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          Don't worry - Haven't you heard (according to the TV ads/DNC) that the Democrats

have ALL the answers,& will solve EVERY problem in the US?

           Why can't they be accountable for all the promises they make?

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Well, someone has to answer for things when they get out of hand. He may not be responsible but surely accountable for things on 'his watch'. He's probably thinking let it burn... the DNC will take the heat.

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22 hours ago, tr8er said:
Calling it a "Riot" would actually be just as biased.  A Protest is:  a statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something.  Which is exactly what was happening.  As it was a reaction to an event they disapproved of.  Protest doesn't in and of itself exclude violence or destruction.  
A Riot is:  a violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd.  Accurate, but not as descriptive of the event.  Also it is absolutely a charged description.  You see it as appropriate because of your views.  But calling it a Protest includes the cause as well as encompasses the violence if present.  

You're kidding right ? Calling this a "riot" is biased how ? You just typed the definition of it.

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I'm with John. Riot is a more accurate description of burning, shooting and killing people and looting. Protest is candy coating it. If saying protest at least say a protest that degenerated into a riot. 

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14 hours ago, datzenmike said:

I'm with John. Riot is a more accurate description of burning, shooting and killing people and looting. Protest is candy coating it. If saying protest at least say a protest that degenerated into a riot. 

 

This is exactly how it should be portrayed. Not some sugar coated entry or title intended to shield BLM / ANTIFA from a bad image they had 100% involvement in creating. 

 

The type of lawyer speak word crafting done in Wiki and fact checking sites drive me bonkers. Anyone with a middle school reading level can see that its being done too. 

 

"OJ Simpson's day was mostly peaceful the night that Nicole Brown Simpson died."


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7 minutes ago, Mattndew76 said:

 

This is exactly how it should be portrayed. Not some sugar coated entry or title intended to shield BLM / ANTIFA from a bad image they had 100% involvement in creating. 

 

The type of lawyer speak word crafting done in Wiki and fact checking sites drive me bonkers. Anyone with a middle school reading level can see that its being done too. 

 

"OJ Simpson's day was mostly peaceful the night that Nicole Brown Simpson died."

 

Joe Rogan  

Well said.

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You guys are somehow insinuating that Protest does not include violence.  It absolutely does.  The term “Peaceful Protest” is evidence of such.  You would not need to say “Peaceful” if protesting was somehow always peaceful.  Rioting is not for a cause.  I’ve not seen a definition that includes a cause attached.  So a Riot, which is accurate as I stated previously, is only telling half of the story.  There is a better term.  And that term is protest.  They are absolutely protesting for a cause and leaving a trail of destruction in their wake.  

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4 minutes ago, tr8er said:

You guys are somehow insinuating that Protest does not include violence.  It absolutely does.  The term “Peaceful Protest” is evidence of such.  You would not need to say “Peaceful” if protesting was somehow always peaceful.  Rioting is not for a cause.  I’ve not seen a definition that includes a cause attached.  So a Riot, which is accurate as I stated previously, is only telling half of the story.  There is a better term.  And that term is protest.  They are absolutely protesting for a cause and leaving a trail of destruction in their wake.  

 

What is their cause?

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24 minutes ago, tr8er said:

You guys are somehow insinuating that Protest does not include violence.  It absolutely does.  The term “Peaceful Protest” is evidence of such.  You would not need to say “Peaceful” if protesting was somehow always peaceful.  Rioting is not for a cause.  I’ve not seen a definition that includes a cause attached.  So a Riot, which is accurate as I stated previously, is only telling half of the story.  There is a better term.  And that term is protest.  They are absolutely protesting for a cause and leaving a trail of destruction in their wake.  

 

No dictionary in the English language defines protest to be synonymous with violence.

 

Projecting your idea about what a protest is to you doesn't change or lend to making a new definition. 

 

The Martyr you showed in the image before of the monk is a singular act of self immolated protest. Not an act of violence toward other people or property. In every one of the entry's given the name of "Protest" on wiki concerning current events involves acts of violence on other people, vandalizing property, arson, and mob violent behavior. That by all literal standard is RIOT. 

 

Webster Dictionary (which is supposed to be the consensus literary definition standard) 

 

Protest:

the act of objecting or a gesture of disapproval resigned in protest especially : a usually organized public demonstration of disapproval. 3 : a complaint, objection, or display of unwillingness usually to an idea or a course of action went under protest.

 

https://www.synonym.com/synonyms/Protest

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27 minutes ago, tr8er said:

You guys are somehow insinuating that Protest does not include violence.  It absolutely does.  The term “Peaceful Protest” is evidence of such.  You would not need to say “Peaceful” if protesting was somehow always peaceful.  Rioting is not for a cause.  I’ve not seen a definition that includes a cause attached.  So a Riot, which is accurate as I stated previously, is only telling half of the story.  There is a better term.  And that term is protest.  They are absolutely protesting for a cause and leaving a trail of destruction in their wake.  

 

This is Hilarious! 

 

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2 hours ago, Mattndew76 said:

 

No dictionary in the English language defines protest to be synonymous with violence.

 

Projecting your idea about what a protest is to you doesn't change or lend to making a new definition. 

 

The Martyr you showed in the image before of the monk is a singular act of self immolated protest. Not an act of violence toward other people or property. In every one of the entry's given the name of "Protest" on wiki concerning current events involves acts of violence on other people, vandalizing property, arson, and mob violent behavior. That by all literal standard is RIOT. 

 

Webster Dictionary (which is supposed to be the consensus literary definition standard) 

 

Protest:

the act of objecting or a gesture of disapproval resigned in protest especially : a usually organized public demonstration of disapproval. 3 : a complaint, objection, or display of unwillingness usually to an idea or a course of action went under protest.

 

https://www.synonym.com/synonyms/Protest

Again.  Does not exclude violence.  Does not include peaceful either.  

 

  It’s not uncommon at all.  You could almost say historically protests are mostly violent.  It was activists such as Ghandi and Little who were notable for going against the norm in effective strength.  
 

 

 

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“Peaceful” Riots Continue

Three months in, violent demonstrations in Portland show no sign of ending. Police have declared eight riots in the first half of August and a total of 17 since the protests began at the end of May. More than 100 arrests have been made in the past three weeks alone.

National media have been mostly silent on this story, showing interest only in the presence of federal protective agents in the city. The disparity in attention is not hard to figure. For a press so rigorously set on opposition to the Trump administration, the only story of interest in Portland was the authoritarian implications of the president’s executive order aimed at protecting federal property. Insofar as the presence of serious and sustained violence on the part of the protesters was acknowledged at all by left-leaning media and Democratic Party functionaries, it was described as a reaction to Department of Homeland Security officers supposedly provoking unrest in the midst of an otherwise peaceful event. But this narrative is getting harder to maintain as the destruction continues, since federal law-enforcement officers have mostly left.

The Left’s messaging on Portland has swung between valorization of protesters and outrage at instances of police misconduct. Responses from Democratic politicians tend toward a milquetoast condemnation of abstract “violence” paired with an insistence that the protests are “mostly peaceful,” with participants including “pregnant mothers,” as Senator Kamala Harris insisted to DHS Secretary Chad Wolf. But even if many or most protesters are nonviolent at any given moment—thus the “mostly peaceful” refrain—it’s a legalistic distinction when describing a city consumed by chaos.

It’s true that “peaceful protesters” make up a majority in the early hours of daily demonstrations. But clashes between police and demonstrators don’t begin in earnest until later in the night, when the pregnant mothers and other sympathetic characters have gone home, making way for a well-organized coalition of black-bloc-clad anarchists who arrive with the intent of perpetrating violence against a range of targets, including federal officers.

This violence, as its apologists like to emphasize, is predominantly property damage—setting fires to courthouse buildings, firebombing police stations, smashing windows, and covering Portland buildings with graffiti—but it has not been confined to such crimes. Police officers have been sent to the hospital on multiple occasions as a result of street battles with mortar-wielding anarchists. In the past week, a disturbing new video surfaced showing a driver being pulled out of his pickup truck and brutally beaten by a mob.

Democratic leaders owe it to voters to be honest about their disposition toward this mayhem. A June poll showed that the majority of Americans—including 48 percent of Democrats and 52 percent of Independents—supported sending in the military to “supplement police forces” struggling to respond to the recent uprisings in cities throughout the country. Though Arkansas senator Tom Cotton’s New York Times op-ed advocating such a move met with controversy, most Americans strongly oppose sustained public disorder.

But the Democratic Party has moved leftward on these questions. It was less than six years ago that Barack Obama made a point of stating that he had “no sympathy at all” for rioters in Ferguson, Missouri, sending 1,500 National Guard troops into the state to enforce a curfew in response to the violence that erupted after the death of Michael Brown at the hands of a local police officer. Then, as now, Obama’s sentiment reflects the views of a bipartisan majority. Yet today, the Democrats are too beholden to their activist base to give voice to such commonsense opinions.

If our national press were interested in upholding its nominally nonpartisan commitments, reporters would be pressing Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to state their position on the disaster in Portland. Don’t hold your breath.

 

 

'Peaceful Riots'? Journalism Bows to the Woke Mob

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July 31, 2020
 
(AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez)

Just a few weeks ago the idea of “peaceful riots” would have seemed absurd, but the American media is nothing if not inventive these days. Earlier this week, ABC News reported, “Protesters in California set fire to a courthouse, damaged a police station and assaulted officers after a peaceful demonstration intensified.” Legal scholar Eugene Volokh wonders how this terminology would work in the real world: “You are being charged with an intensified peaceful demonstration, in the second degree. How do you plead?”

Indeed, the media’s commitment to tempering their descriptions of violent riots sweeping the nation as “mostly peaceful” is relentless – that particular phrase has become a media cliché practically overnight. Of course, America’s police officers could also be accurately described as “mostly peaceful,” but any journalist who dared to give cops the same generous benefit of the doubt would likely cause a riot in their own newsroom.

That’s why it was almost shocking to read an Associated Press report earlier this week from reporter Mike Balsamo, who embedded with federal law enforcement protecting the Mark O. Hatfield courthouse in downtown Portland.

“I watched as injured officers were hauled inside. In one case, the commercial firework came over so fast the officer didn’t have time to respond. It burned through his sleeves and he had bloody gashes on both forearms. Another had a concussion from being hit in the head with a mortar,” Balsamo reported. “The lights inside the courthouse have to be turned off for safety and the light from high-powered lasers bounced across the lobby almost all night. The fear is palpable. Three officers were struck in the last few weeks and still haven’t regained their vision.”

When protesters in Portland organized a “Wall of Moms” to stand between federal marshals protecting the courthouse and the rioters throwing bricks and shooting fireworks, it prompted gushing media coverage. Columnist Jonathan Alter called the Wall of Moms a “brilliant tactic that may forever change social protest,” apparently unaware that groups such as Hamas have been cynically using human shields for decades. Following their 15 minutes of fame, you will not be surprised to learn that the group has descended into “Judean People’s Front” infighting over the leader’s allegedly insufficient fealty to Black Lives Matter. In spite of media wish-casting, the Wall of Moms was never a morally serious effort.

Naturally, the big beneficiaries of this one-sided media narrative about riots are Democratic Party politicians. On Wednesday, acting Secretary of Homeland Security Chad Wolf announced that the federal government had reached a deal with the city of Portland to downsize the federal law enforcement presence at the courthouse that was clashing with protesters. However, Wolf’s statement made it clear that the deal was contingent on the city stepping up its own police presence to protect the building, which was all the federal government had asked the city to do months ago.

Rather than admit the deal was a tacit acknowledgement Portland had failed its basic responsibility to maintain law and order, Oregon Gov. Kate Brown pretended it was a victory against jackbooted feds who “acted as an occupying force and brought violence.”

But Brown’s rhetoric is dishonest, as she knows better than most. There were nightly riots for weeks before the feds arrived in downtown Portland. Along with Minneapolis and Seattle, Portland holds the dubious distinction of being a city that has failed to protect its own buildings. Rioters had already burned the Multnomah County Justice Center jail and the Portland Police Bureau headquarters, just a few blocks away from the federal courthouse.

 

Speaking as an Oregonian and former resident of Portland, I’ll note that the city’s problems go far beyond the recent riots. Business leaders have been begging City Hall to address law and order issues for years. In 2017, the CEO of Columbia Sportswear, one of Oregon’s most beloved companies, wrote a blistering op-ed about the city’s problems.

“A few days ago, one of our employees had to run into traffic when a stranger outside our office followed her and threatened to kill her,” Tim Boyle wrote. “On other occasions our employees have arrived at work only to be menaced by individuals camping in the doorway. And our employees have had so many car break-ins downtown that we have started referring to parking in Portland as our ‘laptop donation program.’ Given these experiences, it is a relief when the only thing we are dealing with is the garbage and human waste by our front door. Think about that for a minute. This is outrageous and unacceptable.”

Anyone who has spent time in Portland comes to understand the mutually beneficial relationship between the homeless and itinerant gutter-punks who are the main source of the city’s crime and violence and the left-wing activists whose radical agenda of decriminalization lets them control the streets. After police responded to Boyle’s plea to keep excrement out of the doorway of his business, Boyle found himself on the receiving end of organized protests, forcing him to shut down Columbia’s flagship store downtown.

The city has also been capitulating to threats of left-wing political violence for years. Also in 2017, Portland canceled its annual Rose parade after “anti-fascists” threatened violence because members of the Multnomah County Republican Party were among the many civic groups slated to march. It’s one thing to claim that violence is justified against unwanted federal officers invading your city – but threatening local residents with violence because they are Republicans?

Even then, the city rolled over and in doing so conceded that violent left-wing activists control Portland. That’s not hyperbole – taking control of the city was literally one of the threats made in the anonymous email that caused officials to cancel the parade: “You have seen how much power we have downtown and that the police cannot stop us from shutting down roads so please consider your decision wisely.”

Who exactly is in charge in Portland? Well, it’s not Mayor Ted Wheeler, who’s spent years openly disparaging and undermining his own police force even as he let antifa direct traffic in his city. You’d think this would endear Wheeler to the radicals he’s trying to appease, but when he recently made a supportive appearance at the courthouse protests downtown the crowd booed and yelled at him to resign.

At this point, it’s insulting to insist that American consumers of news can’t distinguish legitimate protest from violent rioting that has devastated Portland and dozens of other cities. Similarly, there’s plenty of room for criticism of heavy-handed federal and police tactics, while still understanding that we can’t stand by and let violent mobs burn courthouses. But if covering a story from multiple angles used to be the norm in the media, it’s not anymore.

Ultimately, members of the media have a choice to make – you can be honest about the alarming evidence of law and order breaking down in American cities. Or you can continue to torch your credibility by downplaying the nightly violence for reasons that appear overtly partisan. Please consider your decision wisely.

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4 hours ago, Mattndew76 said:

 

This is exactly how it should be portrayed. Not some sugar coated entry or title intended to shield BLM / ANTIFA from a bad image they had 100% involvement in creating. 

 

The type of lawyer speak word crafting done in Wiki and fact checking sites drive me bonkers. Anyone with a middle school reading level can see that its being done too. 

 

"OJ Simpson's day was mostly peaceful the night that Nicole Brown Simpson died."

 

Joe Rogan  

Actually, that quote should be attributed to Ben Shapiro.

 

Stop being anti-Semitic and attributing the work of a Jew to a man of Italian decent. That’s incredibly racist. 
 

You know who else stole ideas from the Jews?

 

 

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Why the fuck are you guys going back and forth on what is and what is not peaceful ? Its not, plain and simple its not a Riot or protest its out of control CHAOS. Its bullshit, plain and simple.

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cha·os
 complete disorder and confusion.

 

Another word that 'sugar coats' and does not convey exactly what is happening. A riot can contain elements of chaos and protest but riot is more accurate.

 

Look up the synonyms of both protest and riot and you'll see that protest does not nearly pass the test for what was happening. If you still think protest or chaos is what's happening you are willfully ignoring what you see.

 

 

Wiki...

A protest (also called a demonstration, remonstration or remonstrance) is a public expression of objection, disapproval or dissent towards an idea or action, typically a political one.[2][3] Protests can take many different forms, from individual statements to mass demonstrations. Protesters may organize a protest as a way of publicly making their opinions heard in an attempt to influence public opinion or government policy, or they may undertake direct action in an attempt to enact desired changes themselves.[4] Where protests are part of a systematic and peaceful nonviolent campaign to achieve a particular objective, and involve the use of pressure as well as persuasion, they go beyond mere protest and may be better described as cases of civil resistance or nonviolent resistance.[5]

 

A riot (/ˈrət/) is a form of civil disorder commonly characterized by a group lashing out in a violent public disturbance against authority, property or people.

Riots typically involve destruction of property, public or private. The property targeted varies depending on the riot and the inclinations of those involved. Targets can include shops, cars, restaurants, state-owned institutions, and religious buildings.[1]

Riots often occur in reaction to a grievance or out of dissent. Historically, riots have occurred due to poverty, unemployment, poor living conditions, governmental oppression, taxation or conscription, conflicts between ethnic groups (race riot) or religions (sectarian violence, pogrom), the outcome of a sporting event (sports riot, football hooliganism) or frustration with legal channels through which to air grievances.[2]

While individuals may attempt to lead or control a riot, riots typically consist of disorganized groups that are frequently "chaotic and exhibit herd behavior."[1] There is a growing body of evidence to suggest that riots are not irrational, herd-like behavior (sometimes called mob mentality), but actually follow inverted social norms.[3]

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7 hours ago, Soundline said:

Actually, that quote should be attributed to Ben Shapiro.

 

Stop being anti-Semitic and attributing the work of a Jew to a man of Italian decent. That’s incredibly racist. 
 

You know who else stole ideas from the Jews?

 

 


correction made lol

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Word choice should be forefront in the mind of anyone taking responsibility for defending himself or his family. There was a incident where an armed homeowner confronted a robber on his property. The robber was carrying a hatchet. The robber threw the hatchet at the homeowner, the homeowner fired killing the robber. When the homeowner was asked how he knew that the robber was throwing the hatchet at him, rather than discarding it, the homeowner replied, "I heard it fly right by my head".

 

The homeowner was charged with manslaughter.

 

Once the robber released the hatchet and it passed by the homeowner, the standard for "self defense" (in fear for your life) could not be met. Improper word choice sent that homeowner to prison.

 

I'm curious why there is not more uproar for the 17 year old with the AR-15, charged with first degree murder. CNN headlines are now that the protesters chasing him and grabbing the rife were non-violent heroes attempting to disarm him. I suppose it shouldn't matter. I will never attend one of these events and certainly will not attend displaying an AR, but it is disconcerting the news is so blatantly slanted. What lies are told when there isn't video?

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