destruction of america

[wayno]

W.H.O. to fire 2,000 workers because of Trump funding cuts — this is fantastic news.

WHO to lose nearly a quarter of its workforce – 2,000 jobs – due to US withdrawing funding

Donald Trump’s administration withdrew from the World Health Organization in January, prompting the agency to scale back its work

 

 

The World Health Organization has said its workforce will shrink by nearly a quarter – or over 2,000 jobs – by the middle of next year as it seeks to implement reforms after its top donor, the United States, announced its departure.

US President Donald Trump’s administration withdrew from the body upon taking office in January, prompting the agency to scale back its work and cut its management team by half.

 

Washington is by far the UN health agency’s biggest financial backer, contributing about 18% of its overall funding.

The Geneva-based WHO projects that its workforce will shrink by 2,371 posts by June 2026 from 9,401 in January 2025 due to job cuts as well as retirements and departures, according to a presentation set to be shown to its member states on Wednesday.   

 

It does not include the many temporary staff, or consultants, which UN sources say have been made redundant. A WHO spokesperson confirmed the total number of staff leaving the organisation and said the workforce would shrink by up to 22%, depending on how many vacant posts are filled.

While the global health agency said in August that hundreds of staff had departed, this is the first time it has given the full scale of the expected change to its global staff.

“This year has been one of the most difficult in WHO’s history, as we have navigated a painful but necessary process of prioritisation and realignment that has resulted in a significant reduction in our global workforce,” said Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus in a message to staff on Tuesday seen by Reuters, adding that the process was now nearing an end.

“We are now preparing to move forward with our reshaped and renewed Organization,” he added.

The slides also showed that the Geneva-based body has a $1.06bn hole in its 2026-2027 budget, or nearly a quarter of the total required, down from an estimated gap of $1.7bn in May.

That excludes $1.1bn of expected funding that includes deals at various stages of negotiation, the slides showed, without giving details.

The WHO spokesperson said that the portion of the two-year budget currently unfunded was lower than in previous years, attributing that to a smaller budget; the launch of a fundraising round; and an increase in member states’ mandatory fees.

[angliagt]

 An observation - I've been noticing that A LOT of organizations  are getting 

A LOT of Government funds.Whatever happened to raising money with fundraisers

& getting private donations?

[datzenmike]

3 hours ago, wayno said:

W.H.O. to fire 2,000 workers because of Trump funding cuts — this is fantastic news.

WHO to lose nearly a quarter of its workforce – 2,000 jobs – due to US withdrawing funding

Donald Trump’s administration withdrew from the World Health Organization in January, prompting the agency to scale back its work

 

 

 

The World Health Organization has said its workforce will shrink by nearly a quarter – or over 2,000 jobs – by the middle of next year as it seeks to implement reforms after its top donor, the United States, announced its departure.

US President Donald Trump’s administration withdrew from the body upon taking office in January, prompting the agency to scale back its work and cut its management team by half.

 

Washington is by far the UN health agency’s biggest financial backer, contributing about 18% of its overall funding.

The Geneva-based WHO projects that its workforce will shrink by 2,371 posts by June 2026 from 9,401 in January 2025 due to job cuts as well as retirements and departures, according to a presentation set to be shown to its member states on Wednesday.   

 

It does not include the many temporary staff, or consultants, which UN sources say have been made redundant. A WHO spokesperson confirmed the total number of staff leaving the organisation and said the workforce would shrink by up to 22%, depending on how many vacant posts are filled.

While the global health agency said in August that hundreds of staff had departed, this is the first time it has given the full scale of the expected change to its global staff.

“This year has been one of the most difficult in WHO’s history, as we have navigated a painful but necessary process of prioritisation and realignment that has resulted in a significant reduction in our global workforce,” said Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus in a message to staff on Tuesday seen by Reuters, adding that the process was now nearing an end.

“We are now preparing to move forward with our reshaped and renewed Organization,” he added.

The slides also showed that the Geneva-based body has a $1.06bn hole in its 2026-2027 budget, or nearly a quarter of the total required, down from an estimated gap of $1.7bn in May.

That excludes $1.1bn of expected funding that includes deals at various stages of negotiation, the slides showed, without giving details.

The WHO spokesperson said that the portion of the two-year budget currently unfunded was lower than in previous years, attributing that to a smaller budget; the launch of a fundraising round; and an increase in member states’ mandatory fees.

 

 

Possibly it's bloated administratively but who makes that call? I grew up under the assumption it did good all over the (3rd) world but specially at keeping us safe from the rest of the (3rd) world. I can see where free money can lead to this. Maybe some of that money goes to countries not favored by the US? On the other hand pandemics and preventable outbreaks is a great way to 'cull the herd'.

 

There's been a couple of other disturbing things as well. The CDC seems to be also under attack and an anti vax imbecile Kennedy put in charge of the department of health. Soon it will be re-named the department of sickness. WTF? The welfare of the population should come first or be higher than this. 

 

When you run your tires past the wear indicators, it's only a matter of time before they come off.

[datzenmike]

3 hours ago, paradime said:

Something smells rotten about this. Why is this law being sent to the WH like greased lighting? Maybe I have trust issues after being slapped in the face so many times. but my hair stands on end when it's too damn easy.

 

 

 

Your trust issues are well earned. Sure, Trump can declare some names withheld to protect the innocent or it would compromise on-going investigations. Just about anything. 

[paradime]

17 hours ago, datzenmike said:

 

Your trust issues are well earned. Sure, Trump can declare some names withheld to protect the innocent or it would compromise on-going investigations. Just about anything. 

 

From what I understand about the bill, Trump and the DOJ has no power to edit the files. The house gets the whole enchilada. What will be released to the public is another matter.

[datzenmike]

Un-redacted???

[paradime]

21 hours ago, wayno said:

W.H.O. to fire 2,000 workers because of Trump funding cuts — this is fantastic news.

WHO to lose nearly a quarter of its workforce – 2,000 jobs – due to US withdrawing funding

Donald Trump’s administration withdrew from the World Health Organization in January, prompting the agency to scale back its work

 

 

 

The World Health Organization has said its workforce will shrink by nearly a quarter – or over 2,000 jobs – by the middle of next year as it seeks to implement reforms after its top donor, the United States, announced its departure.

US President Donald Trump’s administration withdrew from the body upon taking office in January, prompting the agency to scale back its work and cut its management team by half.

 

Washington is by far the UN health agency’s biggest financial backer, contributing about 18% of its overall funding.

The Geneva-based WHO projects that its workforce will shrink by 2,371 posts by June 2026 from 9,401 in January 2025 due to job cuts as well as retirements and departures, according to a presentation set to be shown to its member states on Wednesday.   

 

It does not include the many temporary staff, or consultants, which UN sources say have been made redundant. A WHO spokesperson confirmed the total number of staff leaving the organisation and said the workforce would shrink by up to 22%, depending on how many vacant posts are filled.

While the global health agency said in August that hundreds of staff had departed, this is the first time it has given the full scale of the expected change to its global staff.

“This year has been one of the most difficult in WHO’s history, as we have navigated a painful but necessary process of prioritisation and realignment that has resulted in a significant reduction in our global workforce,” said Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus in a message to staff on Tuesday seen by Reuters, adding that the process was now nearing an end.

“We are now preparing to move forward with our reshaped and renewed Organization,” he added.

The slides also showed that the Geneva-based body has a $1.06bn hole in its 2026-2027 budget, or nearly a quarter of the total required, down from an estimated gap of $1.7bn in May.

That excludes $1.1bn of expected funding that includes deals at various stages of negotiation, the slides showed, without giving details.

The WHO spokesperson said that the portion of the two-year budget currently unfunded was lower than in previous years, attributing that to a smaller budget; the launch of a fundraising round; and an increase in member states’ mandatory fees.

The US contributed 18% of WHO's total budget, or $1.2B which feels like a fair share for the wealthiest country on the planet. Lest's talk about our own bloated bureaucratic inefficiency, The total revenue of our healthcare system was over $5T. Yet compared to Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom we rake last in access, infant mortality, quality of care, and positive health outcomes. So what's Trump doing to fix this? He's cut more than $1T from Medicaid and coverage under the Affordable Care Act. MAGA is a pseudonym for con-job. 

[wayno]

 

To Preserve the Republic, Technology Platforms Must Uphold Our Rights

Can ubiquitous technology coexist with the right to privacy? Yes. But only if citizens take an active role in shaping the law and protecting themselves.

Guest Author Nov 20   ∙   Guest post

by Joe Weil
November 20, 2025

America’s founders knew the surest path to tyranny was unchecked power over the flow of information. So they put in place protections for channels of communication, blocked government control of the press, and prohibited warrantless seizure of property.

But today we carry in our pockets devices that the Constitution’s framers never imagined — smartphones — that have quietly become tools of surveillance and control.

The Founders’ commitment to secure private communication was more than theory. The Post Office Act of 1792 prohibited unauthorized opening of letters, and the Fourth Amendment extended broad protections to personal correspondence. To this day, opening someone else’s mail is a federal felony, and postal employees face criminal penalties if they tamper with or disclose the messages entrusted to them.

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Fast forward to 1976 and 1979. Two Supreme Court cases changed the definition of privacy. In United States v. Miller and Smith v. Maryland, the court expanded the legal notion of third-party doctrine, ruling that a citizen’s private information lost Fourth Amendment protection — and could be seized by the government — once it was voluntarily shared with an outside entity. At the time, that meant banks and phone companies, the primary third parties handling personal data.

Did you know your letters are more secure, legally speaking, than your phone calls or internet?

Since then, that doctrine’s reach has expanded dramatically alongside technology, as chronicled by author Byron Tau — now enabling digital advertisers, data harvesters, and tech companies to buy and sell the firehose of personal data that pours from our smartphones into the hands of third parties.

Most of the financial value of our data lies in its use for targeted advertising. But it is also routinely bought by government agencies for social research and investigations — without probable-cause warrants. With just a few taps, officials can see who attends protests, worships at churches or mosques, shops at gun stores, visits gay bars or crypto conventions, or even which websites and apps someone uses. The smartphone advertising industry has turned our phones into the most pervasive surveillance system ever built — one that quietly erodes the very freedoms our devices promised to empower.

The erosion of digital privacy is not the only threat to our freedom and our constitutional rights. Popular smartphone platforms have also become a direct threat to free speech. These devices are no longer just phones; they are the town square and the printing press of modern life, the place where we learn, debate, and share ideas. Yet the corporations that control them have made one thing clear: when speech becomes politically inconvenient, they will silence it.

Between 2020 and 2024, attempts to police debate about election law and COVID-19 produced a censorship regime replete with public cancellations, soft silencing, and redefined terminology reminiscent of 1984. Cooperation between the tech censors and their allies in government blurred the lines between private moderation and state censorship, and evoked the chilling specter of a one-party state.

 

In 2021, one moment eliminated all ambiguity. Under pressure from activists, all of the largest social media apps had canceled numerous conservative voices. One app stood apart: Parler.

Almost overnight, it became the most popular app in the world. But in that political climate, dissent was not tolerated. On a single day, Apple and Google pulled Parler from their app stores, and Amazon shut down its web services — instantly silencing debate. The very platforms built to connect us became instruments of control.

Some see Big Tech’s invasion of privacy and erosion of free speech as a non-constitutional issue, concluding that the Constitution binds government, not business. That stance rejects government control but overlooks the comparable power of corporations over the same freedoms, not to mention the “loophole” this creates for government to outsource its First, Fourth, and Fifth Amendment violations.

As citizens and consumers, we must recognize our responsibility in shaping the digital future we finance. It’s easy to cast Big Tech as overreaching oligarchs, but the harder truth is that they give us exactly what we pay for — whether with our cash, our clicks, or our data. If we keep rewarding products that surveil and silence us, we should not be surprised when they do just that.

But resistance is growing. A rising movement is challenging Big Tech’s grip and government surveillance — both in the courts and in the marketplace. Civil liberties groups like the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and digital rights advocates like the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) are pressing litigation to restore constitutional protections for privacy and expression.

Meanwhile, innovators are building platforms outside the Apple–Google duopoly to defend user autonomy and digital freedom — and with investors fueling their scale, the movement is building the power to take on Big Tech. It will be American innovation, not regulation alone, that secures our digital future.

But real change will come only if citizens take action and reject the status quo. That means choosing alternatives to Big Tech, demanding stronger privacy protections, and standing up to government overreach and the misuse of our data.

Our founders entrusted us with a republic. Benjamin Franklin warned it could be kept only through vigilance. That charge falls on us now. Preserving it today requires decisive action. We must stop financing platforms that sell our freedoms for profit and start insisting on alternatives that defend them.

We still have the power to choose — but if we fail to use it, the republic, and our liberties, will be lost by our own consent.

— Joe Weil is CEO of Unplugged, a smartphone company dedicated to restoring privacy,
protecting free speech, and ensuring that phones safeguard our rights instead of eroding them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 20, 2025 by wayno

[EDM620]

On 11/19/2025 at 7:44 AM, datzenmike said:

Those hideous gold appointments! WH looks like a tacky casino.  

Hey, Gold paint is cheap but looks it too. Did someone pillage Fort Knox? I'll bet $5 that the next president will spend big bucks to restore the WH, maybe the Rose Garden too. Double tap to taxpayers.

 

Recent acquisitions: 1 gilded 747 from the Saudis' already ('cause AF1 must suck) and an actual golden crown courtesy of South Korea. These are gifts to Trump, not to the USA. Pending is the Riviera formerly known as the West Bank. I've probably missed a few...

 

Can Trumps' loyalty be bought? Friendships seem fleeting - buddy today, sworn enemy tomorrow.

 

On 11/19/2025 at 1:25 PM, paradime said:

Why is this law being sent to the WH like greased lighting?

What do you think of the likelihood that this will become a dance between the Justice Dept. and Trump lawyers? Tie this affair up for a year or more? Kill it in the courts? IMHO the about-face on releasing the files = we got a way to control it. Personally I'd like to see the offenders be named publicly - all of them, not just a select few.

 

Now in support, if indeed the BBC did such a crap job of editing audio files as appears to be shown, then damn right Trump has a stand there.

[EDM620]

56 minutes ago, wayno said:

But today we carry in our pockets devices that the Constitution’s framers never imagined — smartphones — that have quietly become tools of surveillance and control

That is truth indeed. If you were to ask anyone if they would willingly let government to put a chip in them to allow tracking, we would all say NO! Instead, we voluntarily and willingly carry around the best possible tracking devices, plus people post on social media all sorts of personal information about themselves and others. An online presence is not factual, but that photo is GPS located and your face is on it. Big Brother knows what you did, where, when and with who.

Google search yourself and see what you find.

[datzenmike]

...and the fucking things are listening all the time also. Cars too so watch what you say. My wife insisted I have one after I retired and its stripped and doesn't have internet. I use it for texting and the phone works (I received but have never sent) and that's it. Thing is it's borrowed, not tied to me or her, not sure where she borrowed it from but tracking or not it's tracking some other owner. Everyone should trade their phones with friends. 

[wayno]

White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller Discusses the Consequences of Sedition

November 21, 2025 | Sundance | 6 Comments

Senator Elissa Slotkin (Mich), a former CIA analyst who worked in the State Department and Pentagon during the Obama administration organized a viral video with Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona, Reps. Chris Deluzio and Chrissy Houlahan of Pennsylvania, Rep. Maggie Goodlander of New Hampshire, and Rep. Jason Crow of Colorado.

The six congressional representatives directed their coordinated communication to members of the military and intelligence community. “Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren’t just coming from abroad, but from right here at home. Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders … you must refuse illegal orders,” they asserted.

However, when questioned about what “illegal orders” President Trump has created, the six members are suddenly very quiet.  White House Deputy Chief of Staff, Stephen Miller responds:

.

Ultimately, U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi could easily assign an FBI agent and U.S attorney to question the six members about the “illegal orders” they are telling the military and intelligence community to defy.

If Slotkin, Kelly and the rest cannot present evidence of an illegal order they are referring to, that would be a qualification that should presumably invoke a first amendment defense claim, then charge them with simple sedition as defined in statute.

 

Posted in 1st Amendment, Big Government, Big Stupid Government, Donald Trump, Fourth Branch of Govt, Lawfare, Military, Notorious Liars, President Trump, propaganda

[wayno]

Press ReleasePublished: Nov 21, 2025

Comer: Bill and Hillary Clinton Must Appear for In-Person Depositions

WASHINGTON – Today, House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) sent a letter to Bill and Hillary Clinton’s attorney, David Kendall, emphasizing that while the Committee remains engaged in good-faith negotiations, the Clintons are required to comply with lawful subpoenas and appear for scheduled in-person depositions.

“The House Oversight Committee is continuing its review of the federal government’s investigation into Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. In July, Democrats and Republicans on this Committee approved a motion to issue subpoenas to Bill and Hillary Clinton. The Committee has since worked in good faith to schedule in-person depositions, but further delays are unacceptable. Given their history with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, any attempt by the Clintons to avoid sitting for a deposition would be in defiance of lawful subpoenas and grounds to initiate contempt of Congress proceedings. The Committee looks forward to confirming their appearance and remains committed to delivering transparency and accountability for the survivors of Epstein’s heinous crimes and for the American people,” said Chairman James Comer.

In the letter to the Clintons’ attorney, Chairman Comer states that Bill Clinton’s deposition is scheduled for December 17, 2025, and Hillary Clinton’s deposition is scheduled for December 18, 2025.

On July 23, 2025, the Subcommittee on Federal Law Enforcement of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform approved a motion by voice vote directing the Committee to authorize and issue deposition subpoenas for Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton. The Committee may use the results of this investigation to inform legislative solutions to improve federal efforts to combat sex trafficking and reform the use of non-prosecution agreements and/or plea agreements in sex-crime investigations.

Read the letter to Bill and Hillary Clinton’s attorney, David Kendall, here. 

[paradime]

This was Donny's tune on Mamdani 4 months ago. 

 

 

This is his tune today. No, it wasn't me who said you were a commie. It was Pence.

 

 

[datzenmike]

The stupid things said by politicians are exceeded only by the stupid people that elect them.

 

 

Politics makes strange bedfellows.

 

 

[paradime]

3 hours ago, wayno said:

White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller Discusses the Consequences of Sedition

November 21, 2025 | Sundance | 6 Comments

Senator Elissa Slotkin (Mich), a former CIA analyst who worked in the State Department and Pentagon during the Obama administration organized a viral video with Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona, Reps. Chris Deluzio and Chrissy Houlahan of Pennsylvania, Rep. Maggie Goodlander of New Hampshire, and Rep. Jason Crow of Colorado.

The six congressional representatives directed their coordinated communication to members of the military and intelligence community. “Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren’t just coming from abroad, but from right here at home. Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders … you must refuse illegal orders,” they asserted.

However, when questioned about what “illegal orders” President Trump has created, the six members are suddenly very quiet.  White House Deputy Chief of Staff, Stephen Miller responds:

.

Ultimately, U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi could easily assign an FBI agent and U.S attorney to question the six members about the “illegal orders” they are telling the military and intelligence community to defy.

If Slotkin, Kelly and the rest cannot present evidence of an illegal order they are referring to, that would be a qualification that should presumably invoke a first amendment defense claim, then charge them with simple sedition as defined in statute.

 

Posted in 1st Amendment, Big Government, Big Stupid Government, Donald Trump, Fourth Branch of Govt, Lawfare, Military, Notorious Liars, President Trump, propaganda

Rapid back peddle on this one

 

 

[datzenmike]

6 hours ago, wayno said:

White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller Discusses the Consequences of Sedition

November 21, 2025 | Sundance | 6 Comments

Senator Elissa Slotkin (Mich), a former CIA analyst who worked in the State Department and Pentagon during the Obama administration organized a viral video with Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona, Reps. Chris Deluzio and Chrissy Houlahan of Pennsylvania, Rep. Maggie Goodlander of New Hampshire, and Rep. Jason Crow of Colorado.

The six congressional representatives directed their coordinated communication to members of the military and intelligence community. “Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren’t just coming from abroad, but from right here at home. Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders … you must refuse illegal orders,” they asserted.

However, when questioned about what “illegal orders” President Trump has created, the six members are suddenly very quiet.  White House Deputy Chief of Staff, Stephen Miller responds:

.

Ultimately, U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi could easily assign an FBI agent and U.S attorney to question the six members about the “illegal orders” they are telling the military and intelligence community to defy.

If Slotkin, Kelly and the rest cannot present evidence of an illegal order they are referring to, that would be a qualification that should presumably invoke a first amendment defense claim, then charge them with simple sedition as defined in statute.

 

Posted in 1st Amendment, Big Government, Big Stupid Government, Donald Trump, Fourth Branch of Govt, Lawfare, Military, Notorious Liars, President Trump, propaganda

 

Pretty sure you can refuse unlawful orders without any intent to overthrow the government by force. 

[EDM620]

3 hours ago, datzenmike said:

Pretty sure you can refuse unlawful orders without any intent to overthrow the government by force.

In essence the statement holds true for most everything. People are not expected to blindly follow orders, rather they should be understanding of what those orders entail, and within scope of the order. If the situation is in active combat, and your commander demands you do something you know to be unlawful, then what - do as he says and just plead ignorance? Hold this girl down while I rape her? No.

 

Consider this: in most jobs that present a risk of injury, workers are expected and advised to refuse to do unsafe work. A construction safety officer is obligated to stop unsafe work they are witness to, even if the job site is not their own responsibility. As an airline passenger, you are advised to put your oxygen mask on before your child. Why do you think that sequence exists? Not because the child is disposable, but so the adult remains able to care for the child.

 

Doing something that knowingly puts you or others in harm is not acceptable. Military, Construction, Emergency Services, etc. You may willingly choose to enter a burning building to rescue someone else, but that is by choice, not by someone else's command. A person must consider the situation and the consequence. If I tell you to jump off a building...

 

I believe that the purpose to the video was to remind those serving in the military to use their brains and think about what might be ordered of them.

[wayno]

20 hours ago, datzenmike said:

 

Pretty sure you can refuse unlawful orders without any intent to overthrow the government by force. 

Another worthless response, "Pretty sure" means shit, but it gets another post to your count total in this thread.

 

You and Paradime have chased off several members in this thread, Paradime is one thing, but you datzenmike are a moderator, unlike any moderator I have ever seen or even heard of, as a moderator I do not believe it is your job to chase members off.

[datzenmike]

Very well, I'm positive that you can refuse illegal orders and still not have any intent of overthrowing the government by force. If you want an example of insurrection you have only to look at MAGAs storming the capitol on Jan 6th. As for sedition,Trump wound them up, inciting them to do it. So there.

 

If anyone was chased off it's because their position and convictions were weak. Every day MAGA support is melting away. Trump is the biggest threat to democracy ever faced by America and YOU damn well know it. 

 

Talk about a worthless post! Bitching about the Democrats with Rod Martin quotes gets you another post too. 

[paradime]

7 hours ago, wayno said:

Another worthless response, "Pretty sure" means shit, but it gets another post to your count total in this thread.

 

You and Paradime have chased off several members in this thread, Paradime is one thing, but you datzenmike are a moderator, unlike any moderator I have ever seen or even heard of, as a moderator I do not believe it is your job to chase members off.

My intent has never been to chase anyone off, but I think these members left because Trump is not worth fighting for.  

[bottomwatcher]

11 hours ago, wayno said:

Another worthless response, "Pretty sure" means shit, but it gets another post to your count total in this thread.

 

You and Paradime have chased off several members in this thread, Paradime is one thing, but you datzenmike are a moderator, unlike any moderator I have ever seen or even heard of, as a moderator I do not believe it is your job to chase members off.

Remember this is just an obscure thread on a relatively small website. Nothing to get upset about. Ignore destruction of America if you get bothered by it, easy to do. Just a spot where a couple of assholes who have a common like of datsuns can bitch and moan about US politics. It keeps the politics in one spot so it doesn't creep into other threads. Don't need to tell someone they must have TDS because they prefer a KAE over a KADE.

[datzenmike]

Trumps rhetoric, morals and actions are indefensible. To denounce his opponents is tantamount to supporting him. Aim your criticism where it will do the most good for America.

 

"Will no one rid me of this troublesome Trump?"

 

 

I'm a sucker for large valve covers so yes, I prefer the E over the DE.

 

 

 

In other news Trump's 'peace plan' is to have Ukraine cede land to the aggressor Putin. I've warned about this many times and it flies in the face of all the suffering and sacrifice that has been made this far. Ukraine is slowly winning or perhaps it's Russia is slowly loosing this attack on a sovereign nation. Historically, appeasement is never the answer to aggression. 

 

 

[wayno]

18 hours ago, datzenmike said:

Very well, I'm positive that you can refuse illegal orders and still not have any intent of overthrowing the government by force. If you want an example of insurrection you have only to look at MAGAs storming the capitol on Jan 6th. As for sedition,Trump wound them up, inciting them to do it. So there.

 

If anyone was chased off it's because their position and convictions were weak. Every day MAGA support is melting away. Trump is the biggest threat to democracy ever faced by America and YOU damn well know it. 

 

Talk about a worthless post! Bitching about the Democrats with Rod Martin quotes gets you another post too. 

 

My last 4 posts with articles were not written by Rod Martin, one was a guest of his site (by Joe Weil, November 20, 2025), but nothing was written by him in the last 4 articles I posted(I did not go back further than page 1050, I am still waiting for you to show negative feedback about RodMartin.org except for what you have written in this thread.

 

Their positions are not weak except in your mind, how would you know "MAGA support is melting away", you have said in this thread you don't watch TV or anything else like that.

 

Many Ratsun members here in this thread don't want to listen to you anymore(except the far left in this thread), if any of us post something you attack it without any proof, after a while they just leave(chased away) the thread because you are not rational, I suggested this thread would be better without you when members were trying have real discussions, nothing has changed about my opinion on this subject, I expect if I complained to Jeff he would just close the thread because that is the easy way without having to deal with your reaction if you were told to stop posting to this thread, I suspect you would quit Ratsun if you were told to stop posting to this thread as you likely would be furious, none of us want this thread closed, but some of us would like it if you were not posting in this thread.

 

You said this, "Trump is the biggest threat to democracy ever faced by America and YOU damn well know it.", I think he is the only one willing to try and save this country from Communist's, they call themselves Democrats running a "bureaucratic state" which includes Lincoln Project Republicans (they are the same as these far left Democrats), they are the biggest threat to this country.

[paradime]

5 hours ago, datzenmike said:

Trumps rhetoric, morals and actions are indefensible. To denounce his opponents is tantamount to supporting him. Aim your criticism where it will do the most good for America.

 

"Will no one rid me of this troublesome Trump?"

 

 

I'm a sucker for large valve covers so yes, I prefer the E over the DE.

 

 

 

In other news Trump's 'peace plan' is to have Ukraine cede land to the aggressor Putin. I've warned about this many times and it flies in the face of all the suffering and sacrifice that has been made this far. Ukraine is slowly winning or perhaps it's Russia is slowly loosing this attack on a sovereign nation. Historically, appeasement is never the answer to aggression. 

 

 

Leading up to this clumsy hale Mary, Ukraine has taken out half of Russias navy in the Baltic, destroyed 3 massive ammo and weapons facilities inside the iron curtain, 2 air bases, their oil pipe line, oil refineries across the country including Moscow, and a nuclear power plant. Russia's military, economy, and civil unity are at a breaking point. Putin'sbeen abandoned by his allied dictators, so his grip on power is falling apart. This ridiculous "peace plan" was DOA. The US State Department and the EU allies know it was written by Putin and Trump was just his devoted delivery boy. We've been here before, and it's obvious Zelensky will not accept the Ukraine insult plan 2.0. So again, he has two weeks to plan his next Fuck You military response.