cardinals Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 I need some help identifying an A14 and 60 Transmission. I picked up a 1977 Triumph Spitfire at an auction and upon opening the hood discovered that the engine was not the original one that came with the car matter of fact the valve cover said Nissan on it. Upon further research found that engine was a Datsun engine. Needless to say I am restoring the Triumph and am in the process of rebuilding a Triumph engine to put in it. I am getting the Datsun engine and tranny prepared for sale and just need some help decoding the serial numbers I found on the engine block and on the tranny and gearbox. Engine # A14 702770 space B Tranny # 60 number on bell housing is FL 0537820. On the right side of the gearbox is the #4 and on the left side is the #10. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 If it says Nissan then probably from the later 210 ( B310 ) '79-'82 Engine size and ID is stamped just forward of the distributor hole. You may have a 60 series 4 or 5 speed. Note relative lengths as marked by yellow lines. With luck you may have a 5 speed. There were two styles available. The'79 dogleg and the '80 and up regular shift pattern The top silver transmission is a regular shift 60 series 5 speed. Note the oil drain bung facing down and it's location with the yellow arrow to it. Above is a dogleg shift with reverse above first. Note the yellow arrow points to the rearward facing oil drain bung. The white arrow points to a very large nut facing downward. Only doglegs have this. Quote Link to comment
cardinals Posted July 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 It's a 5 speed. Do you have any idea what the engine block numbers mean? Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 Engine size and ID is stamped just forward of the distributor hole. The numbers would be on the plate on the body and would only verify that it was the original engine Quote Link to comment
cardinals Posted July 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 # A14 702770 space B is what I found on my block. Do you what the numbers mean in this sequence? Year? car type? B letter? Quote Link to comment
Morrisun Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 The casting number on the cylinder head will tell you about when the engine was made and what model of car. The cast # in located under the valve cover at #4 cylinder. IF it has H72, it is from a B210 75-78, IF it has H95 it is from a Datsun 210 79-82 Quote Link to comment
Draker Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 22 hours ago, cardinals said: It's a 5 speed. Do you have any idea what the engine block numbers mean? This is worth a good chunk of change. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 Is it a dogleg or H pattern? If dogleg then it's very possible the engine came with it and it's from a '79 210. If H pattern then '80-'81 210. Most of these 5 speeds were snapped up by MG owners that wanted a 5 speed for their cars. The MG and the A series engines are so similar the transmission will fit. Quote Link to comment
cardinals Posted July 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 Ok its just a standard 5 speed and when I took off the valve cover on the left side of the head is the number 728 and on the right side 404. SO what does that mean? On 7/13/2020 at 12:32 PM, cardinals said: Quote Link to comment
cardinals Posted July 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 H pattern tranny. Quote Link to comment
cardinals Posted July 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 The head is an H72. Quote Link to comment
cardinals Posted July 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 Drake what kind of change are we talking about? I do have it up for sale right now on Craigslist and offer up. Quote Link to comment
cardinals Posted July 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 I stand corrected it is a 728 head. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 6 hours ago, cardinals said: H pattern tranny. Then the transmission at least... is an '80-'81. Quote Link to comment
Morrisun Posted July 16, 2020 Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 The 728 cylinder head came on the "FU" engine, small round port, open chamber head, engine produced 65hp and all came with 63a 5 speed transmission in the B210 coupes. It was an economy engine built for good mileage not performance. Compression ratio of 8.5 to 1 and pistons had 5.37mm dish. So this narrows your engine down to a B210 from 77-78. My Datsun 1200 had factory rating of 69hp 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted July 16, 2020 Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 Here I assumed the engine was matched to the later transmission. Good stuff. Quote Link to comment
cardinals Posted July 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 Yes thank you guys for all of your help. Quote Link to comment
KELMO Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 On 7/14/2020 at 5:08 PM, Draker said: This is worth a good chunk of change. Draker...HUSH.😆 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 Someone should get it to keep away from those snobby MG owners. Quote Link to comment
KELMO Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 9 hours ago, datzenmike said: Someone should get it to keep away from those snobby MG owners. True, but the price is about twice what a Datsun Guy (read: cheap bastard) would pay for that particular set up, IMHO. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 Agreed, just the 5 spd. then? Quote Link to comment
KELMO Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 The 5 spd at about $500.00 (maybe). It really depends on location and demand. If I didn't have several "A" blocks and a couple 60 series transmissions laying around, I would be chasing this. What is there, about 5 to 10 1200, B210, 210 folks around this site? Not trying to be a jackass, only offering up my $.02. Quote Link to comment
Draker Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, KELMO said: The 5 spd at about $500.00 (maybe). It really depends on location and demand. If I didn't have several "A" blocks and a couple 60 series transmissions laying around, I would be chasing this. What is there, about 5 to 10 1200, B210, 210 folks around this site? Not trying to be a jackass, only offering up my $.02. mg guys seems to have deeper pockets. I’ve seen them ask 800-1000 for a 60A. Quote Link to comment
KELMO Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 They have to have deeper pockets. The only thing you have to work on more than a Datsun is an MG. OK, now I'm being a jackass. 1 Quote Link to comment
cardinals Posted July 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 The price is negotiable. 1 Quote Link to comment
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