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concrete deep. interesting. i cant remember the guys name but he was the vp in the start of the club. my father did a lot and i mean a lot of work on all the mini trucks back in the day at inland wheel center. he actually has a 66 510 pickup thats just sitting and he wont get on the damn thing. so hopefully my datsun 411 sss will motivate him to start working on it again. :).