gh0stwerx76 Posted October 28 Report Share Posted October 28 So sitting in traffic, it was the surge and stop kind, I had YouTube playing on my phone, it was trump talking about a threat to the auto industry from China, I wasn't watching just listening and then I hear him introduce Elon to the stage. I look down for just a second to see him run out and say Im not just MAGA im DARK MAGA.. For a moment I didnt get it but then I looked around, I was surrounded by teslas in traffic! Hmm CHINA is a threat to Detroit? Aside from Volvo does anyone know what cars here in the US are Chinese made or owned? 1 Quote Link to comment
Ooph! Posted October 28 Report Share Posted October 28 2 hours ago, gh0stwerx76 said: So sitting in traffic, it was the surge and stop kind, I had YouTube playing on my phone, it was trump talking about a threat to the auto industry from China, I wasn't watching just listening and then I hear him introduce Elon to the stage. I look down for just a second to see him run out and say Im not just MAGA im DARK MAGA.. For a moment I didnt get it but then I looked around, I was surrounded by teslas in traffic! Hmm CHINA is a threat to Detroit? Aside from Volvo does anyone know what cars here in the US are Chinese made or owned? I don't know if the famous brands are Chinese owned but on Wiki it states that they are involved with many aspects of the automobile manufacturing business and there are a lot of partnering deals back and forth, so to me it looks like the manufacturers did the same as everyone before them and have become dependent and commingled to such an extent the Chinese are now the leaders of the industry or very close to it. : " 2009 13,790,000 25.0% Surpassing the United States as the world's largest automobile producer 2010 18,260,000 24.2% The largest number of production by any nation in history 2015 24,500,000 27.43% Became the world largest EV producer 2017 29,020,000 30.19% 2022 27,021,000 31.8% Surpassing Germany as the world's second largest car exporter 2023 30,161,000 33.8% The highest production record in history, surpassing Japan as the world's largest car exporter" 2 Quote Link to comment
john510 Posted October 28 Report Share Posted October 28 5 hours ago, gh0stwerx76 said: So sitting in traffic, it was the surge and stop kind, I had YouTube playing on my phone, it was trump talking about a threat to the auto industry from China, I wasn't watching just listening and then I hear him introduce Elon to the stage. I look down for just a second to see him run out and say Im not just MAGA im DARK MAGA.. For a moment I didnt get it but then I looked around, I was surrounded by teslas in traffic! Hmm CHINA is a threat to Detroit? Aside from Volvo does anyone know what cars here in the US are Chinese made or owned? I would guess many of the components on newer vehicles are made in China. How about non factory replacement parts ? You know a lot of that is Chinese. 2 Quote Link to comment
Ooph! Posted October 28 Report Share Posted October 28 A little October surprise Tim Walz had secret fling with daughter of top Chinese Communist official during teaching stint in China "Knowing now that he wasn't going to marry me made me feel cheap and common, as if I was being treated like a prostitute." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14012181/tim-walz-fling-china-communist-daughter-kamala-harris-vp.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490 2 Quote Link to comment
paradime Posted October 28 Report Share Posted October 28 Warning: if you don't want to see how your consent is manufactured through political psychology and mass media hypnoses, keep your party blinders on and ignore the links below. Not BSing here, it's the reality of how power and greed fight for control of a $27 trillion dolor business. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23808985.2021.1976070 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364661321000516 https://jspp.psychopen.eu/index.php/jspp https://www.nature.com/articles/s44159-021-00006-y https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/pops.12797 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8627840/ https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/abs/psychological-sources-of-political-belief-selfesteem-and-isolationist-attitudes/4AA5091023A99706C762E09C6DB6D16F https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/10659129241261374?icid=int.sj-full-text.citing-articles.23 https://www.nature.com/articles/s44271-024-00089-2https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9751515/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9751515/ Quote Link to comment
iceman510 Posted October 28 Report Share Posted October 28 And your solution, at least in the political realm? Do you not vote, because as you continuously note, both parties are trying to brainwash us? Or do you alone possess the antidote, therefore your voting decisions (so much superior to everyone else) are free of any subversion? Genuinely curious how you see it. 2 Quote Link to comment
iceman510 Posted October 28 Report Share Posted October 28 6 hours ago, Ooph! said: I don't know if the famous brands are Chinese owned but on Wiki it states that they are involved with many aspects of the automobile manufacturing business and there are a lot of partnering deals back and forth, so to me it looks like the manufacturers did the same as everyone before them and have become dependent and commingled to such an extent the Chinese are now the leaders of the industry or very close to it. : One of the biggest aspects is the requirement by the Chinese government that any joint venture for manufacturing there has to include transference of intellectual property. They essentially don't have to steal your technology and designs, you hand them over. China made auto parts still struggle with quality control in many cases, but they are getting better. They are often chosen as a lowest-cost global commodity supplier, usually beating Mexico or even Thailand, which have fairly long histories of automotive manufacturing (the original low cost alternatives to the US and Europe). 4 Quote Link to comment
thisismatt Posted October 29 Report Share Posted October 29 8 hours ago, Ooph! said: A little October surprise Tim Walz had secret fling with daughter of top Chinese Communist official during teaching stint in China "Knowing now that he wasn't going to marry me made me feel cheap and common, as if I was being treated like a prostitute." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14012181/tim-walz-fling-china-communist-daughter-kamala-harris-vp.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490 Every time I see Tim Walz... 3 Quote Link to comment
paradime Posted October 29 Report Share Posted October 29 5 hours ago, iceman510 said: And your solution, at least in the political realm? Do you not vote, because as you continuously note, both parties are trying to brainwash us? Or do you alone possess the antidote, therefore your voting decisions (so much superior to everyone else) are free of any subversion? Genuinely curious how you see it. I see it as useful information. 1 Quote Link to comment
IZRL Posted October 29 Report Share Posted October 29 (edited) Had no idea Eminem had endorsed Kamala. They're trying to get the last few stragglers who would make such an important decision based on what their favorite music artist says. Edited October 29 by IZRL 2 Quote Link to comment
difrangia Posted October 29 Report Share Posted October 29 On 10/27/2024 at 10:12 PM, IZRL said: Anybody else notice how all leftist media have all of a sudden turned their backs on Kamala? Sounds to me like they know she's in trouble and they're now backpedaling in hopes of keeping their jobs incase Trump wins 🤞. Read this real slow. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/10/28/jeff-bezos-positioning-washington-post-and-interests-to-mitigate-financial-exposure-to-president-trump/#more-265531 3 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted October 29 Report Share Posted October 29 10 hours ago, paradime said: I see it as useful information. Pearls before swine. Quote Link to comment
paradime Posted October 29 Report Share Posted October 29 5 hours ago, difrangia said: Read this real slow. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/10/28/jeff-bezos-positioning-washington-post-and-interests-to-mitigate-financial-exposure-to-president-trump/#more-265531 Dovetails the manipulative psychology behind carefully orchestrated campaign messaging. This is useful information further exposing the unchecked power and greed of these antisocial media puppet masters, and their AI fueled arms race. Controlling the flow of information is history repeating itself, this time with corporate tech robber-barons fighting for the most favorable position in a 27 trillion $ monopoly game. With that much power over information in the hands of individual corporate interests, it's like catching fish in a barrel. The tech jump to the right is no coincidence. Funny how there's zero media coverage of libs biting the hand that feeds, but in DC federal court there are active antitrust suits aimed at breaking up Apple, Amazon, Facebook, Google, and Tesla in the pipeline. Also no coincidence these are the largest AI tech companies on the planet. For more info, read this https://hls.harvard.edu/today/antitrust-issues/ 1 Quote Link to comment
difrangia Posted October 29 Report Share Posted October 29 9 hours ago, difrangia said: Read this real slow. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/10/28/jeff-bezos-positioning-washington-post-and-interests-to-mitigate-financial-exposure-to-president-trump/#more-265531 For those who really dig into the socio-political workings of current affairs, the upper echelon editor at Washington Post that resigned as a reaction to WaPo not endorsing a candidate in the current presidential election and the apparent atmosphere evolution occurring with WaPo/Amazon world is Robert Kagan, hubby of Victoria Nuland. Vicky Nuland's mention should ring bells for anyone following the goings-on in the Ukraine/Russia/NATO shitaree that's been in play and simmering for the past decade or so. 1 Quote Link to comment
tr8er Posted October 30 Report Share Posted October 30 Tariffs are good for many reasons. Namely, they promote domestic manufacturing/production. This is hugely important to the proliferation to US industry staying competitive domestically. It leverages our buying power to support our manufacturing essentially. What it does not do is spare us expense. It raises the cost of goods, and we pay for it. I'm not against this, but don't be mislead to think it will not raise our prices. It absolutely will. This is especially of interest to the highest income bracket of the US. Those who are seeking to decrease or eliminate income tax would need to replace this with other revenue streams. And any revenue stream the government uses like tariffs or tax on goods will end up costing average citizens far more than taxes did. The rich would be the exception. They would end up paying the same as the poorest people. This seems fair until you take a couple of economics classes and understand how accrued interest and snowballing wealth has not worked in the past. Taxes are tiered virtually everywhere for very sound reason. The rich must pay the lions share of our taxes. And when this basic principle is ignored, society crumbles. History is a great teacher. I promote tariffs and think they should not be demonized. As well, they should in no way be considered an alternative to income taxes. They are not accomplishing the same goal. One does not replace the other. Both parties promote tariffs, but only one envisions an end to income taxes. Also, hi again. I voted so I'm not really in here for me anymore. Sharing what I think for you to take as desired. Datsun. 1 Quote Link to comment
john510 Posted October 30 Report Share Posted October 30 (edited) 38 minutes ago, tr8er said: Tariffs are good for many reasons. Namely, they promote domestic manufacturing/production. This is hugely important to the proliferation to US industry staying competitive domestically. It leverages our buying power to support our manufacturing essentially. What it does not do is spare us expense. It raises the cost of goods, and we pay for it. I'm not against this, but don't be mislead to think it will not raise our prices. It absolutely will. This is especially of interest to the highest income bracket of the US. Those who are seeking to decrease or eliminate income tax would need to replace this with other revenue streams. And any revenue stream the government uses like tariffs or tax on goods will end up costing average citizens far more than taxes did. The rich would be the exception. They would end up paying the same as the poorest people. This seems fair until you take a couple of economics classes and understand how accrued interest and snowballing wealth has not worked in the past. Taxes are tiered virtually everywhere for very sound reason. The rich must pay the lions share of our taxes. And when this basic principle is ignored, society crumbles. History is a great teacher. I promote tariffs and think they should not be demonized. As well, they should in no way be considered an alternative to income taxes. They are not accomplishing the same goal. One does not replace the other. Both parties promote tariffs, but only one envisions an end to income taxes. Also, hi again. I voted so I'm not really in here for me anymore. Sharing what I think for you to take as desired. Datsun. What party wants an end to income taxes ? enlighten us because I've never heard of such a thing from anybody. I'm all for it because the way I see it anymore with the wasteful spending by our Government they might as well be completely broke. Like they are now. Edit, I see a NYTimes article about it. It won't happen. That's just Trump flirting with the idea for a vote maybe ? I can see why the media swept that under the rug. Edited October 30 by john510 1 Quote Link to comment
jbirds510 Posted October 31 Report Share Posted October 31 18 hours ago, tr8er said: Tariffs are good for many reasons. Namely, they promote domestic manufacturing/production. This is hugely important to the proliferation to US industry staying competitive domestically. It leverages our buying power to support our manufacturing essentially. What it does not do is spare us expense. It raises the cost of goods, and we pay for it. I'm not against this, but don't be mislead to think it will not raise our prices. It absolutely will. This is especially of interest to the highest income bracket of the US. Those who are seeking to decrease or eliminate income tax would need to replace this with other revenue streams. And any revenue stream the government uses like tariffs or tax on goods will end up costing average citizens far more than taxes did. The rich would be the exception. They would end up paying the same as the poorest people. This seems fair until you take a couple of economics classes and understand how accrued interest and snowballing wealth has not worked in the past. Taxes are tiered virtually everywhere for very sound reason. The rich must pay the lions share of our taxes. And when this basic principle is ignored, society crumbles. History is a great teacher. I promote tariffs and think they should not be demonized. As well, they should in no way be considered an alternative to income taxes. They are not accomplishing the same goal. One does not replace the other. Both parties promote tariffs, but only one envisions an end to income taxes. Also, hi again. I voted so I'm not really in here for me anymore. Sharing what I think for you to take as desired. Datsun. 100% on point, well said. What isnt mentioned but eluded to is consumption tax. The percentage would be determined by how well tariffs go. The idea is as tariffs become more stable and “fair” the consumption tax would be reduced and eliminated in some circumstances. The elimination of consumption tax would be on items purchased that are 100% domestic, and sustainable and also life necessities like food toiletries and clothing etc. Reductions would follow but not be eliminated would be luxury items jewelry sporting event tickets holiday and vacation travel etc. in essence an all inclusive sales tax. He covers all of this in several interviews he had done in 2016 and 2020. His economic policy hasn’t changed just mounded over with drama and nonsense because dude doesn’t possess the one thing almost all professional conmen/politicians have and that’s the ability to not take things personal. It comes easy to people who only have self interest when it comes to why they get into politics. It’s a much better plan than trying to spend away the problem like we’ve seen pretty consistently with the left. Breaks my heart to say that because when I was younger being a democrat meant the people first and anti war. Scripts have flipped. I’m pro trump because he’ll to the No to unrealized gains tax and war. Everything else is important but as I get closer to retiring the idea that what I invested in to be comfortable will in the end be why I can’t retire disgusts me. 2 Quote Link to comment
angliagt Posted October 31 Report Share Posted October 31 If we do that,it should all go to paying down the National Debt. And they should NEVER be allowed to raise the debt. 2 Quote Link to comment
john510 Posted October 31 Report Share Posted October 31 5 hours ago, jbirds510 said: 100% on point, well said. What isnt mentioned but eluded to is consumption tax. The percentage would be determined by how well tariffs go. The idea is as tariffs become more stable and “fair” the consumption tax would be reduced and eliminated in some circumstances. The elimination of consumption tax would be on items purchased that are 100% domestic, and sustainable and also life necessities like food toiletries and clothing etc. Reductions would follow but not be eliminated would be luxury items jewelry sporting event tickets holiday and vacation travel etc. in essence an all inclusive sales tax. He covers all of this in several interviews he had done in 2016 and 2020. His economic policy hasn’t changed just mounded over with drama and nonsense because dude doesn’t possess the one thing almost all professional conmen/politicians have and that’s the ability to not take things personal. It comes easy to people who only have self interest when it comes to why they get into politics. It’s a much better plan than trying to spend away the problem like we’ve seen pretty consistently with the left. Breaks my heart to say that because when I was younger being a democrat meant the people first and anti war. Scripts have flipped. I’m pro trump because he’ll to the No to unrealized gains tax and war. Everything else is important but as I get closer to retiring the idea that what I invested in to be comfortable will in the end be why I can’t retire disgusts me. The talk of taxing unrealized gains scares the hell out of me. It shouldn't even be something anybody talks about. That would cripple things in so many ways. I'm 2 or 3 years from retirement and I don't need all my efforts to be self sufficient taken away from me. And I'm not working until I die. Screw that. 3 Quote Link to comment
john510 Posted Friday at 11:03 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 11:03 PM I believe I understood what the animals said more than the humans. 2 Quote Link to comment
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