destruction of america

[datzenmike]

 A work visa for a non citizen can be revoked at any time can it not? Hell even an immigrant's citizenship can be revoked for due cause. It's like permission to be on someone's property. If the owner decides he wants you out, even if it was a mistake or based on a mistake, then.... you're out. Just because you are not a criminal here doesn't change anything. If it's decided that you are to be deported then away you go. I wouldn't have anyone in my home I didn't want, for any reason on none at all. 

 

 

[Duncan]

1 hour ago, tr8er said:

He was here on a legally issued work visa.  That is still valid.   Where are you getting your intel?  

 

The question was asked and answered by the Attorney General, and I always forget who the second guy is, but they both lay out exactly the case.  This was from a live press conference directly from the horse's mouth.  I'm seen this everywhere except the network news.  He is married to a US citizen and has a green card.  That does not make you exempt from crimes or deportation.

 

 

Edited April 16 by Duncan

[frankendat]

18 hours ago, Stoffregen Motorsports said:

This thread sucks the life out of this forum...

This thread is a snapshot of blue collar America. I agree with some of it, disagree with some of it, but it has relevance to me, insofar that it expresses concerns and discomforts that I understand, which the legacy media and the local media ignore and most people I meet do not discuss. 

Idaho is all about "inclusiveness" it is on every channel, the radio and the paper. Bernie S. had a rally a couple of days ago and it is all over the internet/TV. NO one and I mean NO one, provides a counter opinion in public. There is a national campaign that started in Boise spouting "Everyone is welcome here" and again dissent is silent. I was here first and there are plenty who are not welcome here. (IF any motherfucker tries to bring up the god damn native Americans, realize you are a pathetic cross-eyed cocksucker and fuck off).

I am fighting the rich who no longer think I should be here, but they lack the balls to force me out in person. 

I  would rather not bitch, I find it unproductive and slightly demeaning, because it is evidence of non action, but action will land me in prison.

What do I know. I know money is tight, which means less time in the garage and more time on the internet. I know there are many who wish to take from me. Their reasons vary, but their goal is clear. So, rather than fighting a rusted bolt, or searching the pick and pull for a prize, I am fighting to keep my house and my freedom. Progress stops on my projects, I  get grumpy and turn to Destruction. 

"Say, something's wrong with anyone who's not like me! "-Floater

[tr8er]

1 hour ago, Duncan said:

 

The question was asked and answered by the Attorney General, and I always forget who the second guy is, but they both lay out exactly the case.  This was from a live press conference directly from the horse's mouth.  I'm seen this everywhere except the network news.  He is married to a US citizen and has a green card.  That does not make you exempt from crimes or deportation.

 

 

He was never found in court to be a membor of MS 13 from what I can find.  He was denied bail in two instances due to an allegation that was not held up in court.  So the AG stating that he was found to be a member of MS13 in two immigration courts was actually just a lie.  Notice how Trump wont say any of these things?  keeping his hands clean of it.  

 

Here's some language from the Supreme Court, not from the guys who fucked up and are covering their ass by flying in the president of a foreign country to look legit:

 

 

The United States Government arrested Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia in Maryland and flew him to a “terrorism confinement center” in El Salvador, where he has been detained for 26 days and counting. To this day, the Government has cited no basis in law for Abrego Garcia’s warrantless arrest, his removal to El Salvador, or his confinement in a Salvadoran prison. Nor could it. The Government remains bound by an Immigration Judge’s 2019 order expressly prohibiting Abrego Garcia’s removal to El Cite as: 604 U. S. ____ (2025) 3 Statement of SOTOMAYOR, J. Salvador because he faced a “clear probability of future persecution” there and “demonstrated that [El Salvador’s] authorities were and would be unable or unwilling to protect him.” App. to Application To Vacate Injunction 13a. The Government has not challenged the validity of that order. Instead of hastening to correct its egregious error, the Government dismissed it as an “oversight.” Decl. of R. Cerna in No. 25–cv–951 (D Md., Mar. 31, 2025), ECF Doc. 11–3, p. 3. The Government now requests an order from this Court permitting it to leave Abrego Garcia, a husband and father without a criminal record, in a Salvadoran prison for no reason recognized by the law. The only argument the Government offers in support of its request, that United States courts cannot grant relief once a deportee crosses the border, is plainly wrong. See Rumsfeld v. Padilla, 542 U. S. 426, 447, n. 16 (2004); cf. Boumediene v. Bush, 553 U. S. 723, 732 (2008). The Government’s argument, moreover, implies that it could deport and incarcerate any person, including U. S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene. See Trump v. J. G. G., 604 U. S. ___, ___ (2025) (SOTOMAYOR, J., dissenting) (slip op., at 8). That view refutes itself. Because every factor governing requests for equitable relief manifestly weighs against the Government, Nken v. Holder, 556 U. S. 418, 426 (2009), I would have declined to intervene in this litigation and denied the application in full. Nevertheless, I agree with the Court’s order that the proper remedy is to provide Abrego Garcia with all the process to which he would have been entitled had he not been unlawfully removed to El Salvador. That means the Government must comply with its obligation to provide Abrego Garcia with “due process of law,” including notice and an opportunity to be heard, in any future proceedings. Reno v. Flores, 507 U. S. 292, 306 (1993). It must also comply with 4 NOEM v. ABREGO GARCIA Statement of SOTOMAYOR, J. its obligations under the Convention Against Torture. See Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, Dec. 10, 1984, S. Treaty Doc. No. 100–20, 1465 U. N. T. S. 113. Federal law governing detention and removal of immigrants continues, of course, to be binding as well. See 8 U. S. C. §1226(a) (requiring a warrant before a noncitizen “may be arrested and detained pending a decision” on removal); 8 CFR §287.8(c)(2)(ii) (2024) (requiring same); see also 8 CFR §241.4(l) (in order to revoke conditional release, the Government must provide adequate notice and “promptly” arrange an “initial informal interview . . . to afford the alien an opportunity to respond to the reasons for the revocation stated in the notification”). Moreover, it has been the Government’s own well-established policy to “facilitate [an] alien’s return to the United States if . . . the alien’s presence is necessary for continued administrative removal proceedings” in cases where a noncitizen has been removed pending immigration proceedings. See U. S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Directive 11061.1, Facilitating the Return to the United States of Certain Lawfully Removed Aliens, §2 (Feb. 24, 2012). In the proceedings on remand, the District Court should continue to ensure that the Government lives up to its obligations to follow the law

 

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf

[john510]

2 minutes ago, tr8er said:

He was never found in court to be a membor of MS 13 from what I can find.  He was denied bail in two instances due to an allegation that was not held up in court.  So the AG stating that he was found to be a member of MS13 in two immigration courts was actually just a lie.  Notice how Trump wont say any of these things?  keeping his hands clean of it.  

 

Here's some language from the Supreme Court, not from the guys who fucked up and are covering their ass by flying in the president of a foreign country to look legit:

 

 

The United States Government arrested Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia in Maryland and flew him to a “terrorism confinement center” in El Salvador, where he has been detained for 26 days and counting. To this day, the Government has cited no basis in law for Abrego Garcia’s warrantless arrest, his removal to El Salvador, or his confinement in a Salvadoran prison. Nor could it. The Government remains bound by an Immigration Judge’s 2019 order expressly prohibiting Abrego Garcia’s removal to El Cite as: 604 U. S. ____ (2025) 3 Statement of SOTOMAYOR, J. Salvador because he faced a “clear probability of future persecution” there and “demonstrated that [El Salvador’s] authorities were and would be unable or unwilling to protect him.” App. to Application To Vacate Injunction 13a. The Government has not challenged the validity of that order. Instead of hastening to correct its egregious error, the Government dismissed it as an “oversight.” Decl. of R. Cerna in No. 25–cv–951 (D Md., Mar. 31, 2025), ECF Doc. 11–3, p. 3. The Government now requests an order from this Court permitting it to leave Abrego Garcia, a husband and father without a criminal record, in a Salvadoran prison for no reason recognized by the law. The only argument the Government offers in support of its request, that United States courts cannot grant relief once a deportee crosses the border, is plainly wrong. See Rumsfeld v. Padilla, 542 U. S. 426, 447, n. 16 (2004); cf. Boumediene v. Bush, 553 U. S. 723, 732 (2008). The Government’s argument, moreover, implies that it could deport and incarcerate any person, including U. S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene. See Trump v. J. G. G., 604 U. S. ___, ___ (2025) (SOTOMAYOR, J., dissenting) (slip op., at 8). That view refutes itself. Because every factor governing requests for equitable relief manifestly weighs against the Government, Nken v. Holder, 556 U. S. 418, 426 (2009), I would have declined to intervene in this litigation and denied the application in full. Nevertheless, I agree with the Court’s order that the proper remedy is to provide Abrego Garcia with all the process to which he would have been entitled had he not been unlawfully removed to El Salvador. That means the Government must comply with its obligation to provide Abrego Garcia with “due process of law,” including notice and an opportunity to be heard, in any future proceedings. Reno v. Flores, 507 U. S. 292, 306 (1993). It must also comply with 4 NOEM v. ABREGO GARCIA Statement of SOTOMAYOR, J. its obligations under the Convention Against Torture. See Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, Dec. 10, 1984, S. Treaty Doc. No. 100–20, 1465 U. N. T. S. 113. Federal law governing detention and removal of immigrants continues, of course, to be binding as well. See 8 U. S. C. §1226(a) (requiring a warrant before a noncitizen “may be arrested and detained pending a decision” on removal); 8 CFR §287.8(c)(2)(ii) (2024) (requiring same); see also 8 CFR §241.4(l) (in order to revoke conditional release, the Government must provide adequate notice and “promptly” arrange an “initial informal interview . . . to afford the alien an opportunity to respond to the reasons for the revocation stated in the notification”). Moreover, it has been the Government’s own well-established policy to “facilitate [an] alien’s return to the United States if . . . the alien’s presence is necessary for continued administrative removal proceedings” in cases where a noncitizen has been removed pending immigration proceedings. See U. S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Directive 11061.1, Facilitating the Return to the United States of Certain Lawfully Removed Aliens, §2 (Feb. 24, 2012). In the proceedings on remand, the District Court should continue to ensure that the Government lives up to its obligations to follow the law

 

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf

Jesus Christ the first 30 seconds of the video tells you two courts found him to be a member of MS-13. WTF more do you need to see or hear ? It's all explained clearly in plain English. Which pro illegal alien site did you copy this from ? He got due process. He was due to be processed right into the type of prison he belongs in. America is a safer and better place without him. 

[Rustbin]

14 hours ago, john510 said:

X isn't a news source at all but it does have links to sources that are news. News the mainstream won't report on. Stick with CNN and MSNBC for the facts you want to hear. You'll feel better about it.

 

My preferred news sources are Reuters, Al Jazeera and BBC, then for Canadian content CBC.

 

Reuters is a news agency owned by Thomson Reuters. It employs around 2,500 journalists and 600 photojournalists in about 200 locations worldwide writing in 16 languages. Reuters is one of the largest news agencies in the world. The agency was established in London in 1851 by the German baron Paul Reuter.

Source: Wikipedia

 

Al Jazeera English is a 24-hour English-language news channel operating under Al Jazeera Media Network, which is partially funded by the government of Qatar. Al Jazeera introduced an English-language division in 2006. It is the first global English-language news channel to be headquartered in the Middle East.

Source: Wikipedia

 

BBC News is an international English-language pay television channel owned by BBC Global News Ltd. – a subsidiary of BBC Studios – and operated by the BBC News division of the BBC.

Source: Wikipedia

 

I miss a lot of the context of the comments made here on Destruction probably because I don't do social media. That may be why I ask seemingly dumb questions.

[tr8er]

40 minutes ago, john510 said:

Jesus Christ the first 30 seconds of the video tells you two courts found him to be a member of MS-13. WTF more do you need to see or hear ? It's all explained clearly in plain English. Which pro illegal alien site did you copy this from ? He got due process. He was due to be processed right into the type of prison he belongs in. America is a safer and better place without him. 

You are literally taking the word of the accused.  He was referencing, as I already pointed out, two denials of bail from an immigration hearings, not convictions.  Nor were they substantiated, nor proved.  They lied.  It really is that simple.  
 

again, he may have been a fucking mass murderer for all I know.  But what I can find is that he is not convicted.  And if that’s not true, lead me to water.  
 

also of interest is Garcia Abrego was a drug lord in the 80’s.  Different guy.  So don’t mix them up.  

[Dguy210]

1 hour ago, tr8er said:

You are literally taking the word of the accused.  He was referencing, as I already pointed out, two denials of bail from an immigration hearings, not convictions.  Nor were they substantiated, nor proved.  They lied.  It really is that simple.  
 

again, he may have been a fucking mass murderer for all I know.  But what I can find is that he is not convicted.  And if that’s not true, lead me to water.  
 

also of interest is Garcia Abrego was a drug lord in the 80’s.  Different guy.  So don’t mix them up.  

He was in the US illegally.

He is Salvadorian.

It is illegal in El Salvador to be part of MS13. El Salvador considers him part of MS13.

He was returned to his home country, his home country put him in jail.

What you are leaving out is his "clear probability of future persecution” was because he was part of MS13 which is illegal in El Salvador, also illegal in the US also. MS13 is also considered a terrorist organization by the USA. 

 

So let's summarize, someone in the USA illegally was returned to his home country. His home country enacted its own laws and put him in jail. 

 

 

Why are you carrying water for someone in the USA illegally? He was sent back to his home.

 

I don't fucking care what his home country does to him. I don't care if he was actually MS13, I don't care if he had a stay order. HE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE USA.

AND HE FUCKING IS OBVIOUSLY MS13 and everyone wants to pretend that it isn't proven. Guess what? Also, don't care. He should never have been in the USA in first place. Not our problem, fuck him.

Edited April 16 by Dguy210

[tr8er]

2 hours ago, Dguy210 said:

He was in the US illegally.

He is Salvadorian.

It is illegal in El Salvador to be part of MS13. El Salvador considers him part of MS13.

He was returned to his home country, his home country put him in jail.

What you are leaving out is his "clear probability of future persecution” was because he was part of MS13 which is illegal in El Salvador, also illegal in the US also. MS13 is also considered a terrorist organization by the USA. 

 

So let's summarize, someone in the USA illegally was returned to his home country. His home country enacted its own laws and put him in jail. 

 

 

Why are you carrying water for someone in the USA illegally? He was sent back to his home.

 

I don't fucking care what his home country does to him. I don't care if he was actually MS13, I don't care if he had a stay order. HE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE USA.

AND HE FUCKING IS OBVIOUSLY MS13 and everyone wants to pretend that it isn't proven. Guess what? Also, don't care. He should never have been in the USA in first place. Not our problem, fuck him.

Honest question.  Why do you think he is obviously in MS13?  
 

and I’ll answer your other question.  I care less about him in particular, and much more about our President going unchecked for deporting people who have a court order to not deport.  If ANY of the three branches of government fail to respect the balance of powers afforded them, I believe it is our civic responsibility to speak up and do what is necessary to restore that balance.  This is obviously not about one immigrant.  Our constitution is what we all agree on.  Nothing is more fundamental than our three equal branches, and the limitations of their powers.  That is why this matters.  

Edited April 16 by tr8er

[bananahamuck]

I can only hope FAT doesn't get out the felt tip marker and write MS13 on her noggin, while she's sleeping ,  if the girl has him wash the dishes again .

 

 

 

 

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Edited April 16 by bananahamuck

[Dguy210]

1 hour ago, tr8er said:

Honest question.  Why do you think he is obviously in MS13?  

1. He goes back either way as he was in the USA illegally. It only matters what his HOME country El Salvador thinks, which is he is in MS13.

2. 2 courts and an informant identified him as being in MS13, his home country thinks he is in MS13. 

3. I don't fucking even care if he is in MS13, he was still in the USA illegally so he went back to his HOME country. I don't care what El Salvador does with him.

4. HE IS NOT AN INNOCENT MAN, merely breaking into the USA is illegal and he was working illegally too, you could also put tax evasion and fraud in their too as related to him living in the USA. All of those mean he DESERVES to be in PRISON. 

5. Either way he is a criminal that does not belong in the USA. 

 

[tr8er]

30 minutes ago, Dguy210 said:

1. He goes back either way as he was in the USA illegally. It only matters what his HOME country El Salvador thinks, which is he is in MS13.

2. 2 courts and an informant identified him as being in MS13, his home country thinks he is in MS13. 

3. I don't fucking even care if he is in MS13, he was still in the USA illegally so he went back to his HOME country. I don't care what El Salvador does with him.

4. HE IS NOT AN INNOCENT MAN, merely breaking into the USA is illegal and he was working illegally too, you could also put tax evasion and fraud in their too as related to him living in the USA. All of those mean he DESERVES to be in PRISON. 

5. Either way he is a criminal that does not belong in the USA. 

 

Illegal entry at 16.  A misdemeanor.  Sent to life in prison.  And after a court issued a stay on his deportation.  
 

You don’t need a social security number to pay taxes.  I doubt he did as well.  But the only one I know does pay taxes.  
 

I can’t actually find anything before his deportation indicating El Salvadore thought he was MS13, and the skeptic in me assumes Bukele is just backing Trump on that regardless.  
 

it all smells like Trumps agents fucked up and they can’t admit fault.  Very on brand. 
 

 

Edit:  this is dumb.  I know it’s not about this guy.  My previous comment is where I’m at.  Respect the courts.  Respect the legislature.  Respect the President.  Stay in their lanes.  

Edited April 16 by tr8er

[john510]

8 hours ago, tr8er said:

You are literally taking the word of the accused.  He was referencing, as I already pointed out, two denials of bail from an immigration hearings, not convictions.  Nor were they substantiated, nor proved.  They lied.  It really is that simple.  
 

again, he may have been a fucking mass murderer for all I know.  But what I can find is that he is not convicted.  And if that’s not true, lead me to water.  
 

also of interest is Garcia Abrego was a drug lord in the 80’s.  Different guy.  So don’t mix them up.  

I'm taking the word of the accused ??????? The accused is in a prison in El Salvador. Make some sense for once. I have a feeling if Dana Bash told you he was an MS-13 gang banger you'd be ok with all of this. You're defending a horrible person and it's pathetic. Do you have to be convicted of being a gang member to be considered a gang member ? Why aren't you defending the hundreds of others that weren't convicted of being a gang member that we shipped off to prison ? Clueless.

[a.d._510_n_ok]

 

[datzenmike]

So much opposite claimed info here, though I'm not surprised in Destruction.

 

1/  Is he here legally or illegally?????

1a/ Does he have a valid work visa???? (this would sort of validate than he is here legally though this can be easily revoked)

 

2/  Is he actually a member of MS-13???? Was he ever convicted of gang activity and involvement???? Is he wanted in San Salvador? If so do they want him back?

 

3/  Was he afforded due process???? A chance to argue his case against deportation? Unlikely to win but have to check all the boxes. But if they were all followed we wouldn't be in this mess so it makes me wonder. This could happen to millions of legal/illegal immigrants that here entered the US illegally through the southern border. If due process was not followed this is a very troubling precedent as no one is safe from the Trump administration so it does matter and his feet should be held to the fire..

 

 

If you are illegally in the US and caught are there not a few formality legal hoops to jump through before you can be deported? He could try to claim refugee status to delay the inevitable. Say that doing back is a prison death sentence. 

 

Abrego Garcia...... next time buddy, don't tell everyone you voted for Biden and always wear a MAGA hat.

[Ooph!]

Immigration court does not have the same rules on evidence, and you do not necessarily receive an in person hearing

"what constitutes evidence is lax in immigration court. Documents do not have to be authenticated, and hearsay, a statement made by someone outside of the court, as opposed to on the witness stand, counts as admissible evidence."

 Is he a gang member? Apparently another gang member said he was so he was picked up in 2019.

While he was in detention he married his then pregnant girlfriend. 

He waited 14 years to apply for asylum, waited until after being placed in detention and after his pregnant girlfriend married him.

The judge denied asylum but gave him a protection order.

 So far ICE isn't raiding the local Homedespot for illegals so something brought him to their attention.

There is video of his arrest, they were there for him he wasn't caught up in some mass arrest.

  As Tr8er said

 "this is dumb.  I know it’s not about this guy.  My previous comment is where I’m at.  Respect the courts.  Respect the legislature.  Respect the President.  Stay in their lanes." 

 I agree it is about something else, I see it as a resistance movement against the Administration throwing up anything they can to weaken and limit the President regardless of how it affects future presidents even their own.

We just lived through a lawless Presidency, one that aided an invasion, flew and bused them around the country. What is the purpose behind it? One possibility is to change demographics which also changes voting results, we see this in all the western world with just a couple of exceptions

 Here now, we are fighting to get them out, and we see the opposition fighting to keep criminals in?

I agree its a messed up situation but sometimes when you are the boss you have to pick a solution that sucks and I see this cock up as one of those. Trumps admin may have screwed up but something brought them to that, the guy was picked up by ICE on purpose. 

 My / our choice is either let the President evict squatters or let everyone in because that's where this is leading. 

My choice is to send them home, let them improve their own countries.

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions

[bottomwatcher]

I have watched several documentaries on this prison. Pretty impressive feat for a poor third world country to pull off. The citizens are pleased with the reduction in violence and they are no longer afraid to leave their homes. Good for them, real progress in the quality of life and no need to flee the country anymore. As far as the "inmates' go definitely scum of the earth covered in gang ink even all over their faces. They are not human and can't be rehabilitated but they can be recycled. Fertilizer, organ donors and lab rats. I guess it's a good thing I am not in charge. The phrase "repeat offender" could be stricken from the dictionary. Plenty of videos out there of this scum. Congrats to El Salvador for cleaning up and protecting thier citizens. 

[frankendat]

15 hours ago, tr8er said:

Honest question.  Why do you think he is obviously in MS13?  
 

and I’ll answer your other question.  I care less about him in particular, and much more about our President going unchecked for deporting people who have a court order to not deport.  If ANY of the three branches of government fail to respect the balance of powers afforded them, I believe it is our civic responsibility to speak up and do what is necessary to restore that balance.  This is obviously not about one immigrant.  Our constitution is what we all agree on.  Nothing is more fundamental than our three equal branches, and the limitations of their powers.  That is why this matters.  

Standing on principle is a valid and righteous position, you are not wrong. Where idealism and reality meet is the riptide of life.

I still watch the Daily Show, when John Stewart hosts, because I like him. I think he lives in the liberal rich dream world and he supports issues and forwards ideas, which I find abhorrent, but I'm old enough to separate what I like from what I don't like. Anyway, I listen to his (tiresome) anti Trump rants, his points are similar to yours, and I am reminded of when I have argued and argued about the slippery slope of losing the 2nd Amendment, only too be rebutted by pictures of dead children (which isn't a rebuttal) but nonetheless the anti gun lobby takes a victory lap. 
 

Under Biden, Patrick Tate Adamiak was sent and is still incarcerated in Federal prison and his firearm charges are without merit. Strange his case has failed to generate the buzz of the El Salvadoran. There is a campaign to have him pardoned by President Trump, but it depends on whether he receives media attention, such is America. 

Adamiak and Abrego Garcia are completely different, but have commonalities, in that, a detailed investigation would exonerate Adamiak and a detailed investigation might exonerate Garcia. The generalizing, simplifying media, dishonored itself (again) by rushing to condemn Adamiak, rushing to call foul for Garcia and creating a public issue that, while connected, is different than the legal issue. (Fostering unrest in America and further distrust of the government/ legal system) 

I do not know the correct course of action. I am not upset about Garcia going away, as I am sure the anti gun cunts are not upset about Adamiak in Federal prison.  I want tougher immigration laws, stronger boarders and more deportation. As I am sure the anti gun cunts want tougher background checks, a stronger ATF and more confiscation. I could go on, but the parallels are clear. I always loop it back to guns, because that is the issue I fully and completely understand. I don't know how many hearings someone is afforded before deportation or the differences between "sneaking across the border" vs. "running across the border because you are fleeing oppression" but I know details matter and the media (both sides) omit or speculate critical details.

I am not sure any of us can have a definitive position on Garcia, because the facts are in play and subject to revision. As of Wed April 16th at 3:30, I believe evidence supports that Garcia should be in prison. It is unclear whether or not he should be in a foreign prison. The only reason to care that he is in a foreign prison is a slippery slope argument, once due process is usurped for one it is gone for all (A call to American idealism) While valid and a legitimate concern, I am confident the slope will not slip to deporting multi-generational native born Americans to foreign prisons in my lifetime. Additionally, I am not convinced that American prisons are worse than living in other countries in poverty. Especially, if connected, e.g. gang affiliated, therefore no longer a deterrent -so fuck him. 

 

[frankendat]

1 hour ago, Ooph! said:

 

 So far ICE isn't raiding the local Homedespot for illegals so something brought him to their attention.

 

I know it is most likely autocorrect but "Home Despot for illegals" is funny

[john510]

2 hours ago, Ooph! said:

Immigration court does not have the same rules on evidence, and you do not necessarily receive an in person hearing

 

"what constitutes evidence is lax in immigration court. Documents do not have to be authenticated, and hearsay, a statement made by someone outside of the court, as opposed to on the witness stand, counts as admissible evidence."

 

 

 Is he a gang member? Apparently another gang member said he was so he was picked up in 2019.

 

While he was in detention he married his then pregnant girlfriend. 

 

He waited 14 years to apply for asylum, waited until after being placed in detention and after his pregnant girlfriend married him.

 

The judge denied asylum but gave him a protection order.

 

 So far ICE isn't raiding the local Homedespot for illegals so something brought him to their attention.

 

There is video of his arrest, they were there for him he wasn't caught up in some mass arrest.

 

 

  As Tr8er said

 

 "this is dumb.  I know it’s not about this guy.  My previous comment is where I’m at.  Respect the courts.  Respect the legislature.  Respect the President.  Stay in their lanes." 

 

 I agree it is about something else, I see it as a resistance movement against the Administration throwing up anything they can to weaken and limit the President regardless of how it affects future presidents even their own.

 

We just lived through a lawless Presidency, one that aided an invasion, flew and bused them around the country. What is the purpose behind it? One possibility is to change demographics which also changes voting results, we see this in all the western world with just a couple of exceptions

 

 Here now, we are fighting to get them out, and we see the opposition fighting to keep criminals in?

 

I agree its a messed up situation but sometimes when you are the boss you have to pick a solution that sucks and I see this cock up as one of those. Trumps admin may have screwed up but something brought them to that, the guy was picked up by ICE on purpose. 

 

 My / our choice is either let the President evict squatters or let everyone in because that's where this is leading. 

 

My choice is to send them home, let them improve their own countries.

 

 

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions

 

The illegals are now afraid to hang out in front of Home Depot. ICE is raiding small businesses near me. A couple weeks ago they raided a powder coating factory and picked up quite a few. They even found living quarters inside the factory which surprised me. We do business with them occasionally and I was really surprised they were raided. It just goes to show you how bad this issue is (illegals) and how well it's kept secret. The Jacuzzi factory I worked at years ago got raided by CBP and boy was that a sight. Fifty Mexicans scattering all over the parking lot that was completely surrounded. Some of them got away and my translator got a phone call from them wanting help. He told the BP agents there were five guys down at the deli by the park. Kind of mean. We lost at least 20 guys. Quite a few were back at work the next day. How I don't know.

[bottomwatcher]

Plenty of illegals in the home depot parking lots in FL. Haven't seen them for years. Still plenty of hurricane clean up to do so not sure why they are around. Maybe better spot rates or nervous employers. Thought about picking one up to help with some moving. Much harder workers than relatives.

[datzenmike]

1 hour ago, frankendat said:

... once due process is usurped for one it is gone for all ...

 

 

Truer words were never spoken. Or you can just round them up and deport and say

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Ooph! said:

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I agree its a messed up situation but sometimes when you are the boss you have to pick a solution that sucks and I see this cock up as one of those. Trumps admin may have screwed up but something brought them to that, the guy was picked up by ICE on purpose...

 

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

 

 

Suspending (or the appearance of) due process is the boss's solution that sucks? Well the TSHTF on this, so the good? is that they'll be more careful in the future? The bad is it may embolden them to take greater shortcuts in human rights in the future.

[Duncan]

Oh the irony. 

 

Letitia James got referred over to the Justice Dept as someone found evidence that she lied on a mortgage application.  We now know full well that is a felony in New York due to her setting the precedent.   

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-govt-agency-seeks-criminal-234012480.html

 

 

 

Edited April 17 by Duncan

[Dguy210]

19 hours ago, tr8er said:

Honest question.  Why do you think he is obviously in MS13?  
 

and I’ll answer your other question.  I care less about him in particular, and much more about our President going unchecked for deporting people who have a court order to not deport.  If ANY of the three branches of government fail to respect the balance of powers afforded them, I believe it is our civic responsibility to speak up and do what is necessary to restore that balance.  This is obviously not about one immigrant.  Our constitution is what we all agree on.  Nothing is more fundamental than our three equal branches, and the limitations of their powers.  That is why this matters.  

Oh look, evidence he was in MS13

https://thepostmillennial.com/revealed-kilmar-abrego-garcia-arrested-in-2019-while-meeting-with-ms-13-members-entered-us-illegally-in-2012

 

Also, he beats his wife:

https://thepostmillennial.com/wife-of-kilmar-garcia-petitioned-for-domestic-violence-protective-order-against-him-in-2021

 

 

Want to still hold water for this shithead and bring him back to the USA.

[datzenmike]

Many domestic violence sufferers ask for protection, perhaps even cohered into it, but at the same time, for good reason, don't want their family broken up. It's a double edged sword. BTW domestic violence (I couldn't find reference to any beating in the link, may have missed it) takes many forms so not necessarily a wife beater. It's just the easiest to believe.