wilwood brakes brackets

[Socalman]

So I decided to go from kingpin to ball joint setup using beebani's upper and lower control arms to convert to d21. I have this new wilwood brake kit currently installed on my 521 and was wondering or hoping if anyone knows or sells a bracket to be able to use the wilwood calipers with the d21 brakes? they are the dynalight calipers...

[mklotz70]

If not, you might consider just selling the entire king pin assembly....spindles, hubs, rotors, calipers to someone that can use them as-is.

[Socalman]

might need to go that route…brake kit has between 100-200 miles on them…

8 hours ago, mklotz70 said:

If not, you might consider just selling the entire king pin assembly....spindles, hubs, rotors, calipers to someone that can use them as-is.

[mklotz70]

....but the best option would be to find a bracket that allows you to use those rotors/calipers on the D21 spindle......right?  

 

Which rotors are those?  

Calipers?  Model number since there's multiple units under the dynalite version.

 

Is beebani still making stuff.  I haven't seen any of his stuff in a long time....I'm sure he blocked me way back.  

[Socalman]

8 hours ago, mklotz70 said:

....but the best option would be to find a bracket that allows you to use those rotors/calipers on the D21 spindle......right?  

 

Which rotors are those?  

Calipers?  Model number since there's multiple units under the dynalite version.

 

Is beebani still making stuff.  I haven't seen any of his stuff in a long time....I'm sure he blocked me way back.  

That would be my best outcome, yes, not worried about using these rotors but would love to use these calipers, they are Wilwood dynalight 120-14932. 
 

Why would he block you? I follow him on  instagram, he did change the name of his account to 6pfabllc …these are his uppers and lowers I bought for the conversion…

[mklotz70]

I met Jason many years ago.  A couple of other guys had problems with him and bad mouthed him a lot....at the same time, pointing to me as a better option.  I've helped a lot of his customers behind the scenes over the years.  Not sure why he banned me, but I can't say that I've ever actually cared. lol  There's a much longer story, but it's not something I'm going to share here.  

 

If I get a chance, I'll see how the dimensions compare to the WW calipers I have here.  My shop is buried with other stuff right now, so I doubt I'll look at anything for at least a few days.  

 

...oh.....I tried to search that name on IG and it came up with nothing.

Edited December 8, 2024 by mklotz70

[Socalman]

53 minutes ago, mklotz70 said:

I met Jason many years ago.  A couple of other guys had problems with him and bad mouthed him a lot....at the same time, pointing to me as a better option.  I've helped a lot of his customers behind the scenes over the years.  Not sure why he banned me, but I can't say that I've ever actually cared. lol  There's a much longer story, but it's not something I'm going to share here.  

 

If I get a chance, I'll see how the dimensions compare to the WW calipers I have here.  My shop is buried with other stuff right now, so I doubt I'll look at anything for at least a few days.  

 

...oh.....I tried to search that name on IG and it came up with nothing.

Let me know if you come up with anything. I can even send you one of the Wilwood if you’re willing to make something. Thanks! 

[mklotz70]

I've tried my phone and laptop.....6pfabllc will not come up for me on IG.  If I google it, a couple of links show up to his page....but when I click on them, they say Sorry, page not available.  Not going to waste any more time on this....I just think it's funny that no one else has a problem seeing it but me. lol

[mklotz70]

On 12/6/2024 at 11:48 AM, Socalman said:

So I decided to go from kingpin to ball joint setup using beebani's upper and lower control arms to convert to d21. I have this new wilwood brake kit currently installed on my 521 and was wondering or hoping if anyone knows or sells a bracket to be able to use the wilwood calipers with the d21 brakes? they are the dynalight calipers...

 

Just to be clear....is this a pic of your calipers?  They are narrow mount and the number you posted is for the wide mount version.  

 

....also, those calipers show they're for a .83" thick rotor....the Passport rotor(I'm assuming that's what they are) are typically a hair over 1".  

Edited December 9, 2024 by mklotz70

[Socalman]

5 hours ago, mklotz70 said:

 

Just to be clear....is this a pic of your calipers?  They are narrow mount and the number you posted is for the wide mount version.  

 

....also, those calipers show they're for a .83" thick rotor....the Passport rotor(I'm assuming that's what they are) are typically a hair over 1".  

my first post has the actual picture of the caliper installed on my truck...this is the kit I bought...https://www.silverminemotors.com/products/wilwood-front-brake-upgrade-kit-datsun-truck-64-77-521-320-620-superlight-caliper  when I go to their website and look for individual parts, the part number and picture I posted is what comes up. I will check the actual part number I have when I get some time to tear into it... Thanks

[mklotz70]

Thanks for the link.  I've talke, off and on, with Edan for many years.  In the pics for that kit, it looks like the calipers are the narrow mount ones, but the caliper he lists for replacement.... Wilwood 6816  is a wide mount.  It's one I've used a handful of times and even have on the shelf here.  Krec used to make those brackets for him, but Krec moved.....I have no clue where Edan has them made now.  

I used the 6816 calipers on a 13" brake setup I did for a 5 lug conversion on HB spindles.  Since they were the same spindles and calipers, the rotor size and offset would change....but I think the basic shape of the bracket would be similar.

http://www.bluehandsvideo.com/big-brake-ball-joint-5-lug.html

[Socalman]

2 hours ago, mklotz70 said:

Thanks for the link.  I've talke, off and on, with Edan for many years.  In the pics for that kit, it looks like the calipers are the narrow mount ones, but the caliper he lists for replacement.... Wilwood 6816  is a wide mount.  It's one I've used a handful of times and even have on the shelf here.  Krec used to make those brackets for him, but Krec moved.....I have no clue where Edan has them made now.  

I used the 6816 calipers on a 13" brake setup I did for a 5 lug conversion on HB spindles.  Since they were the same spindles and calipers, the rotor size and offset would change....but I think the basic shape of the bracket would be similar.

http://www.bluehandsvideo.com/big-brake-ball-joint-5-lug.html

Thats a nice truck...Well if you find yourself the time and willing to make a bracket, let me know. on a separate note. I need to order a rubber hose and banjo bolt for the HB calipers for now. do you know if it will screw into the 521 hard line? 

[mklotz70]

They don't fit correctly.  The hardline is SAE(Imperial) and the hose will be metric.  You'll need two of these adapters. 

https://www.autozone.com/brakes-and-traction-control/brake-line-fitting/p/ags-female-3-8-24-inverted-male-m10x1-0-inverted-1-card-brass-adapter/835279_0_0

[Socalman]

The hardline on the datsun is not metric? interesting...

[Crashtd420]

18 hours ago, Socalman said:

The hardline on the datsun is not metric? interesting...

Not until the 620....

521 and earlier where sae on everything other than the engine... engine hardware is metric....

Edited December 11, 2024 by Crashtd420

[mklotz70]

most of your 521 is SAE. It was a requirement by the US in order for them to be imported....most mechanics didn't have metric tools/equipment.  

[Socalman]

Received the stuff today, pretty nice hardware, a bit heavier than the stock stuff. wish it had a baseline measurement to set those upper control arms for camber and I guess caster to be able to drive it to alignment shop when the time comes...does anyone know if the lower control arm bushing for a d21 work on the 521? 

[mklotz70]

Honestly, unless your inner LCA bushings are actually toast, I wouldn't change them.  Personally, I've never some across one that was bad enough to change.  A lot of them get ruined when guys take about the sun bolts to be able to remove the LCAs.  I don't know which sun bolts and bushings Bee's stuff uses, so you might want to figure out that first.  I don't remember the details, but I think the HB bushings are a different diameter, but the same length as the 620 ball joint bushings.  I don't show the HB bushing in this vid, but I do show the drum 620 and 521 inner LCA bushings....and make mention that the HB are different.
 

There's a homebuilt hydraulic press idea in this thread....

 

The first part of this vid shows the HB inner LCA bushings.  It's from when I was building the first batch of ball joint conversions.  Mine maintained the stock track width. Last I checked, Bee's didn't, but he may have changed that....no clue.  If not, those new arms will move your track width out about 1.25" PER SIDE.  It's not that big of a deal when running stock steel rims, because they're so narrow, but most guys putting this kind of custom work into their trucks run custom rims.
 

 

[mklotz70]

I thought I had some info running around here about alignment specs.  The stock specs are in the manual, but the camber is listed at 1 deg positive if I remember right.  Things have changed over the years. lol  I'm pretty sure you'll be fine to start at .5-1 deg of neg camber and about 3-5 deg of neg caster.

 

In this vid, I do a rudimentary check of the ball joint mod alignment.  I did some checking back then about this way of checking caster.  Even a couple of alignment guys said that this would work just fine to get it close enough to take to a shop when finished.  I have the piece of angle clamped on there so that I could make sure I had the wheel mounting surface parallel to the frame or with a slight(1/8") amount of toe in.

 

 

[Rotarded]

On 12/6/2024 at 11:22 PM, mklotz70 said:

If not, you might consider just selling the entire king pin assembly....spindles, hubs, rotors, calipers to someone that can use them as-is.

I'm in socal and was looking into the silvermine kit. If you decide against it I would be interested in the caliper setup. I am having my kingpins rebuilt at the moment so I will be installing those and I'd like to add new brakes up front. 

[Socalman]

8 hours ago, mklotz70 said:

Honestly, unless your inner LCA bushings are actually toast, I wouldn't change them.  Personally, I've never some across one that was bad enough to change.  A lot of them get ruined when guys take about the sun bolts to be able to remove the LCAs.  I don't know which sun bolts and bushings Bee's stuff uses, so you might want to figure out that first.  I don't remember the details, but I think the HB bushings are a different diameter, but the same length as the 620 ball joint bushings.  I don't show the HB bushing in this vid, but I do show the drum 620 and 521 inner LCA bushings....and make mention that the HB are different.
 

There's a homebuilt hydraulic press idea in this thread....

 

The first part of this vid shows the HB inner LCA bushings.  It's from when I was building the first batch of ball joint conversions.  Mine maintained the stock track width. Last I checked, Bee's didn't, but he may have changed that....no clue.  If not, those new arms will move your track width out about 1.25" PER SIDE.  It's not that big of a deal when running stock steel rims, because they're so narrow, but most guys putting this kind of custom work into their trucks run custom rims.
 

 

Yeah, thats a lot of good info, I don't know what my LCA bushings will look like, but I like to be informed and prepare before getting into it...as far as the track width, I am running a 1" spacer at the moment, so if it is 1.5" wider, that would be great...Thank you for all your knowledge!

[Socalman]

55 minutes ago, Rotarded said:

I'm in socal and was looking into the silvermine kit. If you decide against it I would be interested in the caliper setup. I am having my kingpins rebuilt at the moment so I will be installing those and I'd like to add new brakes up front. 

Make me an offer, only drove the truck about 150 miles, I have only filled it up with gas like 3-4 times since I got it on the road...I don't remember exactly what I paid but they are going for $855 on their website at the moment...

[Socalman]

@mklotz70 do you happen to have a set of these made? The lower coil over mount..otherwise I’ll have to cut off and clean up the ones I have welded on the stock arms…I need a set before Xmas. 

[mklotz70]

I'm pretty sure that I don't.  They were pretty popular by themselves, so I think all the extras sold.  

One of the times I did the ball joint mod setups, I just did tabs to reinforce the shock mounts.  You could make them yourself easy enough, but you'd need to weld them on.  This vid shows a quick look at the tabs, but it's mostly about how I machined them.  I linked the vid at the point where you can actually see the tab and it's placement.
 

 

 

 

[mklotz70]

This is pretty much unnecessary, but this vid shows the shock mounts that went on the last batch of LCAs.  I linked to a better close up of them so you can skip the rest of the machining/designing.  If you can bend 1/4" or have some 2x2 1/4" wall tubing, you could fab these manually as well.