Jomz Shakes Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Have I been fooled or is this legit?? Watch "NISSAN 280ZX THAT GETS 50MPG" on YouTube NISSAN 280ZX THAT GETS 50MPG: Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 If this were true we'd all be doing it. Try telling a UFO chaser that they don't exist. That sasquaches don't exist. That there were more than one gunman in Dallas. You can get a 10-20% increase simply by driving differently. Quote Link to comment
Jomz Shakes Posted May 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 But I want it to be real!! Is there any technical reasons why hydrogen can't be put into an intake manifold?? It's been proven to work in combustion engines and is today. Does it need some type of venturi or something to mix properly?? Can it not mix with gasoline?? Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Because Hydrogen costs more than gasoline Do it if you want. Quote Link to comment
TENDRIL Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 if your not careful you can create a boom where you don't want it, and for it to really work you need to cut your fuel back quite a bit , but than you run into lean issues, i dont see how hes getting better gas mileage, by just adding that, he would have to tune it, maybe more HP Quote Link to comment
jvb5577 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 :lol: You have been fooled. I wonder how much money you can make off this :huh: That guys number is really added at the end... Feel sorry for him. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 I don't think the mixture needs changing as the hydrogen and oxygen produced would tend to cancel themselves out. Quote Link to comment
TENDRIL Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 thats the point, if hes using the same amount of fuel as before and not less... than where are the savings? Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Well on a carb anyway... on an efi the MAF senses volume on air, and this would include hydrogen and oxygen and then add too much fuel.... it would run rich. I didn't watch the vid and assume it's the same crap. The energy needed to split the water into H and O2 would equal the energy released by burning the gasses. Then the engine is only 30% efficient and the alternator just as bad. Conservation of energy laws apply. Or the 'you can't take out more energy than you put in' rule. Only way I can see this helping is if H and O helped to increase a gas engne's efficiency. Unlikely. Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Doesn't anyone watch MythBusters? They proved you can run a car on hydrogen. Quote Link to comment
Guest Rick-rat Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 Yes a car will run on Hydrogen, but I wouldn't want hydrogen in a glass jar in the engine compartment. Secured by a bungee cord I doubt if it makes enough hydrogen to even run the car, But as he said it feels like I have (neetros) now Quote Link to comment
captaingamez Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 OMFG. Stop with the BS, buy a MegaSquirt, learn to install it, SPEND ACTUAL MONEY ON A REAL, ACTUAL, GOOD EFFICIENT TUNE, ON A REAL DYNO WITH A TUNER WHO KNOWS HIS SHIT Get better mileage. Get more response in your engine Dont drive like a dingleberry. Fin. Whatever you do, DONT!! throw random flamable gasses in your engine with other vapors of other flamable liquids. Quote Link to comment
captaingamez Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 ^ The Captain's step by step guide to having an EFI Datsun that doesnt run like shit and drives like (or better than) a new car. Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 Does MegaSquirt work with Hydrogen? Quote Link to comment
wayno Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 You will need a whole lot more Hydrogen than that reaction will create to run a car engine, even a very small one like a cox remote control airplane engine will need more fuel than that setup can create. Quote Link to comment
captaingamez Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 Does MegaSquirt work with Hydrogen? Realistically not a whole lot works with hydrogen, ask the Marshalese, or BMW. Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 BMW says they run their gasoline engine on Hydrogen. 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 Have I been fooled or is this legit?? Watch "NISSAN 280ZX THAT GETS 50MPG" on YouTube NISSAN 280ZX THAT GETS 50MPG: First of all it doesn't make Hydrogen. It makes 'Brown's Gas' or a mixture of one part hydrogen and two parts oxygen by splitting water into it's two parts. It's the perfect mixture to burn, fuel (hydrogen) and oxygen, in fact, if he should ever backfire and the flame gets to that tube it will explode violently like a glass grenade. The small fizz isn't enough to run anything and certainly wouldn't make enough to power the alternator to make the electricity to make the gas in the first place. You can't take more energy out of a closed system than what's put into it. You want more mileage? replace the speedo pinion in the transmission with a 15 tooth one. Dream on.. 3 Quote Link to comment
tr8er Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 You do this, you will decimate your exhaust system, spark plugs, and likely seals. On the plus side you won't get speeding tickets cause you will be driving like a bitch, desperate to get better mileage to validate your lie. H2 is a valid combustion resource, and shows a ton of promise. Storage tank technology, while not cheap, is developed and safe ( ceramic foam ). But we are a ways out on this one. E vehicles must first run their course. Then, once fuel cells have been injected into consumer goods, we will have a viable source of H2. This may come from any abundant supply (geothermal, solar, wind), but would be an exercise in futility to actually generate H2 via oil. Mike is right. Conservation of energy applies. But H2 can essentially replace oil in any combustion situation, saving oil for more important tasks like high grade plastics, and solvents. Wherever there is a source of energy and water we can get H2. And that's pretty dope. Well get there. But this shit is dumb and impatient. 1 Quote Link to comment
smoke Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 Right, not hydrogen. Here is the thing that many people over look and it is probably because they really want to overlook it. In the world we live in, getting more energy out of something than you put in is not exactly easy, not a pickle jar and bungee cord easy. It's a bit along the same lines as using an electric motor to turn a generator, this is another big thing that folks want to believe really badly. You get the motor spinning and spinning the gen, the idea being that once you unplug the motor, the electricity from the spinning gen will power the motor to spin the gen to power the motor infinity. Cool, but unless there is some sort of nuclear space rock involved, it goes against the most basic of physics. Now...that's not to say that some dude in his garage will come up with something some day, but as of right now, no. Quote Link to comment
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