datzenmike Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 Strut brace? I agree. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 5 hours ago, VFR800 said: Blue flame six? 1 Quote Link to comment
VFR800 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 Holden inline six cylinder 186ci engine. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 But GM right? My dad's '51 Chev had a Blue Flame Six. 1 Quote Link to comment
VFR800 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) General Motors Holden produced that engine here in AUS so maybe it is same design but it's sure not an import of the "blue flame six" Edited January 12, 2019 by VFR800 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 Dad's would have been the 2nd gen six ending in '63. I remember there was no oil pump or filter in it. Quote Link to comment
VFR800 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 Quote This was a completely new engine and in no way a further development of the grey motor. It featured a seven-bearing crankshaft, full flow oil filter and hydraulic valve lifters. Denoted by the cylinder block painted red, the engine made its debut in the Holden EH in capacities of 149 cubic inches (2,447 cc) and 179 cubic inches (2.93 L) (or HP) producing 100 brake horsepower (75 kW) and 115 brake horsepower (86 kW) respectively. This was a power increase of 33 per cent and 53 per cent over the grey motor.[2] Red six-cylinder engines manufactured after October 1964 had the cubic inch capacity of the engine cast in raised numbers on the side of the block behind the generator/alternator location. Red engines manufactured prior to October 1964 had either no numbers cast (meaning that it was a 149-cubic-inch engine) or the letters "HP" cast (meaning that it was a 179-cubic-inch engine). All Red engines manufactured prior to April 1967 had forged steel crankshafts. This includes all 149 and 179 ci engines, and 161 and 186 ci engines manufactured before that date. Quote Link to comment
goes2fast Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, datzenmike said: Blue flame six? The blue flame 6 was a 3 side draft carb version for the early Corvettes. http://www.superchevy.com/features/1404-1953-chevrolet-corvette-blue-flame-six-first-engine-illustrated/ Edited January 13, 2019 by goes2fast Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 My dad bought his first car in '56 (ish) and in '64 our neighbor helped him pull the oil pan and replace the babbit bearings or file the caps down to close the clearance, or shim them or something. This first gen engine wasn't called the Blue Flame until the mid '50s and this one at least, relied on splash oiling. It was crucial to check the oil level. In '65 he bought a one year old Dodge (Polara I think) This became my first car later on and if I had been given the '51, I probably would have bought a first gen Camaro. Such is life.. Quote Link to comment
goes2fast Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, datzenmike said: My dad bought his first car in '56 (ish) and in '64 our neighbor helped him pull the oil pan and replace the babbit bearings or file the caps down to close the clearance, or shim them or something. This first gen engine wasn't called the Blue Flame until the mid '50s and this one at least, relied on splash oiling. It was crucial to check the oil level. In '65 he bought a one year old Dodge (Polara I think) This became my first car later on and if I had been given the '51, I probably would have bought a first gen Camaro. Such is life.. The blue flame had pressurized oiling, what your dad had was a stovebolt 6. ? 2 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 I think so but the stove bolt was the first gen. Around '54 or so it was upgraded.... and called the Blue Flame maybe because of this? I had a '55 six cylinder and it had a bolt on oil filter and I assumed at the time an oil pump. I remember it was slightly different and it went like stink!!!. 1 Quote Link to comment
goes2fast Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 On 1/12/2019 at 6:40 PM, datzenmike said: I think so but the stove bolt was the first gen. Around '54 or so it was upgraded.... and called the Blue Flame maybe because of this? I had a '55 six cylinder and it had a bolt on oil filter and I assumed at the time an oil pump. I remember it was slightly different and it went like stink!!!. The blue flame was only produced in 53 and 54 for the Corvette until the small block V8 was ready for production in 55. The blue flame had 3 side draft carbs, and a hotter cam I know for sure might have had higher compression as well. I'm pretty sure the stovebolt got the same oiling upgrades as well in 53, but only the Corvette engines were called the blue flame. I had a good friend that restored a 53, they only built 300 the first year, and his was #299. The oil filter was an add on option until 1957 when they came out with the 283 which had a boss cast in the block. I would think the stovebolt got this upgrade about the same time. 2 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 The Blue Flame name has been around through most of the second gen sixes and before WW2. The multi carb Corvette used the same, though updated, Blue Flame six. I had a Blue Flame six in my '55 and like I said it had an oil filter (and I assume an oil pump) whereas my dad's '51 did not. If you say the oil pump was introduced in '53 I won't argue with that but Corvette didn't 'own' that name. Quote Link to comment
goes2fast Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, datzenmike said: The Blue Flame name has been around through most of the second gen sixes and before WW2. The multi carb Corvette used the same, though updated, Blue Flame six. I had a Blue Flame six in my '55 and like I said it had an oil filter (and I assume an oil pump) whereas my dad's '51 did not. If you say the oil pump was introduced in '53 I won't argue with that but Corvette didn't 'own' that name. This is from Wikipedia's history of the Chevrolet straight 6; "The next-generation Chevrolet inline 6 was introduced in 1937 and phased out in 1963 in the US, and 1964 in Brazil. It is often known as the "Blue Flame" engine, although that name was only officially applied beginning in 1953, and then only for one certain model of the engine". The only Chevy 6 engines I ever saw with the label blue flame on them were in 53, and 54 Corvettes. Although you are not as old as I am, you are old enough to know that misinformation gets passed around, and the story changes a little every time it gets repeated. When I was young, I lived and breathed Chevy and Corvette high performance, that is why I helped my friend restore his 53, and 68 Corvettes. He knew I knew Chevy history, and how to find the parts and info he needed to restore his cars. An example of my Chevrolet history knowledge, do you know where the bow tie emblem originated? I do if you would like to know. I also know why the Datsun name was used when Nissan started exporting cars and trucks until they got the rest of the world used to their products. I have a 098 cam in my 57 Chevy most people don't have a clue what that is. It is the solid lifter cam that came in the 57 fuel injected 283. ? Edited January 16, 2019 by goes2fast 3 Quote Link to comment
VFR800 Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 Holden 202 ci "blue motor" 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 I guess my '55 had a Corvette engine in it then. 1 Quote Link to comment
goes2fast Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 hours ago, datzenmike said: I guess my '55 had a Corvette engine in it then. Chevrolet painted all their 6 cylinder engines blue back then, doesn't mean it was a blue flame unless it had the lettering on the valve cover, and the other special parts. carbs, cam, and pistons. 1 Quote Link to comment
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