destruction of america

[john510]

8 hours ago, Xiao_Hu said:

I think the biggest reason why California constantly has the worst wildfires is because of poor forest management. They didn't let fires burn for years when the forests are naturally designed to do that so all the brush built up. 

 

Now the environmentalist won't allow loggers to clear cut which is the only way logging companies are willing to do it because that's the way that you clear out the brush and at the same time get profit. And yes clear cutting you replant and you can save some seedlings along the way and do it in strips so that you're not completely destroying a forest. If you do this enough times, you end up making the forest more resilient. 

 

But in general it's shit like this that makes me wonder the sustainability of continuing to settle Southern California. Seriously we should not be irrigating deserts. 

 

Very little sympathy for the people who stayed and the people who are losing their homes at this point. They've been warned for more than 20 years that their lifestyle is unsustainable and now they're getting what's coming to them. 

Has anybody ever told you what an asshole you can be ? WTF does lifestyle have to do with fires ? I don't like the liberal nuts in L.A. either but I do feel bad for those that lost their homes because of wildfires. And yes I place some blame on liberal policies for contributing to these fires but people lost everything they owned and will never get it back. What is it us Californians were warned about ? And the first couple of paragraphs, thanks Captain Obvious nobody knew any of that. LOL.

[datzenmike]

Lifestyle: Living away from the cities in rural areas such as the woods where there's little to no protection from wildfires. In some cases actually contributing to the fire danger hydro lines, poor management of the property, building materials.

 

People are people they do what they want but these areas have high winds, are dry and fires are normal and remove built up fuel. To live there without consideration of the risks and trying to alter natural way of things is risky just for a view or location. These fires were here before people and they may have actually made it worse.

[Duncan]

The local news is reporting that the LA Mayor and Fire Chief missed the honchos press conference this evening.  In an earlier interview today the Chief was criticizing the Mayor over the big budget cuts to the FD. It was reported that the two were in a meeting and couldn't make the press conference.

 

Funny, Newsom blames the locals for the lack of water, the Chief blames the Mayor, and the Mayor has a very Kamala-esque way of answering/not-answering questions.

 

 

 

[Xiao_Hu]

3 hours ago, john510 said:

Has anybody ever told you what an asshole you can be ? WTF does lifestyle have to do with fires ? I don't like the liberal nuts in L.A. either but I do feel bad for those that lost their homes because of wildfires. And yes I place some blame on liberal policies for contributing to these fires but people lost everything they owned and will never get it back. What is it us Californians were warned about ? And the first couple of paragraphs, thanks Captain Obvious nobody knew any of that. LOL

Southern California has been having increasingly bad wildfires for a long fucking time and people have plenty of notice to, you know, leave LA behind? Like a sensible person. You think I'm bad on california? You should see what I've been saying about Florida after this past storm season. Same problem different cause. 

 

I don't have any sympathy for people who chose to live in a fire prone area. Especially the ultra wealthy. James woods. Paris Hilton? Heidi Montag? Fuck them they have insurance and three homes elsewhere. Everyone else in LA lives in tiny houses or apartments struggling to get but and have had multiple opportunities to leave. Why didn't they? You always have a choice. 

 

Also the sooner that SoCal burns to the ground and depopulates, the sooner they stop being water thieves for the Colorado river. Y'all are taking way more water than it sustainable. Ever wondered why coloradans hate you guys as much as Texans? 

 

For my part, fucking love Texans. They're some of the freest bastards. 

 

2 hours ago, datzenmike said:

Lifestyle: Living away from the cities in rural areas such as the woods where there's little to no protection from wildfires. In some cases actually contributing to the fire danger hydro lines, poor management of the property, building materials.

 

People are people they do what they want but these areas have high winds, are dry and fires are normal and remove built up fuel. To live there without consideration of the risks and trying to alter natural way of things is risky just for a view or location. These fires were here before people and they may have actually made it worse.

Out east we know how to manage our forests. They aren't massive old growth but they are absolutely there, just fragmented much more in order to help control spreads. We clear cut, replant, and do it every few years in places close to residential areas, each time moving the location of the strip. 

 

And yes their policies have made it worse. 10AM fire rules, no controlled burns, etc. 

Edited January 11 by Xiao_Hu
Eat the rich

[john510]

15 minutes ago, Xiao_Hu said:

Southern California has been having increasingly bad wildfires for a long fucking time and people have plenty of notice to, you know, leave LA behind? Like a sensible person. You think I'm bad on california? You should see what I've been saying about Florida after this past storm season. Same problem different cause. 

 

I don't have any sympathy for people who chose to live in a fire prone area. Especially the ultra wealthy. James woods. Paris Hilton? Heidi Montag? Fuck them they have insurance and three homes elsewhere. Everyone else in LA lives in tiny houses or apartments struggling to get but and have had multiple opportunities to leave. Why didn't they? You always have a choice. 

 

Also the sooner that SoCal burns to the ground and depopulates, the sooner they stop being water thieves for the Colorado river. Y'all are taking way more water than it sustainable. Ever wondered why coloradans hate you guys as much as Texans? 

 

For my part, fucking love Texans. They're some of the freest bastards. 

 

Out east we know how to manage our forests. They aren't massive old growth but they are absolutely there, just fragmented much more in order to help control spreads. We clear cut, replant, and do it every few years in places close to residential areas, each time moving the location of the strip. 

 

And yes their policies have made it worse. 10AM fire rules, no controlled burns, etc. 

What a wackjob. 

[paradime]

On 6/11/2020 at 12:33 PM, iceman510 said:

OK, should have watched the video first.  Those are stupid bumper cars and most people are just driving around the loop.  Hey wait, that's JUST LIKE Nascar!

Same could be said for our government. Stupid bumper cars driving around the same loop.

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[Xiao_Hu]

2 hours ago, john510 said:

What a wackjob. 

I'm not the one who kneels at the holy altar of neoconservatism and begs the politicians to mack in my mouth. I'm also not the one living in denial that my state is unsafe and harmful to my health. 

 

The majority of areas affected are affluent, white neighborhoods. You think I'm going to feel sorry for someone who's going to end up getting more money on their homeowners insurance than their house is worth? There's nobody to have empathy for. 

[john510]

6 hours ago, Xiao_Hu said:

I'm not the one who kneels at the holy altar of neoconservatism and begs the politicians to mack in my mouth. I'm also not the one living in denial that my state is unsafe and harmful to my health. 

 

The majority of areas affected are affluent, white neighborhoods. You think I'm going to feel sorry for someone who's going to end up getting more money on their homeowners insurance than their house is worth? There's nobody to have empathy for. 

Are you really this clueless ? A lot of those people had no insurance because insurance companies cancelled fire protection in California. They won't get a penny. No insurance company pays out more than a home is worth. Where do you get that from ? And WTF does being white have to do with anything ? How is living in California unsafe for my health ? Unbelievable. 

[datzenmike]

Just asking.... how do you maintain a mortgage on a home that has no insurance? The holder (bank?) would have no protection for their money. If house burns down you aren't going to keep paying the loan, it defaults and the bank is left up the creek. Isn't mortgage conditional on insurance?

 

 

[difrangia]

I make it a point to never miss James Howard Kunstler's posting on Monday and Friday critiquing current sociopolitical happenings. Linked his posting of yesterday on the CA fires. He mentions Adam Corolla who I believe lost his house in one of the fires. Mr. Corolla has assembled an epic collection of historically important Nissan/Datsun vehicles, many of them historic racing machines. I've looked around on the net and can't find anything about the collection in regards to the fires. Anyone seen anything on this ??

 

https://www.theburningplatform.com/2025/01/10/apocalypse-still-unspooling/#more-358102

 

Corolla is a very interesting individual.

 

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a30089162/adam-carolla-paul-newman-car-collection/

 

Little bonus for Nissan/Datsun people. Paul Newman racing vid created/produced by Adam Corolla. Gonna sniff it out and watch tonite; get Sweetie-Pie to pop some corn.

 

https://www.imdb.com/video/vi560378137/?ref_=tt_vi_i_2

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[a.d._510_n_ok]

26 minutes ago, difrangia said:

 He mentions Adam Corolla who I believe lost his house in one of the fires. Mr. Corolla has assembled an epic collection of historically important Nissan/Datsun vehicles, many of them historic racing machines. I've looked around on the net and can't find anything about the collection in regards to the fires. Anyone seen anything on this?

Here he talks about the time he applied to be a LA firefighter 🚒 

[Duncan]

I'm not sure where it is, but he does have a shop.  Him and his wife divorced a few years back, and I've heard him mention he has a condo.  

[thisismatt]

2 hours ago, datzenmike said:

Just asking.... how do you maintain a mortgage on a home that has no insurance? The holder (bank?) would have no protection for their money. If house burns down you aren't going to keep paying the loan, it defaults and the bank is left up the creek. Isn't mortgage conditional on insurance?

 

 

Yes, it is. You don't think people have paid for houses in California? There are people/families that have owned their homes for generations and could never afford to rebuild. Not everyone in CA is excessively wealthy, they just have lived there long enough to have gotten in before the insanity went through the roof. 

[john510]

2 hours ago, difrangia said:

I make it a point to never miss James Howard Kunstler's posting on Monday and Friday critiquing current sociopolitical happenings. Linked his posting of yesterday on the CA fires. He mentions Adam Corolla who I believe lost his house in one of the fires. Mr. Corolla has assembled an epic collection of historically important Nissan/Datsun vehicles, many of them historic racing machines. I've looked around on the net and can't find anything about the collection in regards to the fires. Anyone seen anything on this ??

 

https://www.theburningplatform.com/2025/01/10/apocalypse-still-unspooling/#more-358102

 

Corolla is a very interesting individual.

 

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a30089162/adam-carolla-paul-newman-car-collection/

What a great article from the first link. So spot on.

[john510]

2 minutes ago, thisismatt said:

Yes, it is. You don't think people have paid for houses in California? There are people/families that have owned their homes for generations and could never afford to rebuild. Not everyone in CA is excessively wealthy, they just have lived there long enough to have gotten in before the insanity went through the roof. 

Correct. I'm paid for and still insured. If I become uninsured and lose the house in a fire I'm screwed. I can't afford to rebuild here in California. Hell I couldn't afford to buy a house here anymore. 

[difrangia]

2 hours ago, john510 said:

What a great article from the first link. So spot on.

 

Link to JHK's page; a man with a way of words and keen observation. Some won't accept his perspective but he's very eloquent in presenting a number of my views on contemporary social and political issues. Victor David Hanson (Californian) is also pretty much on top of current issues and a master at interpreting/presenting them to the general common sensical person.

 

https://www.kunstler.com/

 

Edited January 11 by difrangia

[Ooph!]

4 hours ago, datzenmike said:

Just asking.... how do you maintain a mortgage on a home that has no insurance? The holder (bank?) would have no protection for their money. If house burns down you aren't going to keep paying the loan, it defaults and the bank is left up the creek. Isn't mortgage conditional on insurance?

 

 

 

 Oct 23 purchased my current property in Auburn, Ca  area and paid roughly $900 for good insurance coverage.

Three cancellations later with periods of no insurance all of the agents I spoke with are now saying California Fair Plan is the only option and that is what I have now, $2000 for the fire Insurance and $600 for everything else with a private Co.

 It is in the foothills of the Sierra's, rolling grass covered hillsides with oak trees and some brush.

Most properties in my immediate area are fairly well managed but unless you scrape it to bare dirt it's always going to be a fire hazard.

i know there are a few Ratsun members in this area I've seen post I would bet they are in the same boat maybe excepting they were a long term customer and have not been cancelled.

 If the rules and regulations allowed them to make a profit we would have insurance but the government has made it so difficult they are all saying no to business in California.

Edited January 11 by Ooph!

[Xiao_Hu]

5 hours ago, datzenmike said:

Just asking.... how do you maintain a mortgage on a home that has no insurance? The holder (bank?) would have no protection for their money. If house burns down you aren't going to keep paying the loan, it defaults and the bank is left up the creek. Isn't mortgage conditional on insurance?

 

 

Technically you're supposed to if you have a mortgage yes. Some people forego it but at that point it's time to sell the house and move if you can't maintain insurance. If the house is paid for and you don't have insurance that's called being a retard. If your insurance company cancels on short notice it's time to either sue, sell or find another insurance company FAST. 

 

I'm still not seeing where I should have sympathy for people who are in denial about it. Three of my friends in Tampa suffered flooding in the past year and their insurance company canceled. Two took the repair payout to pay down the house mortgage as much as possible and sold the house to move. The last one is being stubborn but he has at least decided to do something smart and negotiated with his insurance company and they have agreed to help him pay for raising a house on pilings. That's not an option for everybody and he's extremely rich but there you go. 

 

The Palisades fire is affecting two areas that are heavily populated: Malibu and northern Santa Monica. These areas are rich. 

 

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Malibu_CA/overview

 

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Santa-Monica_CA/overview

 

If you're telling me you can't fucking insure your house then you deserve what happens. I don't want to be a shit person here but listen why am I supposed to feel sympathy for people who are living in denial? Because this happens every fucking year and it's gotten worse every fucking year. Are you going to sit there and tell me that every time I should bring out my handkerchief and wallet? Because I don't for Florida. I straight up told my friends that if they stayed they were going to fuck themselves financially unless they made changes to their house and compromised their lifestyles. 

 

And because I know that y'all are gonna mention it:

 

https://www.zillow.com/home-values/47019/pasadena-ca/

 

https://www.redfin.com/city/21169/CA/Altadena/housing-market

 

Yeah no sympathy for rich white people who make stupid decisions sorry. 

 

By comparison, here's a semi close county to me and an idea of our housing market:

 

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/King-George-County_VA

 

Less than half. We get very little wildfire activity, we have had exactly one earthquake that you can feel over the past 200 years, no hurricanes, little snow, reliable power, plenty of fucking water. 

 

I'm sorry but by comparison I'm living in fucking paradise and we can afford homeowner insurance out here despite being fucking broke. So stay mad. 

Edited January 11 by Xiao_Hu

[thisismatt]

2 hours ago, Ooph! said:

 

 Oct 23 purchased my current property in Auburn, Ca  area and paid roughly $900 for good insurance coverage.

Three cancellations later with periods of no insurance all of the agents I spoke with are now saying California Fair Plan is the only option and that is what I have now, $2000 for the fire Insurance and $600 for everything else with a private Co.

 It is in the foothills of the Sierra's, rolling grass covered hillsides with oak trees and some brush.

Most properties in my immediate area are fairly well managed but unless you scrape it to bare dirt it's always going to be a fire hazard.

i know there are a few Ratsun members in this area I've seen post I would bet they are in the same boat maybe excepting they were a long term customer and have not been cancelled.

 If the rules and regulations allowed them to make a profit we would have insurance but the government has made it so difficult they are all saying no to business in California.

 

You got a bargain.  I'm now paying nearly that much insurance for my podunk house in the midwest.  The entire industry is f'd, home & auto.  Personally, I'm tired of paying premiums to subsidize the wealthy and their $100,000 vehicles and multimillion dollar homes.  

[Xiao_Hu]

1 hour ago, thisismatt said:

 

You got a bargain.  I'm now paying nearly that much insurance for my podunk house in the midwest.  The entire industry is f'd, home & auto.  Personally, I'm tired of paying premiums to subsidize the wealthy and their $100,000 vehicles and multimillion dollar homes.  

It is a problem for sure. Same issue with the health insurance system because we're subsidizing the sick people when we're healthier. People want to argue that it's part of taking care of our own etc but it's all arbitrary and up to their discretion. 

[john510]

2 hours ago, Xiao_Hu said:

Technically you're supposed to if you have a mortgage yes. Some people forego it but at that point it's time to sell the house and move if you can't maintain insurance. If the house is paid for and you don't have insurance that's called being a retard. If your insurance company cancels on short notice it's time to either sue, sell or find another insurance company FAST. 

 

I'm still not seeing where I should have sympathy for people who are in denial about it. Three of my friends in Tampa suffered flooding in the past year and their insurance company canceled. Two took the repair payout to pay down the house mortgage as much as possible and sold the house to move. The last one is being stubborn but he has at least decided to do something smart and negotiated with his insurance company and they have agreed to help him pay for raising a house on pilings. That's not an option for everybody and he's extremely rich but there you go. 

 

The Palisades fire is affecting two areas that are heavily populated: Malibu and northern Santa Monica. These areas are rich. 

 

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Malibu_CA/overview

 

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Santa-Monica_CA/overview

 

If you're telling me you can't fucking insure your house then you deserve what happens. I don't want to be a shit person here but listen why am I supposed to feel sympathy for people who are living in denial? Because this happens every fucking year and it's gotten worse every fucking year. Are you going to sit there and tell me that every time I should bring out my handkerchief and wallet? Because I don't for Florida. I straight up told my friends that if they stayed they were going to fuck themselves financially unless they made changes to their house and compromised their lifestyles. 

 

And because I know that y'all are gonna mention it:

 

https://www.zillow.com/home-values/47019/pasadena-ca/

 

https://www.redfin.com/city/21169/CA/Altadena/housing-market

 

Yeah no sympathy for rich white people who make stupid decisions sorry. 

 

By comparison, here's a semi close county to me and an idea of our housing market:

 

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/King-George-County_VA

 

Less than half. We get very little wildfire activity, we have had exactly one earthquake that you can feel over the past 200 years, no hurricanes, little snow, reliable power, plenty of fucking water. 

 

I'm sorry but by comparison I'm living in fucking paradise and we can afford homeowner insurance out here despite being fucking broke. So stay mad. 

You can't forego home insurance if you have a mortgage. You can stop paying for it but's going to be added into your mortgage payment by the lender. Which means you're paying for it. Lenders aren't stupid.

[mrbigtanker]

7 minutes ago, john510 said:

You can't forego home insurance if you have a mortgage. You can stop paying for it but's going to be added into your mortgage payment by the lender. Which means you're paying for it. Lenders aren't stupid.

10,000,000,000,000% correct. 

[Xiao_Hu]

11 minutes ago, john510 said:

You can't forego home insurance if you have a mortgage. You can stop paying for it but's going to be added into your mortgage payment by the lender. Which means you're paying for it. Lenders aren't stupid.

Not all lenders find out right away.