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4 hours ago, datzenmike said:

 

 

For you wayno.

Ask him what the winning trump supporters will do about this when the winning trump supporters storm the capitol.

Won't happen.Even if Biden wins.You're perception of Trump supporters is distorted.

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9 minutes ago, a.d._510_n_ok said:

Oregon man, freed after using Molotov cocktail to start fire, set six more: cops

https://nypost.com/2020/09/14/oregon-man-freed-after-starting-brush-fire-set-six-more-cops/

So they issued him a citation ? Jesus Christ no wonder these wacko's are so out of control.Lock them up.

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2 hours ago, wayno said:

 

I don't expect that will happen unless the Democrat politicians in the house refuse to except the results of him winning and Pelosi tries to take office, shit will likely hit the fan then, if this happens I am hoping that the military is sane enough to not start killing its own citizens when Pelosi tells them to send troops in to get control, the outcome of this election depends on how many crazy people there are in our political system, but again I am wondering if there is really a way to have a legitimate election anymore, the Democrat Politicians have never excepted him as President since the 2016 election, they have done everything they can think of to divide this country since the 2018 election when they won back control of the Congress, I would call them children the way they have acted, but they are not children they are adults with an agenda, and that agenda is not representing the people of this nation, they represent what they consider the ruling class, the ones that pay them to make laws that benefit only them or people like them(the elite).

 

Elite

 

In political and sociological theory, the elite (French élite, from Latin eligere, to select or to sort out) are a small group of powerful people who hold a disproportionate amount of wealth, privilege, political power, or skill in a society.

 

Remember Kent State? One mistake and everything changes.

 

 

22 minutes ago, john510 said:

Won't happen.Even if Biden wins.You're perception of Trump supporters is distorted.

 

IF Biden wins, we were talking about trump winning and the Dems refusing to accept the results and Pelosi trying to take office. If Hillery cannot accept loosing then so can anyone else. If antifa is one end of the spectrum then surely some trump supporters are at the other extreme..... anything is possible.

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17 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

 

 

Remember Kent State? One mistake and everything changes.

 

 

 

IF Biden wins, we were talking about trump winning and the Dems refusing to accept the results and Pelosi trying to take office. If Hillery cannot accept loosing then so can anyone else. If antifa is one end of the spectrum then surely some trump supporters are at the other extreme..... anything is possible.

What should the Republicans do in this situation? If they dont retaliate then the US would have been taken over by a dictatorship. It seems the last 6 months has been paving the way for this exact scenario, they have been feeling out how far they can push it and they haven't yet got to the push back point. 

Case in point, the absolute bullshit happening here in Australia with the communist dictator who has set up down in Victoria. The rest of Austrailia is standing around not know what to do and the Victorians seem to be suffering from Stockholm syndrome. He is literally sending the state broke on purpose. 

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Just to let everyone know In the case that the election gets held up because of refusal to concede. Pelosi will NOT assume power because after the second week of December the election goes to a congressional delegation for a decision, of which the Republicans control the seats until Jan 20 2021... Trump wins another term.

 

It pays to know your system people. 🖕 

 

The Pelosi scenario wouldn't even happen unless the incoming or incumbent candidates both die, and Sec of state is determined ineligible too. Oh and that there was no delay on federal elected positions. In the case of the election not being determined on time would also put the whole house of representatives out on their asses too come Jan 3 2021. 

 

Here is a shit ass article that lacks pertinent information for study purposes, but does give a hint of what can go on with this dilemma we are facing.  

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/07/fact-check-pelosi-would-not-become-president-if-election-were-delayed/5550459002/

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To reference Ancient Rome here.  We have already crossed the rubicon.  You can thank the media at large for years of putting everyone to one side or the other and then demonizing them at any chance just to get a reaction for ratings.  To be fair here everyone regardless of sides has legitimate grievances but there is no longer an avenue of which to have healthy debate to resolve those issues.  
 

From what I have read one of three things will happens.
 

A Trump re-election will most certainly result in prolonged soy fueled rioting and Intel rage.  This will likely escalate as feeling emboldened by his victory Trump will crack down only deepening the unrest and causing issues for years to come.
 

A Biden victory will likely result in conflict as Biden would likely embrace socialist ideals in tandem with an effort to remove firearms from anyone in opposition.  In response to any organized conflict he would attempt to mobilize the military or the guard who would disobey his orders as they are sworn first and foremost to uphold the constitution.  This would make America look weak and China or Russia would likely try to exploit this by attacking targets in Eastern Europe and in the Asia pacific.  I.E. we would be plunged into war with a dementia patient at the helm who has shown he has no intention of standing in the way of increased CCP influence in the world.  This will leave the country all alone and likely the ultimate end game target for Russia and the CCP.  (Look for them to challenge the financial systems following small displays of force to highlight our weakness to the world.)

Or regardless of who wins they will be unable to do anything outside of using flimsy executive orders.  After the CCP coronavirus cabin fever dies down people will just go back to not caring about anything, the protesters will be back to work and just won’t have the time to protest, and people will continue to whine about the other side online with little changing as our nation continues on its path towards eventual destruction drawn out over the next 35 years.

 

If I was a gambling man though I would bet Trump wins and the third scenario I outlined comes to pass.

 

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37 minutes ago, Mattndew76 said:

Just to let everyone know In the case that the election gets held up because of refusal to concede. Pelosi will NOT assume power because after the second week of December the election goes to a congressional delegation for a decision, of which the Republicans control the seats until Jan 20 2021... Trump wins another term.

 

It pays to know your system people. 🖕 

 

The Pelosi scenario wouldn't even happen unless the incoming or incumbent candidates both die, and Sec of state is determined ineligible too. Oh and that there was no delay on federal elected positions. In the case of the election not being determined on time would also put the whole house of representatives out on their asses too come Jan 3 2021. 

 

Here is a shit ass article that lacks pertinent information for study purposes, but does give a hint of what can go on with this dilemma we are facing.  

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/07/fact-check-pelosi-would-not-become-president-if-election-were-delayed/5550459002/

 

I was not talking about a delay of the election, I was talking about the Democrat controlled Congress not excepting Trump as President for another 4 years.

 

 

Political commentators are warning Americans not to expect to learn on election night who won the 2020 presidential election because it will take days or even weeks to count the expected surge in mail-in ballots. 

Actually, we will be lucky if we know who won by January 20, 2021, which is Inauguration Day.  That is one scary takeaway from electoral “war games” conducted in June by a bipartisan group of political operatives, former government officials and experts organized by the Transition Integrity Project. The simulated election crisis scenarios make the 2000 Florida recount in Bush v. Gore look like a political lovefest.

In one scenario, titled “Ambiguous Result,” the election turned on the results in North Carolina, Michigan and Florida. After North Carolina went to Biden and Florida to Trump, a rogue saboteur destroyed ballots in Michigan that would have given Biden a win in that state and the presidency. Both sides claimed victory and Michigan ended up sending rival slates of Trump and Biden electors to vote in the Electoral College. The Electoral College process broke down over which slate was entitled to vote. By noon on January 20, 2021, when the next president was supposed to be sworn in, “both sides were still claiming victory, leading to the problem of two claims to Commander-in-Chief power (including access to the nuclear codes).”

This may sound like a Hollywood political thriller, but the possibility of having two claimants to the Oval Office on January 20 is real. That’s because the Electoral College timeline is incredibly tight (not that there won’t be challenges to the deadlines). Election Day is November 3. If a state finishes its count, any recounts and judicial review by December 8, then Congress must accept that state’s electoral vote as conclusive. Six days later, on December 14, the electors chosen in the popular vote meet in their states to cast their votes for president. The states report their electoral vote counts to Congress, which counts them at a joint session on January 6, 2021 and declares the result. At least, that’s how it’s supposed to work.

Then there is the plausible, all-hell-breaks-loose scenario even without a saboteur. First, two or three swing states, or even more, with close races can’t finish their counts because of the time needed to tally mail-in ballots, and resolve disputes, by December 14, when the states’ electors meet. Remember that in Bush v. Gore, the single-state Florida recount was still uncompleted nearly five weeks after the election when the Supreme Court stopped it, which gave the presidency to George W. Bush.   

Next, these states send rival slates of electors to vote at the Electoral College meeting in those states, which happened in the elections of 1872 and 1876, and the Republican-controlled Senate and Democratic-controlled House unsurprisingly fail to agree on which slate’s votes to recognize (which didn’t happen in 1872 and 1876).    

Finally, the Supreme Court refuses to choose between the rival slates of electors because that is the exclusive responsibility of Congress under the Constitution. If the electoral process seizes up this way, no winner will likely be declared by Inauguration Day.  

Arguably Trump and Pence’s terms are over since they haven’t been re-elected. Under the Presidential Succession Act, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D. Calif.), as third in line, could become the acting president until the election is finally decided. Even that pathway to temporary stability is uncertain and subject to court challenge. And, honestly, is Donald Trump, who has already declared that Biden can’t win without election fraud, going to clear his belongings out of the Oval Office for, of all people, Nancy Pelosi?    

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52 minutes ago, wayno said:

 

I was not talking about a delay of the election, I was talking about the Democrat controlled Congress not excepting Trump as President for another 4 years.

 

 

Political commentators are warning Americans not to expect to learn on election night who won the 2020 presidential election because it will take days or even weeks to count the expected surge in mail-in ballots. 

Actually, we will be lucky if we know who won by January 20, 2021, which is Inauguration Day.  That is one scary takeaway from electoral “war games” conducted in June by a bipartisan group of political operatives, former government officials and experts organized by the Transition Integrity Project. The simulated election crisis scenarios make the 2000 Florida recount in Bush v. Gore look like a political lovefest.

In one scenario, titled “Ambiguous Result,” the election turned on the results in North Carolina, Michigan and Florida. After North Carolina went to Biden and Florida to Trump, a rogue saboteur destroyed ballots in Michigan that would have given Biden a win in that state and the presidency. Both sides claimed victory and Michigan ended up sending rival slates of Trump and Biden electors to vote in the Electoral College. The Electoral College process broke down over which slate was entitled to vote. By noon on January 20, 2021, when the next president was supposed to be sworn in, “both sides were still claiming victory, leading to the problem of two claims to Commander-in-Chief power (including access to the nuclear codes).”

This may sound like a Hollywood political thriller, but the possibility of having two claimants to the Oval Office on January 20 is real. That’s because the Electoral College timeline is incredibly tight (not that there won’t be challenges to the deadlines). Election Day is November 3. If a state finishes its count, any recounts and judicial review by December 8, then Congress must accept that state’s electoral vote as conclusive. Six days later, on December 14, the electors chosen in the popular vote meet in their states to cast their votes for president. The states report their electoral vote counts to Congress, which counts them at a joint session on January 6, 2021 and declares the result. At least, that’s how it’s supposed to work.

Then there is the plausible, all-hell-breaks-loose scenario even without a saboteur. First, two or three swing states, or even more, with close races can’t finish their counts because of the time needed to tally mail-in ballots, and resolve disputes, by December 14, when the states’ electors meet. Remember that in Bush v. Gore, the single-state Florida recount was still uncompleted nearly five weeks after the election when the Supreme Court stopped it, which gave the presidency to George W. Bush.   

Next, these states send rival slates of electors to vote at the Electoral College meeting in those states, which happened in the elections of 1872 and 1876, and the Republican-controlled Senate and Democratic-controlled House unsurprisingly fail to agree on which slate’s votes to recognize (which didn’t happen in 1872 and 1876).    

Finally, the Supreme Court refuses to choose between the rival slates of electors because that is the exclusive responsibility of Congress under the Constitution. If the electoral process seizes up this way, no winner will likely be declared by Inauguration Day.  

Arguably Trump and Pence’s terms are over since they haven’t been re-elected. Under the Presidential Succession Act, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D. Calif.), as third in line, could become the acting president until the election is finally decided. Even that pathway to temporary stability is uncertain and subject to court challenge. And, honestly, is Donald Trump, who has already declared that Biden can’t win without election fraud, going to clear his belongings out of the Oval Office for, of all people, Nancy Pelosi?    

 

That article I posted addresses this exact scenario.  In any of the election scenarios she would never see the oval office. I think I can find the Michael Malice video where he breaks down how the system would work in the scenario described. 

 

I also wasn't referring to the election being held up. I was talking about the results being contested and delayed for several weeks. Pelosi still wouldn't even be close to being placed in the oval office.

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21 minutes ago, a.d._510_n_ok said:

2:29 is where the fun stuff starts.

 

 

 

Play stupid games...you know the rest.  Time to put the dogs down.  Just enforce the laws, kick the protesters to the curb, and arrest those who won't cooperate.  We have a bunch of cells along the border they can be detained in.

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The biggest problem is the CHP didn't know the correct procedure.  He/she is supposed to accelerate at a normal, gradual pace, until at the full speed limit, then brake hard suddenly for a squirrel/cat/dog that was about to lunge into his/her path and which promptly ran off the opposite direction, off camera.  You see, I mean, they were attempting to protect themselves & vehicle, AND the innocent BLM/antifa/commie, but accidents happen...

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27 minutes ago, Mattndew76 said:

 

That article I posted addresses this exact scenario. 

 

That article is about a delayed election, I am talking about the results of the election that was not delayed.

 

Lets go about it this way, the Democrat controlled Congress withheld the impeachment papers for one reason or another, what is to keep them from refusing to declare Trump as the winner as it is their exclusive responsibility under the constitution?

 

The Democrat controlled Congress has done a bunch of sketchy stuff over the last couple years, they appear to think they can do anything, what is to stop them from refusing to declare a winner?

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The Media is playing law enforcement as the bad guys and has for over 3 months, same with Trump, he is the bad guy, this is a no winner for them in Democrat controlled areas, and a court of law can clear them but the damage is already done, people have been brain washed into believing they are bad, and the media will not clear them as it does not benefit them to do so.

6 years ago shit like that would have been met with troops like what happened in Ferguson, but these days the Democrats running these western states have no interest in bringing troops in as they would lose that power, so everyone has to suffer because of politics.

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32 minutes ago, wayno said:

 

That article is about a delayed election, I am talking about the results of the election that was not delayed.

 

Lets go about it this way, the Democrat controlled Congress withheld the impeachment papers for one reason or another, what is to keep them from refusing to declare Trump as the winner as it is their exclusive responsibility under the constitution?

 

The Democrat controlled Congress has done a bunch of sketchy stuff over the last couple years, they appear to think they can do anything, what is to stop them from refusing to declare a winner?

 

They are bound by contingent election law. 12th amendment. The electoral college would decide and if no clear winner was awarded from that then congress would continue to hold electoral voting until a majority winner was selected. The states still have control over their electoral voting representatives sent to vote. The state legislatures get to decide how those reps are selected too. 

 

Just to let you know there are a majority of Republican state legislatures. So the likely scenario of Trump winning reelection in your scenario is extremely HIGH. 

 

There is no legislation outside of (Pelosi being the last person alive through catastrophe) that puts her in the oval office.

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2 hours ago, a.d._510_n_ok said:

2:29 is where the fun stuff starts.

 

 

 

 

The people in cars, driving by, who were not allowed to proceed through the intersection, the yelling of insults, the black truck that is trying to drive by and a rioter kicks the side panel. I really wouldn't like any of that, The real time creation of a false narrative (the fool who was injured, was only injured, because fool crawled on top of the police car). I have written extensively on my concern for the safety of my family, if the democrats come into power and this video is an excellent example. The government will not protect you. These police have been impotent and cucked in front the nation and the world. But, bet your last dollar, if regular citizens, who respect police (although, less and less, with each passing  incident)took care of the situation then police would suddenly find their balls and make televised arrests.It would be easy to arrest the citizens who handled the problem, once identified, you could find them at their work. It is the duty of the police to keep this shit in line. And, yes, it is a hard job, but you're not allowed to hide in  the cruiser. It is time to go old school, get out of the fucking car with blackjacks, SAP gloves, batons or PR24's (leave the tasers and the  mace  in the car and only 1 officer with an AR15 for overwatch) and bust some fucking heads.OR step aside and let your  fellow American citizens bring peace.

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I try not to watch too many train wreck videos like this one. All it does is promote outrage at the stupidity of it all. BLM/antifa/commie members will watch this over and over and over getting angrier and angrier till one of them with less restraint and full of mob mentality at another 'demonstration' will loose it. Cops aren't immune either. Eventually one will empty his weapon into them in frustration and the public at large? Tired of seeing black people complaining. One day some member of the public driving by will feel threatened enough to floor their F350 through a crowd of them and many will cheer inwardly.

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25 minutes ago, banzai510(hainz) said:

the 2 cops gunned down in LA yesterday.

Black Lives Matter just looked on and Laughed. Im sure they are going to vote Joe Biden

Show up at the HOSPITAL TO BLOCK THE ENTRY WAY.

 

Joe Biden response to the shooting.

We need to Ban Assault rifles!!!!!!!!!!!

What the Fuck.

 

Keep doing what your doing.

 

Need poly carbonate windows.

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48 minutes ago, bottomwatcher said:

I have spent a lot of time in Oregon and loved it. I feel sorry for you all on the west coast going through this shit. The smoke has made it Maine. Got some haze around the sun now. I am not a Biden supporter but can any of you Trumpers explain this? 

 

 

What's to explain? That we have piss poor land management since Clinton? That they keep blaming everything on Global Warming? 

 

And we are Trump Supporters, not Trumpers. That really shows your bias. 

 

 

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In 3 years the Forrest over grew?????

How many are dumbasses in the woods? We just had a guy relased 2 days ago committing arson and then found again lighting HWY 167 on fire. Found out later he was at a BLM ralley. What should we think???  Put more peole this this in the White House??

 

10million gun sales since march.  How many will vote republican????

 

 

Bottom watcher you can give up your car anytime . Pay 7$  a gal for gas if you want. Im all for elelctric /solar ect but most people cant afford that unless its all subsidized and made in CHINA which mean your out of a job and now on welfare

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