BEEBANI Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 I built the arms, and would love to work with you on a set to fit yota stuff even though it's complete blasphemy! I've had several guys ask me about converting to 5 lug, and had planned on designing some parts in the near future anyway. Quote Link to comment
datsun_620king Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Thanks for the advice Vegas still such a clean machine you have and im hella jelious. BEEBANI you built your own how and could you help me with some advice on how to get them started it would help me greatly and the toyota swap should be pretty fun and unique. Quote Link to comment
Hoosier77 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 ok so im doing this swap and i have run into some problems. first of all it looks like your engine mounts are both passenger side mounts, worth noting because this shit is not lining up with the stock mounts.I have been dicking with it for the past 2 hours and its not playing out. Second, note that your center link IS flipped, it smashes that bitch if its not flipped as i just found out. anyone have any advice on how to flip the center link? the hole is tapered so how is it going to tighten up if it is backwards? looks like im not going to be setting the engine in anytime soon. On a good note the s13 transmission is fitting decent so far, the shifter is moved back about 3 inches but not far enough but please dont anyone get the idea that its going to be easy, but just think about that boost!!! Quote Link to comment
jesusno2 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Flipping a center link is a lot a work when you can run a threaded rod and drill the arms and use 2 5/8 rod ends its not rocket science. But I belive you have to taper the other side of the arms to flip it and hope ya get it right. Drilling a hole is hard to screw up :lol: Quote Link to comment
Hoosier77 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 I take back half of what i said, those mounts aren't stock mounts on a 77 620 period, they aren't pass or drivers side, wtf mounts are those??? 510? Quote Link to comment
Hoosier77 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 im looking on rock auto at the 73 510 mounts and they are similar but they still dont look right. Quote Link to comment
izzo Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 im looking on rock auto at the 73 510 mounts and they are similar but they still dont look right. I am quoting what he said earlier in the thread sorry took so long been away at schooling in utah. yes is it a sr20det. using the stock mount brackets i bolted it up to the 620's stock rubber one. it fit nice. Quote Link to comment
vegas_datsun Posted March 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 The rubber mounts I'm using are factory 620 mounts And the brackets are stock sr20det ones. As for the center link. It's how it came with the truck when I bought it. When I get home I'll take better pics of everything . I'll be home April 6th Quote Link to comment
Hoosier77 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 sweet! thanks vegas, im gonns try to situate the engine down in there a bit better, i think my centerlink is preventing it from tilting where it needs to go, ill get that off and try again, however im still trying to figure out youe mounts, they look nothing like any of the 620 mounts i have looked up. maybe datzenmike knows this one? Quote Link to comment
vegas_datsun Posted March 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 http://www.new-datsun-parts.com/datsun-pl620-truck-parts.html about 3/4 the way down youll see the ruber mounts Quote Link to comment
Hoosier77 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 ok so here is what i have figured out. The sr20det swap isnt as nearly as bolt in as we all would like, but with the proper tools and a little bit of ingenuity it can be done. Vegas, you have used a frankenstein combo tranny and your saying that the stock tranny mount bolted up and that the mount lined up on the tranny cross-member, you used stock L16 engine mounts, and the stock turbo DID NOT clear the steering column. However most of us would be swapping a complete setup that included an s13 sr20 tranny instead of a Frankenstein tranny. I am using a redtop s13 with the stock 5 speed s13 tranny, the stock 620 engine mounts (L20B not L16) and the stock 620 tranny mount. With the engine in the bay the top lip of the transmission barely hits the firewall so a little massaging with a hammer and dolly will be in order, however with the stock s13 5 speed the crossmember needs to be relocated a few inches rearward. This problem is easily solved and opens the door to using the stock turbo. With the engine and tranny mounted together, line up the transmission mount with the holes in the cross member and bolt it in. Now taking a look at the engine bay you will notice that the engine is sitting an inch or so forward. This is OK!!!! to solve this problem you will need to remove the metal mount on the frame and relocate it forward approx 1 Inch. With the engine seated securely forward the stock t25 turbo clears the steering column. however the stock waste gate actuator will need to be remounted in a different way (im still working on that one). just a different way to mount it all up i guess, but it does allow you to use the stock turbo and to keep from having to re weld the tranny crossmember. I would rather weld the engine mounts than try and weld the crossmember overhead yikes!!! direct swap with stock components? NO!!! direct swap with aftermarket components? possibly but alot more expense involved!!!! Quote Link to comment
Greiggy Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 hoosier 77 dont forget about your radiator setup and intercooler placement with the s13 box using the std gearbox xmember it leaves not a hell of alot of room for a decent sized radiator, fan and intercooler setup .... food for thought Quote Link to comment
Hoosier77 Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 been usign cardboard cutouts and measuring, there is room upfront for a 3 inch radiator, a small intercooler in front of the radiator and for a pulling fan, its tight but it fits. Also im not seeing how vegas got his that far back in the engine bay, as mine is an index finger width away from the firewall. even if i wanted to it wont scoot back any further. Quote Link to comment
Greiggy Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 i dont have a great pic of mine showing its firewall clearance but when i get back into the shed withe my camera ill take a few and post up here for reference for you hoosier Quote Link to comment
vegas_datsun Posted March 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 ok so here is what i have figured out. The sr20det swap isnt as nearly as bolt in as we all would like, but with the proper tools and a little bit of ingenuity it can be done. Vegas, you have used a frankenstein combo tranny and your saying that the stock tranny mount bolted up and that the mount lined up on the tranny cross-member, you used stock L16 engine mounts, and the stock turbo DID NOT clear the steering column. However most of us would be swapping a complete setup that included an s13 sr20 tranny instead of a Frankenstein tranny. I am using a redtop s13 with the stock 5 speed s13 tranny, the stock 620 engine mounts (L20B not L16) and the stock 620 tranny mount. With the engine in the bay the top lip of the transmission barely hits the firewall so a little massaging with a hammer and dolly will be in order, however with the stock s13 5 speed the crossmember needs to be relocated a few inches rearward. This problem is easily solved and opens the door to using the stock turbo. With the engine and tranny mounted together, line up the transmission mount with the holes in the cross member and bolt it in. Now taking a look at the engine bay you will notice that the engine is sitting an inch or so forward. This is OK!!!! to solve this problem you will need to remove the metal mount on the frame and relocate it forward approx 1 Inch. With the engine seated securely forward the stock t25 turbo clears the steering column. however the stock waste gate actuator will need to be remounted in a different way (im still working on that one). just a different way to mount it all up i guess, but it does allow you to use the stock turbo and to keep from having to re weld the tranny crossmember. I would rather weld the engine mounts than try and weld the crossmember overhead yikes!!! direct swap with stock components? NO!!! direct swap with aftermarket components? possibly but alot more expense involved!!!! yeah the tranny i have is a ka tranny with sr bell housing. i used that cuz the tranny that came with my motor was a 6speed and i didnt want the 6 speed. i dont think the stock sr 5speed is much longer than the ka one. i dont have one to compare. how mine bolted right up ionno. i just put it in and it all lined up. must have gotten lucky or something. how much different are the motor mounts on the l20b to the l16?? simple fix could be to just go to the junk yard or order some off line. that way itll fit like mine did. when i get home i will definitally take more pics and explain a lil better how everything is set up. i never once said this is the set way to put the motor in. but it is whats been working for me without having to move motor mounts and re weld them. with stock components i couldnt get it to fit cuz the turo. but i see it as if im doing a swap it wont stay stock thats why i never went too indepth on trying ot get it to fit in stock motor setup. Quote Link to comment
Hoosier77 Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 any updates? im interested to see whats next!!!! definitely an inspiration, i dont think i would have ever started this swap if it was for you trying it and icehouse making those can am boxes. Quote Link to comment
vegas_datsun Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 wont have any updates till weds. i leave cali tomorrow for vegas so when i get home ill update with pics of the motor and the new 4 link that came in Quote Link to comment
vegas_datsun Posted April 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 sorry got caught up with the family. ill uplaod the pics i took in a few and post them Quote Link to comment
Hoosier77 Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 its been a few :blink: Quote Link to comment
dedrick Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 You realize your build is like crack, right Vegas? QUIT HOLDING OUT DON'T MAKE ME CUT YOU MAN I NEED MY FIX Quote Link to comment
Hoosier77 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Ok its been a second a minute an hour and a day, where the shit are the pictures?!?!!?!??! Quote Link to comment
Greiggy Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 some people do have lives... :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment
GRHebard Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 great build! im glad i joined this forum, a lot of impressive builds going on Quote Link to comment
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