destruction of america

[datzenmike]

He over powered them, (they sure didn't look all beat up) he didn't turn around, the taser was empty and it's not a lethal weapon. I doubt the cops knew what he was on parole for but apparently you can justify beating your kids as reason enough to be killed.  

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[john510]

10 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

He over powered them, (they sure didn't look all beat up) he didn't turn around, the taser was empty and it's not a lethal weapon. I doubt the cops knew what he was on parole for but apparently you can justify beating your kids as reason enough to be killed.  

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You should inform yourself about the taser.

[datzenmike]

It's what I was told, still not a lethal weapon like a real gun.

[john510]

7 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

It's what I was told, still not a lethal weapon like a real gun.

Over a thousand people have died from being tased since about 2000.They call it less lethal,not non lethal.Some police departments consider it a deadly weapon.

[Chopper Jim]

[datzenmike]

Like Hainz said should have just let him go and call back up. Helicopter, dogs. He ain't getting away. 

[Mattndew76]

4 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

Like Hainz said should have just let him go and call back up. Helicopter, dogs. He ain't getting away. 

 

Got my captain hindsight hat on:

 

 I see no reason why they couldn't have just UBER him home with a citation to appear. Problem solved. 

[AlexDeLarge]

1 hour ago, datzenmike said:

He over powered them, (they sure didn't look all beat up) he didn't turn around, the taser was empty and it's not a lethal weapon. I doubt the cops knew what he was on parole for but apparently you can justify beating your kids as reason enough to be killed.  

 .

Don't know what video you're watching......definitely and clearly turned around, discharged the taser towards the officers face (can clearly see the projectiles fly out in the video), Officer Bronson clearly bruised in the face in his "mugshot", among other bruises and lacerations to the arms and hands of both officers.

 

 

So looking at this case, what do we know?

A DUI investigation determined that he was too intoxicated to drive. The bodycam showed the officers being overly nice and polite to him the entire time all the way up until the handcuffs were about to go on, as they should’ve been.

As soon as they tried to cuff him, an all out brawl took place. Not just resisting, but punching them in the face and throwing them around.

He took one officer’s taser, threw him face first into the asphalt, stood up, and took off.
_____________
So let’s pause there and see where we’re at legally.

Charges:
DUI
Obstruction X2 - Felony
Battery on an officer X2
Aggravated assault X2 - Felony
Strong Armed Robbery - Felony
And believe it or not....
Possession of a firearm during the commission of a crime - Felony

Per Georgia Law, a taser is classified as a “less-lethal” FIREARM as they do occasionally cause death.
(OCGA 16-11-106)
________________
These offenses are important because there is a case law called Tennessee v Garner

What Tennessee v Garner states is:
“When a non-violent felon is ordered to stop and submit to police, ignoring that order does not give rise to a reasonable good-faith belief that the use of deadly force is necessary, UNLESS it has been threatened.”

So this goes back to the taser being classified as a firearm that can cause death or great bodily harm.
___________
So,
They fought
He stole the taser
He got up and ran

The 2nd officer chased after him and tried to use his own taser against him, but he didn’t get a good connection.

Brooks then turns, aims the taser at the officer, and fires. Statutorily, this is no different than firing a gun.

(The taser that APD carries has 2 cartridges, so Brooks could have potentially shot the officer twice.)

The officer dropped his taser from his left hand after it appears he was hit by a barb on the video, draws his sidearm, fires 3 shots, falls against a car in the parking lot and Brooks goes down.

Brooks was not only a continuing threat to the officer since he could still fire the taser again, but he also showed and EXTREME desire to get away, with a weapon. So it is not unreasonable to have the fear that he would use that weapon to carjack a motorist sitting in the drive-thru line, take a hostage, or otherwise hurt another innocent party.

What does Georgia Law say about deadly force?
OCGA 17-4-20 (b):
Sheriffs and peace officers may use deadly force:
1.) to apprehend a suspected felon only when the officer reasonably believes that the suspect possesses a deadly weapon. (He did)
2.) to apprehend a suspected felon who possesses any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury. (He did)
3.) to apprehend a suspected felon when the officer reasonably believes that the suspect poses an immediate threat of physical violence to the officer or others (He did)
4.) to apprehend a suspected felon when there is probable cause to believe that the suspect has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm (He did)

The officer only needed one of those requirements, but he had all 4........

Now the reason taser’s are considered “less-lethal” is because when used appropriately, you are “less likely” to kill someone vs using a gun. But Brooks hasn’t been through the training to know how to avoid certain vulnerable parts of the body, and he doesn’t understand how neuromuscular incapacitation (NMI) works, which makes it MORE likely for him to cause great bodily injury or death than if an officer used it.

And just to support the fact that tasers can and do kill, there is an East Point Officer currently sitting in prison for improperly using a taser and killing a man a few years ago.
(Eberhart v Georgia)

“He could’ve shot him in the leg!”

Right off the top, it is unconstitutional to do so. It is considered cruel and unusual punishment to employ a gun in that manner. Either an officer felt deadly force was necessary, or he should use a lesser response.

We could just leave it at that, but that's too much of a cop out, so let's discuss WHY it has been deemed unconstitutional. For one thing, that's an extremely difficult shot to make. The target is quite narrow, and in continuous motion as the suspect runs away/charges the officer. Under the best of conditions trying to hit the leg is challenging...to be generous about it. But in a life or death encounter, the officer's fine motor skills will be eroded by the stress of the encounter making the shot, turning a leg shot into a very low probability feat.

Assuming a round does hit the leg, then what? The only way a shot to the leg would immediately stop a threat is by shattering one of the bones, and stopping the threat is the ultimate goal. While it is very difficult to find a shot to the leg that will immediately stop a threat, it is actually comparatively easy to find shots to the leg which eventually prove fatal. Human legs have very large blood vessels which are essentially unprotected (femoral artery)

Now remember, we’ve had days to sit back, watch videos, discuss, and analyze this entire thing. The officers had less than a minute from the time the fight started, and less than 5 seconds to interpret EVERYTHING you just read while running, getting shot at with a taser, and returning fire.

 

Quit defending the criminal, he lost his ride home when he went apeshit. Also, those days of calling a ride are over anyways because of legislation and city/county red tape bullshit. They want their damn MONEY......

 

 

[datzenmike]

He turned, he didn't 'turn around' because he was running full tilt in the other direction. That, and impaired, and probably never handled a taser before makes a hit more luck that anything else. AND he missed. A hit would be different.

 

Ask anyone if they would choose to be shot in the chest with a/ a hand gun or b/ a taser. Overwhelmingly it would be a taser because everyone believes they are much much less likely to die from it. Many probably don't know that's even possible. Of the 1,000 killed by tasers how many of them had underlying health issues or fell causing head trauma? Do you really believe a trained officer actually aims for less vulnerable areas in the heat of the moment??? It's laughable. 

 

Poorly trained cop gets trashed and his taser taken away from him by a drunk. Blinded by anger looses his temper and self control. Funny how according to you he was justified but ends up in jail as a murderer. Can't both be right. 

 

No one needed to die for this.

 

 

[datzenmike]

1 hour ago, Mattndew76 said:

 

Got my captain hindsight hat on:

 

 I see no reason why they couldn't have just UBER him home with a citation to appear. Problem solved. 

 

Tow the car. Make him walk home. That would hurt the pocketbook. Lots of options.

[AlexDeLarge]

Turn/turned around makes no difference, your post and argument makes no sense Mike. You're reaching  and jumping to conclusions/ heresay with, "he missed",  "underlying conditions and head trauma", "blinded by anger and loses self control" etc. It's weak and your whole argument and commentary went to shit when, in a earlier post, you stated "the taser was empty and not a lethal weapon". My post stated the facts, there is no gray area for your devil's advocacy. I said my peace, he won't be prosecuted, you obviously don't know what in the hell your talking about and furthermore.......I'm god damn right.

[datzenmike]

So, why is cop in jail for murder again??

[Jesse C.]

1 hour ago, datzenmike said:

So, why is cop in jail for murder again??

 

Because of overreacting Lefty Fucks? DA is up for Re-Election? Blind unfounded and propagated fucking Rage? Because they are screaming for justice but won't let justice take it's due course? 

 

I don't know, tell us why. 

[datzenmike]

I'll ask the questions.

[Draker]

1 hour ago, Jesse C. said:

 

Because of overreacting Lefty Fucks? DA is up for Re-Election? Blind unfounded and propagated fucking Rage? Because they are screaming for justice but won't let justice take it's due course? 

 

I don't know, tell us why. 

because of the overcharge, he will probably not be indicted. Prosecutors will hope for a plea and defense attorneys will go for the jury. 
 

Imagine the rage that will ensue.

[ratpatrol66]

My first thought is comply. But George Floyd did that and still died a slow painful death. Black people don't trust the cops and cops don't trust black people!!! Fucked up situation and fucked up beliefs.

[banzai510(hainz)]

What Black people don't trust Black People.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

A long time ago Jessie Jackson was in the Hood walking down a dark alley and when he saw white people he was relieved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Simple don't do anything you not suppose to do.

 do as the cops say

 

this gives about a 98% survival rate. anything else

 

Now as for Laws as a DUI the lawmakes want to change the Law if your drunk driving and they want to change it let them do it and see what happens when people get killed cause they don't want to pull someone over as they might hit the news cycle as a rasist.

The Bubba Wallace Noose already is a Jessie Smolett hoax now as we see.All Charges will be dropped.  rope for the garage door. Are you fucking kidding me. To late they pulled down Georrge Washington Statue already!!!!!!!!

 

As for the Seattle Hill Top?

Its like Chairman Mao( the left extreme Democrats) thay brain wash the peasants come in and go to store owners and ask them why do you charge so much and make a profit? Mao sent them to re education camps. He had the right thing going on with income equality. You all make the same working on the collective.  They even got rid of Bernie Sanders when he was on the Kubbutz  . He had lots of ideas but didn't want to work. He was the laziest

 

As for the get what you deserve?Trump. My stocks shot up and my taxes went down when one can do a 1040 tax form in like 20mins. my decudtible actually doubled sinece my house is paid off.  Whats not to like?

I agree 98% with trumps policies. Obama , Bush and Clinton who looks like a right winger now gave America away with Free foreign money Bad trade deals, free Nato protection ect...Open Borders.   IP theft.

taxing our export at sometimes 2 -3 times the rate as their stuff come in.  Im just tired of it!!!!!!!, Saying we pollute the earth when India and China are the worst affenders. Tired of it!!!!!!!!!!!

Like I said Im out of the stock market in October . if Biden Wins putyou money in "Visiting Angels" stock

 

Edited June 24, 2020 by banzai510(hainz)

[john510]

12 hours ago, AlexDeLarge said:

Don't know what video you're watching......definitely and clearly turned around, discharged the taser towards the officers face (can clearly see the projectiles fly out in the video), Officer Bronson clearly bruised in the face in his "mugshot", among other bruises and lacerations to the arms and hands of both officers.

 

 

So looking at this case, what do we know?

A DUI investigation determined that he was too intoxicated to drive. The bodycam showed the officers being overly nice and polite to him the entire time all the way up until the handcuffs were about to go on, as they should’ve been.

As soon as they tried to cuff him, an all out brawl took place. Not just resisting, but punching them in the face and throwing them around.

He took one officer’s taser, threw him face first into the asphalt, stood up, and took off.
_____________
So let’s pause there and see where we’re at legally.

Charges:
DUI
Obstruction X2 - Felony
Battery on an officer X2
Aggravated assault X2 - Felony
Strong Armed Robbery - Felony
And believe it or not....
Possession of a firearm during the commission of a crime - Felony

Per Georgia Law, a taser is classified as a “less-lethal” FIREARM as they do occasionally cause death.
(OCGA 16-11-106)
________________
These offenses are important because there is a case law called Tennessee v Garner

What Tennessee v Garner states is:
“When a non-violent felon is ordered to stop and submit to police, ignoring that order does not give rise to a reasonable good-faith belief that the use of deadly force is necessary, UNLESS it has been threatened.”

So this goes back to the taser being classified as a firearm that can cause death or great bodily harm.
___________
So,
They fought
He stole the taser
He got up and ran

The 2nd officer chased after him and tried to use his own taser against him, but he didn’t get a good connection.

Brooks then turns, aims the taser at the officer, and fires. Statutorily, this is no different than firing a gun.

(The taser that APD carries has 2 cartridges, so Brooks could have potentially shot the officer twice.)

The officer dropped his taser from his left hand after it appears he was hit by a barb on the video, draws his sidearm, fires 3 shots, falls against a car in the parking lot and Brooks goes down.

Brooks was not only a continuing threat to the officer since he could still fire the taser again, but he also showed and EXTREME desire to get away, with a weapon. So it is not unreasonable to have the fear that he would use that weapon to carjack a motorist sitting in the drive-thru line, take a hostage, or otherwise hurt another innocent party.

What does Georgia Law say about deadly force?
OCGA 17-4-20 (b):
Sheriffs and peace officers may use deadly force:
1.) to apprehend a suspected felon only when the officer reasonably believes that the suspect possesses a deadly weapon. (He did)
2.) to apprehend a suspected felon who possesses any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury. (He did)
3.) to apprehend a suspected felon when the officer reasonably believes that the suspect poses an immediate threat of physical violence to the officer or others (He did)
4.) to apprehend a suspected felon when there is probable cause to believe that the suspect has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm (He did)

The officer only needed one of those requirements, but he had all 4........

Now the reason taser’s are considered “less-lethal” is because when used appropriately, you are “less likely” to kill someone vs using a gun. But Brooks hasn’t been through the training to know how to avoid certain vulnerable parts of the body, and he doesn’t understand how neuromuscular incapacitation (NMI) works, which makes it MORE likely for him to cause great bodily injury or death than if an officer used it.

And just to support the fact that tasers can and do kill, there is an East Point Officer currently sitting in prison for improperly using a taser and killing a man a few years ago.
(Eberhart v Georgia)

“He could’ve shot him in the leg!”

Right off the top, it is unconstitutional to do so. It is considered cruel and unusual punishment to employ a gun in that manner. Either an officer felt deadly force was necessary, or he should use a lesser response.

We could just leave it at that, but that's too much of a cop out, so let's discuss WHY it has been deemed unconstitutional. For one thing, that's an extremely difficult shot to make. The target is quite narrow, and in continuous motion as the suspect runs away/charges the officer. Under the best of conditions trying to hit the leg is challenging...to be generous about it. But in a life or death encounter, the officer's fine motor skills will be eroded by the stress of the encounter making the shot, turning a leg shot into a very low probability feat.

Assuming a round does hit the leg, then what? The only way a shot to the leg would immediately stop a threat is by shattering one of the bones, and stopping the threat is the ultimate goal. While it is very difficult to find a shot to the leg that will immediately stop a threat, it is actually comparatively easy to find shots to the leg which eventually prove fatal. Human legs have very large blood vessels which are essentially unprotected (femoral artery)

Now remember, we’ve had days to sit back, watch videos, discuss, and analyze this entire thing. The officers had less than a minute from the time the fight started, and less than 5 seconds to interpret EVERYTHING you just read while running, getting shot at with a taser, and returning fire.

 

Quit defending the criminal, he lost his ride home when he went apeshit. Also, those days of calling a ride are over anyways because of legislation and city/county red tape bullshit. They want their damn MONEY......

 

 

Nice job,never mind Mike.He's blinded by his Liberalism and thinks tasers aren't deadly weapons.

[john510]

4 hours ago, ratpatrol66 said:

My first thought is comply. But George Floyd did that and still died a slow painful death. Black people don't trust the cops and cops don't trust black people!!! Fucked up situation and fucked up beliefs.

Floyd DID NOT comply.Why do you think he was pinned to the ground ? You missed some of the video.

[datzenmike]

Once on ground in cuffs, not a threat. I guess he could kick or bight you but in all, not a deadly threat. If cop with 2 helpers can't control someone under these conditions he's incompetent and un professional. Now he's a murderer with a long history that has caught up with him and off the streets. Good riddance. This didn't need to happen.

[Chopper Jim]

No

 

 

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Good

 

 

 

[420n620]

burned cross found in Bubba Wallace's stall yesterday.

 

 

[banzai510(hainz)]

Bubba is finished He is with Jesse Smolett  both shamed Don Lemmon.  I thought this was a Jessie case 2 days ago.

 

People are sick of this and the Chop/Chaz. this will all backfire one day,

Be honest the More Left they go Nancy Pelosi will get ousted from within

Edited June 24, 2020 by banzai510(hainz)

[I'm BLUE]

 

 

 

Edited June 24, 2020 by I'm BLUE
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[john510]

55 minutes ago, banzai510(hainz) said:

Bubba is finished He is with Jesse Smolett  both shamed Don Lemmon.  I thought this was a Jessie case 2 days ago.

 

People are sick of this and the Chop/Chaz. this will all backfire one day,

Be honest the More Left they go Nancy Pelosi will get ousted from within

Bubba,the media and BLM were seriously disappointed he couldn't turn this into more.Now i'd like to know what idiot found the rope and assumed it was a noose and ran with it ? Should i remove the rope hanging from my garage door so i don't offend anybody ? It's got a loop tied with an overhand knot but if you're overly paranoid you could say it was a noose.