D.D.Anderson Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 hey, today i just swapped my B310 60 series 4 speed from my Van into a B310 60 series 5 speed from USA. Everything bolted on perfect and is in great condition, changed the crossmember and new rubber between. But i got questions about some wiring... look at these pictures: I changed the nice wiring from my 4 speed into 5 speed, but the 5 speed has these extra yellow wirings that my 4 speed didn't have, what are these wirings for? is it some extra or something? would be great to know! The clean is 5 speed, the dirty is 4 speed. Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 USA versions have Nissan TCVAS. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Neutral switch. Tells the emissions system if shifting between gears or out of gear coasting or idling. On vehicles with a fuel shut off system on deceleration, it shuts it off so the motor doesn't stall. 1 Quote Link to comment
D.D.Anderson Posted March 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 TCVAS? well could it be usefull for my car? i don't need it in general, how do i install this? Well this Norwegian B310 4 speed TCVAS is blocked off, so its nothing there, but this US type has it. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 TCVAS uses the top gear switch. The switch in the first picture (with yellow wires) is the neutral detecting switch. Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Some B310 MT (manual transmission) models de-activated EGR when in nuetral or in top gear. This made use of the transmission Nuetral switch and transmission Top switch to electrically operate a bleed switch. This switch is only needed if you are still using the EGR system. See http://datsun1200.com/modules/mediawiki/?title=EGR#Vacuum_Switching_Valve Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 As Mike said, some other USA B310 used the Neutral switch for idle-cut to improve fuel economy. http://datsun1200.com/modules/mediawiki/index.php?title=Fuel_Shut-Off_System There were seven different packages every year for B310, not counting the different engines. Confusing. 1 Quote Link to comment
D.D.Anderson Posted March 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Thanks for the info! made it cleaerer! Quote Link to comment
D.D.Anderson Posted March 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Bump! I did just testdrive the 5 speed. Guess i gotta leak out alittle oil because i heard some "swirling drowning" noise everytime i clutch, we did put alittle more for safety reasons, some dl over 1,2l, i heard some beating noise but that was only the exhaust hitting the floor. Seems nice, but IF, do some of u have some tips for what sounds to listen for? bad, good? Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 1.2 liter is for a dry gearbox. For safety, place the car on level surface, remove filler plug and let the extra oil run out. When it stops it is the correct level. Quote Link to comment
D.D.Anderson Posted March 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 1.2 liter is for a dry gearbox. For safety, place the car on level surface, remove filler plug and let the extra oil run out. When it stops it is the correct level. U mean the one one on the side? we filled 1,5L and tried to empty it, but when i removed it, nothing came out... So no noices i should pay extra attention for? Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 No need. If there is a problem you will hear it. Fill the gearbox through the filler plug until it runs out. Quote Link to comment
D.D.Anderson Posted March 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 So "swirling drown noise" every clutch is normal? Should a 5 speed from USA sound different from a 4 speed from here? Okay. strange if 1,2L is max cap (is it?) until it runs out, i fill 1,5L and it still doesn't run out? well okay, need a few spoons more with oil. Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 Strange. The filler plug is the one with 14mm square head. Did you fit an old clutch with the USA gearbox? Or a new Europe clutch? 1 Quote Link to comment
D.D.Anderson Posted March 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Strange. The filler plug is the one with 14mm square head. Did you fit an old clutch with the USA gearbox? Or a new Europe clutch? Well i disconneted the old clutch mounted on the USA box because rubber was weared off, and installed the box on the car, before i removed the 4 speed box i screw off the clutch and let it hang, i just conntected that clutch on the US box since it was allready installed and didnt need any venting. Is there any difference? My original 4 speed clutch is on the 5 speed because it was in much better condition, it looks the same and works the same from my perspective... The noice i hear every time clutching is soooooo anoying... "swirling drowning" sound. can't be the clutch release bearing...? Well the 5 speed box performed very good, just like the 4 speed, it turns smooth and acts quick. Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Clutch is same Europe/North America/Japan Swishing sound is quite common, but not very loud. It may be a dry pilot bearing (spigot bushing). Clutch slave cylinder Clutch Quote Link to comment
D.D.Anderson Posted March 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Clutch is same Europe/North America/Japan Swishing sound is quite common, but not very loud. It may be a dry pilot bearing (spigot bushing). It needs oil not grease. Clutch slave cylinder Clutch Well the transmission was completely cleaned up, so maby its dry some places. Is there any outside parts or anything that must be oiled/greased? Quote Link to comment
D.D.Anderson Posted March 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Well the transmission was completely cleaned up, so maby its dry some places. Is there any outside parts or anything that should be oiled/greased? any idea what to do? Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Yes * pilot bushing * release lever pivot * release bearing sleeve * output seal * slave cylinder pivot Quote Link to comment
D.D.Anderson Posted March 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Inside the red circle? English isn't at the "Strongest"... I fear i gotta uninstall the whole thing again...... oh gawd, it was an assjob to get that thing out with the max lift of half meter... I was laying so tight under the car that i gotta "worm" myself out on my back with the trans on my top... Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 This will not change the swishing sound "Release Bearing" - do not grease "Release bearing Sleeve". Grease inside and tabs. If not greased will make noise when pedal is moving up or down. Assembled Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Pilot bushing. Will make noise if not greased, when clutch pedal pushed down and engine running. Does not spin while driving so no noise. The Nissan Factory Service Manual says: "Clean the clutch pilot bushing, and fill it with multi-purpose grease." Use a lithium based grease with molybdenum disulphide. Also, apply lightly to the input shaft (tip and splines) when installing the transmission. Quote Link to comment
D.D.Anderson Posted March 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Oh thanks alot, that might solve my problem, i will look it up. My mate with Approved Automobile mechanic sertificate, says that i must NOT do this, because it ruins the whole clutch and system, if not dry. I strongly dissagree with him, and i think you got the right answer, but can't argue with him because of that stupid certificate, he works with trucks... Hope this works. Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Is true that if any grease or oil leaks onto the clutch disc, it causes chatter/shudder and possibly slippage. Quote Link to comment
D.D.Anderson Posted March 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 never oil/grease clutch discs that right as you sad, but he says its a nono to grease/oil the bushing/release too... Is he really competent? he only work with scania trucks as told... for me your explenation sounds logic. Running it complete dry maby with only trans oil isn't enough from my view. Quote Link to comment
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