ogyango Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 i have a 1997 d21 i wanna swap to 5 lug in the rear since i run 5x114 on my other truck. i had done adapters on the front end but dont want to do that on the rear since im low and dont want to have the wheels all pushed out. what truck would i have to swap to 5 lug rear axel. Quote Link to comment
Stoffregen Motorsports Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 Toyota 2wd rear axles are 5 lug. For the right width, maybe early Tacoma? I believe the early Tacoma was about 60" wide. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 You need to consider the differential ratio so you don't loose power or loose mileage. Also the distance WMS to WMS (wheel mounting surface) must closely match your D21. Toyota 2wd front 5 lug hubs used to fit the 720, might still fit the early D21. What's yours, '89-ish? Should put the year in your profile saves people asking over and over. Just knowing the year eliminates a lot of questions later. You also have a 720? or calling your D21 a 720.... because it isn't. Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 2 hours ago, ogyango said: i have a 1997 d21 i wanna swap to 5 lug in the rear since i run 5x114 on my other truck. i had done adapters on the front end but dont want to do that on the rear since im low and dont want to have the wheels all pushed out. what truck would i have to swap to 5 lug rear axel. What are the rims from at 5x114? While they are 5 lug I'm not sure Toyota matches that pattern... Redrilling is also a possible option... You'd need to compare the datsun to the pattern you want to check if the bolt spacing will work... Quote Link to comment
ogyango Posted May 6 Author Report Share Posted May 6 42 minutes ago, datzenmike said: You need to consider the differential ratio so you don't loose power or loose mileage. Also the distance WMS to WMS (wheel mounting surface) must closely match your D21. Toyota 2wd front 5 lug hubs used to fit the 720, might still fit the early D21. What's yours, '89-ish? Should put the year in your profile saves people asking over and over. Just knowing the year eliminates a lot of questions later. You also have a 720? or calling your D21 a 720.... because it isn't. i have 2 truck a datsun and a hardbody. but im talking about my hardbody and its a 1997 not early pretty sure was the last year they made them Quote Link to comment
ogyango Posted May 6 Author Report Share Posted May 6 32 minutes ago, Crashtd420 said: What are the rims from at 5x114? While they are 5 lug I'm not sure Toyota matches that pattern... Redrilling is also a possible option... You'd need to compare the datsun to the pattern you want to check if the bolt spacing will work... pretty sure about to 95 tacomas are 5x114.3 1 Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 (edited) 50 minutes ago, ogyango said: pretty sure about to 95 tacomas are 5x114.3 Ok found it... 95 to 04... 2 wheel drive has the 5x114.3... didn't see it at first.. Just making sure.... I still think re drilling is an option also... Edited May 6 by Crashtd420 Quote Link to comment
ogyango Posted May 6 Author Report Share Posted May 6 11 minutes ago, Crashtd420 said: Ok found it... 95 to 04... 2 wheel drive has the 5x114.3... didn't see it at first.. Just making sure.... I still think re drilling is an option also... are u talking about re drilling my holes for the wheels so 6 lug fits? if so nope i wouldn’t want to do that to every wheel i own and i like to trade so im always having a diff pair that’s why im asking but looks like getting an axel from that year looks more promising plus i drift the truck so it will be worth it Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 Re-drill the rear axle and drums to 5 lug? Might not be room for the closer 5 lug pattern on the fronts or rears. The D21 became the D22 Frontier for '98. Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 33 minutes ago, datzenmike said: Re-drill the rear axle and drums to 5 lug? Might not be room for the closer 5 lug pattern on the fronts or rears. The D21 became the D22 Frontier for '98. The pattern does fit but 1 seems really close but i forgot you'd have to deal with the drums and that center bore... With the Toyota axle he could probably upgrade to disks at the same time... 1 Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 Better to re-drill the D21 axles for five studs, than have to narrow a swapped-in rear axle assembly. Or swap one in that's 1/4" too narrow and have to use spacers to get it to match the front track First-gen Tacoma 1995-2004 2WD wheels are 5-on-4-1/2" (some people call it 114.3mm) Quote Link to comment
ogyango Posted May 6 Author Report Share Posted May 6 25 minutes ago, Crashtd420 said: The pattern does fit but 1 seems really close but i forgot you'd have to deal with the drums and that center bore... With the Toyota axle he could probably upgrade to disks at the same time... is it even possible to take out the actual axel shaft and try to run a tacoma with the tacoma drum brakes? Quote Link to comment
ogyango Posted May 6 Author Report Share Posted May 6 1 minute ago, ogyango said: is it even possible to take out the actual axel shaft and try to run a tacoma with the tacoma drum brakes? but i don’t think so bc if the length maybe idk Quote Link to comment
ogyango Posted May 6 Author Report Share Posted May 6 24 minutes ago, ggzilla said: Better to re-drill the D21 axles for five studs, than have to narrow a swapped-in rear axle assembly. Or swap one in that's 1/4" too narrow and have to use spacers to get it to match the front track First-gen Tacoma 1995-2004 2WD wheels are 5-on-4-1/2" (some people call it 114.3mm) yea bc then i will have to swap my drive shaft to now that i think of it. how would i redrill the holes take the drum brake apart, what about the axel shaft is that where i would make the holes for 5x114 and then the drum at the end? Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 Not worth the effort. Run six lugs. Datsun and Nissan, Chev, Ford, Courier, Toyota, Isuzu Trooper, I can't recall all of them, run the same bolt pattern in a variety of off sets, widths and diameters plus they all have mag options. Find out your off set on your stock rim and go hunting in wrecking yards or after market magazines. Quote Link to comment
Socalman Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 17 hours ago, ogyango said: yea bc then i will have to swap my drive shaft to now that i think of it. how would i redrill the holes take the drum brake apart, what about the axel shaft is that where i would make the holes for 5x114 and then the drum at the end? You are just going to need to go to a junk yard and start measuring 5 lugs with same bolt pattern, have you measured your 720 to the d21 to compare? worse case scenario, if you find a little narrower one, then you can run an appropriate spacer without being too wide. I get what your trying to do, run same wheel pattern on both trucks, do not be discouraged, it's just not going to be as easy as just an axle swap, it might be but probably not. if you do find one that will work, might as well grab the driveshaft as well, might come in handy for the flange needed. Quote Link to comment
ogyango Posted May 7 Author Report Share Posted May 7 2 minutes ago, Socalman said: You are just going to need to go to a junk yard and start measuring 5 lugs with same bolt pattern, have you measured your 720 to the d21 to compare? worse case scenario, if you find a little narrower one, then you can run an appropriate spacer without being too wide. I get what your trying to do, run same wheel pattern on both trucks, do not be discouraged, it's just not going to be as easy as just an axle swap, it might be but probably not. if you do find one that will work, might as well grab the driveshaft as well, might come in handy for the flange needed. my 720 came 6 lug i think there like 6x5.5 both my 720 and d21 since they both run the same adapter. but i think getting a new axel would be it since idk what else to do besides add adapters. 96 tacoma wide is like 58.6 something like that so its a little shorter then mine, mines like 60. and i wonder if i would have to cut the drive shaft bc i’ve heard someone had to cut there but who knows cans fin any videos on someone trying to do this. rather just get the axel since i drift the truck and see if i can get a lower ratio diff to Quote Link to comment
Stoffregen Motorsports Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 I see only solutions, not problems. Go for the swap. It will make future brake changes easier and besides, the aftermarket for Toyota axles is so much stronger than for Nissan. Locker or limited slip? Yep. Diff ratios from 3.7 to 5.71? Yep. Brake upgrades? Not a problem. Toyota for the win! 2 Quote Link to comment
Stinky Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 It would be way easier to get rid of your front rims and run 6-bolt all the way around. If you change rear ends, the flange on the shaft ain't gonna fit...I'd bet big money on it ($10 ; ) Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 2 hours ago, Stinky said: .... If you change rear ends, the flange on the shaft ain't gonna fit...I'd bet big money on it ($10 ; ) That's if the the drive shaft is the same length, unlikely. Quote Link to comment
ogyango Posted May 8 Author Report Share Posted May 8 6 hours ago, Stinky said: It would be way easier to get rid of your front rims and run 6-bolt all the way around. If you change rear ends, the flange on the shaft ain't gonna fit...I'd bet big money on it ($10 ; ) nah running 6 on a mini has got to be the worst hate the wheel options. that’s why i added adapter up front. and no i don’t think it’s going to be to much if i do it right Quote Link to comment
ogyango Posted May 8 Author Report Share Posted May 8 4 hours ago, datzenmike said: That's if the the drive shaft is the same length, unlikely. yea might be off by like 2 inches i do know that for sure Quote Link to comment
Stinky Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 (edited) If you change rear-ends....you are looking at $500. Rear-Axle, $200. Then a cut and etc rear shaft....last time that I had my U-joints changed, at a shop, it was over $100 just for that. Cutting your shaft, and welding the flange....I couldn't guess what it is gonna cost, but it ain't gonna be $100. BTW, when you buy your rear end, get the shaft. You are gonna need the flange. car-part.com Datzen brings up a good point....axle ratio. But, I bet that if you get an axle from a 4cyl PU w/195/75-14 tires, that the desired rpm is gonna be close enough. Edited May 9 by Stinky Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 The axle ratio is on the engine tag mounted on the inner right fender below the hood hinge. Like the 720 before it the tag is marked... Trans/Axle................ FS5W71C..... HF 41 or HF 39 even HF 53 for 4.11, 3.90 and 3.545 Again this is a lot of work for 5 lug rims. Quote Link to comment
Stoffregen Motorsports Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 Sometimes you just want what you want. 1 Quote Link to comment
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