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1 hour ago, frankendat said:

I will not defend Trump or the Republican party, but for the last decade , or so, I have voted strictly Republican. Focus on Trumps buffoonery misses the big picture. It is not hyperbole that freedom, both ideological and physical is at stake. The Republicans are not champions of freedom and routinely capitulate to wealthy corporations. But,  wealthy corporations do not have a defense  force on par with the military. If the situation became bad enough, then there could be recourse. The Democrats are focused on weakening the citizenry of America and forcing c  compliance with federal force. Historically and Globally rights once lost are never returned.                                                                                                                                                                                                        

 

The Democrats  are like a  neighbor,  who routinely  and openly shits on your lawn. You see him do it, he knows you see him, but doesn’t care. If you touch him, the Democrats want to send  federal police and/or  SWAT to your home to seize any and all firearms and strip you of your second amendment rights. If you come out screaming and threaten him, again the Democrats want to the Feds strip you of your second amendment rights. And you better pray that the shitter isn’t a member of a minority, then you will likely be labeled racist and facebook group members from all around the county will come to shit on your lawn to show solidarity. Emails will bombard your employer that chastise the company for employing a racist. Groups  will demand boycott of the business if you are not  fired.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          

 

Should you call the police? You could try, but this will be very low priority and if you are in a big city, police assistance is extremely unlikely.                                                                                                            

 

And the shitter keeps coming by and you are stuck in shit. You, not your political party, not hypothetically, not potentially, are dealing with actual shit.                                                                                                                                                                         

 

Trump acts, or is, a fool. He repeatedly and publically, metaphorically shits himself, and it looks bad. There is much talk about shitty things he is doing or has done and much of it is likely true.  The current Democratic platform is refreshingly, abhorrently, clear.  It is focused on abolishing freedom of speech , the right to bear arms, and forced  economic redistribution. Understanding that there is a segment of the population, that will resist these policies, Democrats are actively working to clear the way to implement quasi-military or military enforcement.                             

 

If it is still a tough choice, then take all the stupid shit that Trump says, take all the global embarrassment that Trump has caused, take the potential damage to international relations by his actions with the Russians and North Korea, take the damage his bankruptcy, his shady college dealings, the injecting bleach proclamation, did to you and put it in one hand, shit in the other.  Which hand do you want to spend the next 4 years with?

 

This is the point. We are supposed to be the leader of the free world and all we have to choose from is two steaming pile shit individuals?  If either one was drowning I would walk the other way. I don't understand how anyone can be "for" either one. Trump's behavior and leadership's skills are appalling and Biden is a feeble senile old Man. This is what I am angry about! Apparently the presidency is such a shit job this is the best the US can dredge up to fill the position. Again as I said before nobody wins after this election whoever happens to be the victor. We are Fucked!

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this is kind of long but 16 charts to compare https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/05/trump-obama-economy/

here is one clip 

8. Manufacturing output

The end of Obama’s second term saw a mini manufacturing recession that deeply hurt blue-collar workers even as the service economy continued to chug along. Trump vowed to revive factories. Early on in his presidency, manufacturing jobs and output jumped. In 2018, manufacturing jobs were growing at the fastest clip since the early 1980s. But it didn’t last.

Manufacturing output and jobs stalled in 2019, an early warning sign of economic trouble. The pandemic was a major blow. Real-time indicators show some rebound in manufacturing, especially as auto sales and home sales have bounced backed. But manufacturing employment remains more than 700,000 jobs below pre-pandemic levels.

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9. U.S. home prices

Home prices have been on a steadily upward climb even since bottoming out in 2011. A lot of this growth has been driven by the Federal Reserve. The Fed has kept interest rates low, which has led to historic lows in mortgage rates that have made home-buying more affordable for many families (as long as they have savings for a down payment).

Even the pandemic didn’t put much of a dent in home purchases. In fact, some city dwellers have been rushing to the suburbs in search of bigger homes with more space. That trend, combined with a surge in millennials buying homes and mortgage rates below 3 percent, have fueled a housing boom. The median home price in the United States hit $304,100 in July, according to the National Association of Realtors. It’s the highest price on record, surpassing the prior 2006 high in inflation-adjusted terms.

 

10. U.S. government debt

Both Obama and Trump have been criticized for growing the national debt. Spending increased under Obama as the federal government tried to revive the economy after the Great Recession, as well as fund the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and continuing most of the Bush tax cuts.

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Trump’s 2017 tax cut added about $1.5 trillion more to the debt, contrary to claims by the president’s administration that it would not. Then the pandemic hit and the federal government responded with more than $3 trillion in aid. The result is the national debt is at the highest levels since World War II. The closely watched debt-to-GDP ratio, a sign of how big U.S. debt held by the public is relative to the economy, is on track to surpass 100 percent in the coming months.

Many economists say the bulge in spending after the Great Recession and pandemic recession were necessary and unavoidable, but they fault Obama and Trump for not doing more to right the federal budget during the good economic years.

 

11. Consumer confidence

Consumer spending drives about 70 percent of the U.S. economy. Many economists and business leaders closely watch signs of consumer confidence to see if Americans are likely to keep buying. The two main gauges of consumer confidence are monthly surveys by the Conference Board and the University of Michigan. Both showed an increase in confidence after Trump’s election, largely because Republicans and Independent voters rated the economy more highly.

As the unemployment rate continued to decrease, confidence hit levels not seen since the late 1990s in early 2020. Though much of the economy under Trump looked similar to under Obama, many Americans appeared to feel better about their job and business prospects. Then the pandemic hit, causing confidence to tank. Nearly 1 in 3 Americans now worries about losing their job, according to Gallup.

 

12. Wages

While the economy did a big U-turn under Obama, his administration admitted that its “unfinished business” was seeing wages grow faster again. When the economy is performing well, it’s usually hard for employers to find enough workers, and they start lifting pay by more than 3 percent a year. That did not happen in the Obama era. It took until the summer of 2018 to finally see average hourly earnings rising above 3 percent.

 

13. Gas prices

Gas prices were well above $3 a gallon for much of Obama’s tenure. Many Americans see these prices as they drive to work, and it influences their overall feeling about the economy. As prices rise, they tend to feel gloomier as gas costs eat into their weekly pay. But oil prices plunged in 2014 as the world’s major oil-producing countries, such as Saudi Arabia, refused to cut back production, leading to a glut of oil on the world market.

When Trump took office, gas prices were just $2.37 a gallon, on average. They have remained low throughout Trump’s first term, helping keep costs manageable for many Americans. Though Trump likes to tout that America is now “energy independent” because it exports oil again, the reality is the nation still depends on imports of crude oil from abroad. The rise and fall of gas prices are largely driven by the world market and power players like Saudi Arabia that have continued to pump cheap oil.

 

14. Americans with health insurance

Obama made it one of his top goals to get more Americans covered by health insurance. The number of Americans lacking health insurance went from more than 48 million people in 2010 down to 28 million after the passage of the Affordable Care Act.

The uninsured rate has remained low under Trump, though it ticked up slightly after Trump did away with the penalty for American adults who don’t buy health insurance. Trump also made it a goal to repeal the Affordable Care Act, but that has not happened in his first term.

 

15. Business investment

An ongoing problem for the U.S. economy in recent years has been sluggish business investment. The economy tends to perform better when firms spend more on new research, products and equipment, since that tends to lead to more innovation.

Business investment was slow at the end of Obama’s second term. Trump and many Republicans said their 2017 tax cut would spur a business investment boom. Though 2018 did see improved business investment, the bump was short-lived. Business investment was anemic again in 2019, even before the pandemic’s economic blow.

 

16. Trade deficit

Most economists paid little attention to the trade deficit before Trump ran for office. The United States has purchased more goods from abroad than it has sold for years, largely because American consumers like to shop. Economists didn’t worry about this because foreign nations would turn around and invest in the U.S., so the dollars typically came back, one way or another.

But Trump insisted deficits were a sign of weakness. He promised his trade deals would get the deficit back down. What happened instead is the overall trade deficit in 2018 was the largest in a decade.

The trade deficit is on track to come down in 2020 but not for particularly encouraging reasons. Trade deficits tend to shrink during recessions, as Americans save more and shop less.

 
 
 
 

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8 minutes ago, Ranman72 said:

i do not have a quote only remember the talk about how it had never in history climbed as fast as when he took office 

 

 

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US economy under Trump: Is it the greatest in history? - BBC News

 

Nothing special. More even with less drops but around 3%. Looks like historically 17% in the early '50s and a 17% blip in th late '70s.

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4 minutes ago, bottomwatcher said:

This is the point. We are supposed to be the leader of the free world and all we have to choose from is two steaming pile shit individuals?  If either one was drowning I would walk the other way. I don't understand how anyone can be "for" either one. Trump's behavior and leadership's skills are appalling and Biden is a feeble senile old Man. This is what I am angry about! Apparently the presidency is such a shit job this is the best the US can dredge up to fill the position. Again as I said before nobody wins after this election whoever happens to be the victor. We are Fucked!

 

One is far worse, because he is a member of the Democratic party. The Democrats have shown their true colors. The Democrats openly declare support of policies that will directly impact the freedom of you and me. if Trump wins, we will be embarrassed if Biden wins we will be incarcerated or forced to live on our knees.

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3 minutes ago, banzai510(hainz) said:

If Biden wins buy more handguns cause there will be no more cops

gas electricity will go up

china will get a good trade deal and they might buy more soybeans.

china will build more aircraft carriers and Biden will cut the military and give it to Antifa and BLM

 

I am not as optimistic about a Democratic president. If Biden wins cops might be less, but the scary part is if you defend your property or your life, then you will demonized, your freedom will be taken, your home searched, your weapons taken. As I mentioned a couple of posts back, you will be forced to accept it and eat shit. Groups like Antifa and BLM will become more empowered, while Federal police force you into submission.

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In Seattle They are rioting right now as we speak.

Defending yourself with a firearm nowadays will just put yourself in jail and look like a Nazi white supremist to the media.

the world will not end if Biden wins.he won’t do as much as he said in the democratic debates.he is already changing his stance.the left will then shame him more for not being more leftist.

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2 hours ago, Thomas said:

 

I guess, "nuh-uh, you are" is still a valid comeback in some circles. As far as hate, how about: migrant children in cages, unconstitutional bans on people of a certain religion, hiding the USS John McCain so Trump doesn't have a melt down... etc, etc, etc.

 

"He has no principles. None. None. And his base, I mean my God, if you were a religious person, you want to help people. Not do this."

"It’s the phoniness of it all. It’s the phoniness and this cruelty. Donald is cruel.” - Trump's sister

 

Dude. Are you f'ing serious? The cages? Really?

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4 hours ago, thisismatt said:

 

Dude. Are you f'ing serious? The cages? Really?

 

Sorry, is that something we're supposed to ignore now? Or are you caught up on the wording and would prefer chain link fences? I do recall one of the administration officials referring to it as being like summer camp.

 

I suppose we can just call it "children that were separated from their parents and detained as a matter of a cruel Trump administration policy spearheaded by Stephen Miller."

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Don’t cross the border and they won’t be separated.simple

those cages were there before Trump.

 

Great new.Trump told them he was going to tax all Mexican imports if they don’t stop the caravans.now the Mexican National Guard is doing it saving the US taxpayer billions of dollars.Promise said Promise done.All other non Mexico nations have to claim asylum  in Mexico.fucking genius!!!!More taxpayer money saved!!!!

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5 minutes ago, banzai510(hainz) said:

Don’t cross the border and they won’t be separated.simple

those cages were there before Trump.

 

Great new.Trump told them he was going to tax all Mexican imports if they don’t stop the caravans.now the Mexican National Guard is doing it saving the US taxpayer billions of dollars.Promise said Promise done.All other non Mexico nations have to claim asylum  in Mexico.fucking genius!!!!More taxpayer money saved!!!!

 

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-port-of-entry-separations-20180701-story.html#

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/07/05/migrants-seeking-asylum-legally-ports-entry-turned-away-separated-fami/

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/17/children-separated-border-flake-collins-650779

 

OOPS!

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trump haters will be trump haters and look for every possibility to make him look bad 

just as biden haters will do the same 

the difference is that most of the biden (democratic party ) has been on a witch hunt for 3 years and 9 months 

we have seen more about our crooked politicians

 in the last 3 years and 9 months then we have in the entire us history 

Thanks TRUMP 

keep draining the swamp 

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10 minutes ago, Thomas said:

did they not hear when trump said put america first 

dont come here illegally 

asylum is how some have come and are still illegal and do not contribute to our economy 

when trump said stay home in your country he meant it 

just the same as cops saying dont move or i will shoot 

WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL SO FUCKING STUPID AND TEST THE AUTHORITY 

oh yea i remember lets go to america they take everyone for free 

heck they will even give us free healthcare and government assistance 

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1 minute ago, Ranman72 said:

trump haters will be trump haters and look for every possibility to make him look bad 

just as biden haters will do the same 

the difference is that most of the biden (democratic party ) has been on a witch hunt for 3 years and 9 months 

we have seen more about our crooked politicians

 in the last 3 years and 9 months then we have in the entire us history 

Thanks TRUMP 

keep draining the swamp 

 

And found a bunch of witches in Trump's campaign team and administration! 🙂

 

Seriously, do you guys actually think the child separation thing never happened? It was a matter of policy, unlike before, and they did it with asylum seekers too. Regardless, it was cruel through-and-through which is typical of this administration.

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Just now, Ranman72 said:

did they not hear when trump said put america first 

dont come here illegally 

asylum is how some have come and are still illegal and do not contribute to our economy 

when trump said stay home in your country he meant it 

just the same as cops saying dont move or i will shoot 

WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL SO FUCKING STUPID AND TEST THE AUTHORITY 

 

Asylum is not illegal—that's nuts.

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Democrats are for China.

Biden policy’s were so good how come they didn’t win in 2016

police unions are for Trump

BoilerMakers are going with Trump

Time to decouple from China-this should make union members happy as he said if off shored and comes back in country import tax will be even more.

Nato not funding their defense but buying Russian gas?Germany are you serious?

 

if people from the southern border come across they should be deported ASAP.no welfare ect..

matter of fact Apply from country of origin .

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