The notch that lines it up will lift one side and the spark won't jump (been there, did that in my younger days) i checked that. i checked a few very obvious things like the cap being on the right way, the wires not being on snug. timing being totally off, etc. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted September 24, 2011 Report Share Posted September 24, 2011 Update?? Quote Link to comment
josh_t Posted September 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2011 I had a real busy day today, so i didnt get to do anything but get that tire back to working order. Just got that done. I'll probably work on the car most of tomorrow, but i cant see how it runs since i ran it out of gas yesterday. I'm a high school senior who cant find a job, if that makes any of this make any more sense. I managed to find enough for one gallon of gas the other day, and thats all i had. It either got used or it leaked out. Towards the end of it running, the short section of hose leading from the metal lines that snake around the valve cover to the carb started spraying. Quote Link to comment
josh_t Posted September 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 nice happy update. idk what i did but i took the cap off and laid the coil wire on the thermostat housing and turned the ignition on and then i turned the motor by the fan cuz all the plugs were out. i got a really nice, at least and 1/8" spark from the wire. it was really bright and blue and orange. so then i put the cap back on and did the same thing except the plugs were on the housing. i got noticeably less spark from 2 and 4 compared to 1 and 3, and 1 and 3 had noticeably dirtier plugs. so i'm assuming that would mean cap and rotor time? Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted September 25, 2011 Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 Not good enough. I don't trust a timing light for this... call me old fashioned but I want to see that there is no spark. Pull the plug wires off and stick a plug in the end and lay on the grounded valve cover. Now crank it over and look for spark. Now swap wires 1 and 4 with 2 and 3 and try again. This will show spark or no spark and also if the two wires are bad. Take a look inside the cap are the contacts missing on #1 and #4??? The more I think about it the more it seems impossible that the points can be the cause.. Said this 2 days ago.... Quote Link to comment
josh_t Posted September 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 i didnt use the timing light. the plugs were out of the head and on the thermostat housing. i cant ground it to the valve cover cuz its painted. and all the contacts in the cap are clean and there. and i did some swapping. this was all after i regapped to .032 2 and 4 were sparking but noticeably weaker than 1 and 3. 2 was weaker than 4. Quote Link to comment
metalmonkey47 Posted September 25, 2011 Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 (edited) lulz. Ground to the valve cover.... mike is thinking L series again. This is an odd problem. The strange thing is, I think we've covered about every area Out of curiosity, what plugs do you have? Edited September 25, 2011 by metalmonkey47 Quote Link to comment
josh_t Posted September 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 ngk bpr5ey. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted September 25, 2011 Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 Fixed now? Quote Link to comment
josh_t Posted September 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 i cant run it since its out of gas. lol. its sparking on all 4 now maybe not as strong on some but still i see 4 sparks when i crank it. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted September 25, 2011 Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 OK I'll p/m down 4.549 L from Canada.... wait.... take it out of dad's lawnmower. Quote Link to comment
josh_t Posted September 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 i have already. its out too. they just havent wanted me to mow the grass lately. so it has stayed empty. Quote Link to comment
metalmonkey47 Posted September 25, 2011 Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 Next time I see you, I'll buy you a half a tank of gas. That should hold you over until you get this problem sorted out. Quote Link to comment
josh_t Posted September 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 hell no dude. i cant let you do that. i'll find some stuff to sell. or at least i could fix your kawasaki. there is no way i'm gonna willingly freeload. even if its offered. 1 Quote Link to comment
metalmonkey47 Posted September 25, 2011 Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 hell no dude. i cant let you do that. i'll find some stuff to sell. or at least i could fix your kawasaki. there is no way i'm gonna willingly freeload. even if its offered. reps for being a modest Either way, we're gonna have to make sure this thing is road worthy soon. Quote Link to comment
josh_t Posted September 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 well i found a dollar on the ground today so i'm on my way to another gallon. thats a couple hours of run time right there. i'm gonna put an ad for my business on CL today and get that started up here. Quote Link to comment
josh_t Posted September 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 well since the plugs were out, just for the hell of it i did a compression check. 1: 155 2: 162 3: 149 4: 160 this was while cold so it may be a little lower than when its hot. Quote Link to comment
metalmonkey47 Posted September 25, 2011 Report Share Posted September 25, 2011 Thats great. Beats my car by about 30 PSI. Quote Link to comment
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