destruction of america

[datzenmike]

 

HTF did this idiot ever get elected??? Makes Biden look good. 

[datzenmike]

 

This is just too easy.

[frankendat]

On 10/2/2025 at 7:09 PM, datzenmike said:

 

HTF did this idiot ever get elected??? Makes Biden look good. 

Yes, he is an idiot, but have the election today and my vote remains unchanged. The Democrats want an America that I do not want. This is not to say, I want Trump's America, but at least I can work in and with Trump's America, which means there is a chance it can be better. The Democrats want socialism, socialism leads to communism, communism leads to death and suffering.

 

Before, someone attempts the same stolen star wars reference with the Republicans and fascism, as I have noted time and time again, the Republicans (for now) allow citizens to remain armed. An armed citizenry is the final fail safe against the installation of destructive authoritarian regimes. 

 

Before, comparison of current political practices to former authoritarian regimes, take a minute and check yourself. The inconveniences and frustrations, some perhaps unjustly, endured by few, pale when contrasted with the historical accounts of slaughter and starvation of many.  

 

I feel justified in focusing on the extreme, because the Democrats are extreme, yet pander to fools, by claiming they are reasonable. Case in point--the problems in Washington and the government focus on healthcare for those illegally in the United States. HEALTHCARE FOR THOSE ILLEGALLY IN THE UNITED STATES! and this is a debate? WTF. Trump can stop wearing pants and have the White House covered in gold AND I WILL STILL TAKE HIM, EVERY SINGLE DAY

[tr8er]

On 10/1/2025 at 12:30 PM, wayno said:

Don’t Say Liberal, Progressive, or Woke. BRAND the Real Enemy: Democrats.

Excellent messaging advice from the inventor of political direct mail and "Funding Father" of the Conservative Movement Richard Viguerie.

Guest Author Oct 1   ∙   Guest post

 

 

NOTE: On this day when Democrats have shut down the Federal government — again — because the President won’t give in to their demand for $1 TRILLION borrowed dollars to give illegal aliens Medicaid, Richard Viguerie’s words below are all the more essential.

And let’s be clear. “Socialists” aren’t demanding we bankrupt the country for illegal aliens. “Progressives” aren’t. “Liberals” aren’t. Democrats are. And we need to be honest about that and say so. — RDM

by Richard A. Viguerie
October 1, 2025

I have written about this issue before, but in light of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, I thought it bears repeating. It’s so very, very important.

STOP saying liberal. STOP saying woke. STOP saying progressive, Socialist, or Marxist.

Those words don’t appear on any ballot. Not anywhere, unless you live in Vermont and Bernie Sanders is running.

The word that appears on election ballots is DEMOCRAT.

We need to be perfectly clear. Those who are causing most all of America’s serious problems are DEMOCRATS.

The vast majority of our political crises and problems are caused by people who either identify as Democrats or vote Democrat.

Once something is branded — whether positive or negative — it sticks. Like Super Glue, that label is hard to shake. Whenever you speak, write, or post, identify our political opponents as DEMOCRATS.

That’s why we must BRAND the Democrat Party as anti-God, anti-America, violent, and the party of Big Government, elite socialists and Marxists: because they are. If we do not define them, they will define themselves, deceitfully.

For daily geopolitical analysis Fox Business calls “absolutely phenomenal” sign up as a FREE or PREMIUM Member today!

 

Charlie Kirk’s assassination brought those stakes into painful focus.

Charlie dedicated his life to building a new generation of young conservative leaders, mobilizing millions of young conservatives to engage in civilized, peaceful discussions and debates. His loss is a call to action for us to brand the Democrat Party’s policies so clearly and permanently that voters will never again be misled by their rhetoric.

Your every conversation, email, blog, podcast, newsletter, fundraising letter, website, and media appearance is a chance to BRAND the Democrats as the cause of most of America’s problems.

Right now, the Democrat Party is confused, weak, and angry. That gives us conservatives a rare, perhaps once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to push it toward the ash heap of history.

But don’t be fooled and assume the Democrats will stay this way heading into the 2026 midterms, 2028 presidential election, or far beyond. History shows they usually find a way to bounce back, unless we effectively and quickly BRAND them as so toxic that voters will never again trust them.

Charlie’s murder was not an isolated incident. It is part of a dangerous and continuing pattern of political violence driven by the international Left. But this is nothing new.

From the French Revolution’s guillotine mobs to the Bolshevik Revolution to today’s Antifa rioters, the Left has always used violence and intimidation to silence opponents and seize power. It’s in their DNA and a continuation of a centuries-old pattern.

• After George Floyd’s death, Democrat-led protests caused over $2 billion in damage and 25 deaths. Contrast that with Charlie Kirk’s murder. There were no riots or deaths; only hundreds of prayer vigils, including a peaceful, faith-based memorial service attended by 100,000 and watched by 100,000,000. The only “damage” came from opponents defacing makeshift memorials in his honor.

• Conservative speakers on college campuses face harassment and are often cancelled, under the excuse of “inadequate security,” with student groups forced to pay thousands in security fees just to host them.

• President Trump survived two assassination attempts, one of which nearly killed him, left a rallygoer dead, and injured several others.

• A Bernie Sanders supporter from Belleville, Illinois attempted to kill as many Republican members of Congress as he could while they were practicing on a baseball field for the annual Congressional Baseball Game. The Republican House Minority Leader, Steve Scalise, was seriously wounded and 24 Republican Congressional members were only saved from being murdered by an alert security guard.

• Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh was targeted by a transexual man in 2022, who admitted he intended to assassinate three conservative Supreme Court Justices to “alter the constitutional order” so that three Democrat justices could be appointed in their place.

• In August 2012, an LGBTQ+ volunteer attempted to kill more than 20 employees at Family Research Council’s Washington, D.C. headquarters but was stopped by a security guard who was critically wounded.

• Throughout the first half of 2025, hundreds of Teslas nationwide were destroyed or defaced in a wave of firebombing, arson, and vandalism during anti-Elon Musk, anti-DOGE protests intended to intimidate both Musk and those who might support him.

 

It’s not just violent acts either. Time and again, Democrats’ own words have fueled this hostility:

• Senator Chuck Schumer threatened Supreme Court Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch, saying, “you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price” if they restricted abortion rights.

• Congresswoman Maxine Waters urged supporters to harass Trump Cabinet officials, telling them to make sure those officials were “not welcome anymore, anywhere.”

• Illinois Governor JB Pritzker compared the Trump administration to Nazi Germany, warning that it took the Nazis just 53 days to “dismantle a constitutional republic.”

• Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett, just days after Charlie Kirk’s assassination, called President Trump a “wannabe Hitler.”

• Former President Joe Biden and his Vice President Kamala Harris labeled Trump a “fascist.”

• Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib claimed that the MAGA movement was “a violent, fascist insurrection.”

None of these are random “Woke” people, “Progressives”, or “Socialists”. They are leading Democrats. Their supporters are too. We need to say so.

When Democrats demonize conservatives as Nazis or fascists, they give license to extremists who take those words literally. Convince people someone is “the next Hitler,” and violence no longer seems extreme: it feels necessary and justified.

The connection is clear: nearly every crisis Americans face today stems directly from Democrat policies. If we move quickly and effectively while people are paying close attention to the news, we can show that the problems worrying or angering them, the very problems Trump is working to fix, are the result of those Democrat policies, including:

• Open borders intentionally letting in millions of unvetted illegal aliens, many with criminal backgrounds.

• A crushing national debt to be paid by our children and grandchildren.

• Over 100,000 drug deaths a year from Chinese-produced fentanyl smuggled through Mexico.

• Men invading women’s sports, bathrooms, and locker rooms.

• DEI being forced on our military, colleges, and corporations.

• CRT indoctrinating schoolchildren that America is a racist nation, that white people are inherently and irredeemably racist, and that all others are literally incapable of racism, regardless of what they believe or do.

• Grade school kids exposed to drag queens, pornography, and obscene books.

• A war on God, religion, and religious liberty.

• A war on law enforcement, leaving us with fewer cops on the streets.

• Inner cities that resemble war zones leading to the death of tens of thousands of Americans, mostly under 30, instead of safe communities for families.

• Federal agencies like the FBI, IRS, CIA, DOJ, and Military weaponized against conservatives.

• Soft-on-crime prosecutors letting criminals walk free.

• Etc., etc.

If we BRAND Democrat politicians and the Democrat Party as the cause of most of America’s problems, we’ll be in good shape in future elections, whether for the White House, Congress, state house, state legislature, school boards, or city hall.

 

For decades, Democrats successfully BRANDED Republicans as the party of the rich, Wall Street, and “trickle-down” economics. They smeared Republicans as heartless, ready to take away Social Security, Medicare, even going so far as to unplug Grandpa’s oxygen machine and put Grandma out in the cold.

All lies, but effective lies. Democrats won many elections with these lies.

Imagine the impact on next year’s midterm elections if by telling the truth, through consistent BRANDING of the Democrats, we help millions of people become modern-day Paul Revere Riders, spreading the truth to 25-50 of their family, friends, and neighbors that most of our national problems are caused by Democrats.

Add to that the reach of tens of thousands of other conservative leaders doing the same, and then tens of millions of low-information voters will head to the polls with one thought stuck in their minds:

DEMOCRATS ARE ANTI-GOD, ANTI-AMERICA, VIOLENT, BIG GOVERNMENT, ELITE SOCIALISTS/MARXISTS.

Because they are.

No matter the platform you use, your message should be the same: DEMOCRATS ARE THE PROBLEM.

If that happens, conservatives will win a landslide in 2026 — increasing their majorities in the U.S. House and U.S. Senate, adding governors, state officials, state legislators, and city and county leaders across America.

Democrats are not just our political opponents. They have launched a SPIRITUAL CIVIL WAR against traditional, Judeo-Christian values, just as they once launched a literal Civil War to keep their slaves and destroy America. They want to replace our Constitutional Republic with a one-party socialist/Marxist state, and ultimately a one-world government run by elites.

This is what they call “Our Democracy”?

Charlie showed how powerful BRANDING can be when one leader gives millions of young people the tools to speak the truth boldly. His example should inspire us to keep pressing forward, louder and stronger.

Of course, not every Democrat politician has called for violence. But every politician who has smeared conservatives as fascists or Nazis carries the Democrat label.

(By the way, Nazi is an abbreviation for National Socialist German Workers Party, and the Nazis were also known as fascists. Nazis and fascists are people of the Left, not the Right.)

The party’s leadership is increasingly aligned with and composed of radicals, and it is their destructive policies, rhetoric, and agenda dragging America toward ruin. That is why we must brand the Democrat Party, not just individuals or ideologies, as the source of our nation’s problems.

Every political word you speak, every political message you send, BRAND the Democrat Party. From the podcast to the pulpit, blog to the backyard, BRAND the Democrats, because the identification on the ballot is always DEMOCRAT.

Holy shit.  This guy actually thinks the Democrats killed Charlie Kirk.  

[datzenmike]

Shouldn't be hard to find an opposing view on line that says he fell out of a window.

[difrangia]

On 10/1/2025 at 5:30 PM, wayno said:

Don’t Say Liberal, Progressive, or Woke. BRAND the Real Enemy: Democrats.

Excellent messaging advice from the inventor of political direct mail and "Funding Father" of the Conservative Movement Richard Viguerie.

Guest Author Oct 1   ∙   Guest post

 

 

NOTE: On this day when Democrats have shut down the Federal government — again — because the President won’t give in to their demand for $1 TRILLION borrowed dollars to give illegal aliens Medicaid, Richard Viguerie’s words below are all the more essential.

And let’s be clear. “Socialists” aren’t demanding we bankrupt the country for illegal aliens. “Progressives” aren’t. “Liberals” aren’t. Democrats are. And we need to be honest about that and say so. — RDM

by Richard A. Viguerie
October 1, 2025

I have written about this issue before, but in light of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, I thought it bears repeating. It’s so very, very important.

STOP saying liberal. STOP saying woke. STOP saying progressive, Socialist, or Marxist.

Those words don’t appear on any ballot. Not anywhere, unless you live in Vermont and Bernie Sanders is running.

The word that appears on election ballots is DEMOCRAT.

We need to be perfectly clear. Those who are causing most all of America’s serious problems are DEMOCRATS.

The vast majority of our political crises and problems are caused by people who either identify as Democrats or vote Democrat.

Once something is branded — whether positive or negative — it sticks. Like Super Glue, that label is hard to shake. Whenever you speak, write, or post, identify our political opponents as DEMOCRATS.

That’s why we must BRAND the Democrat Party as anti-God, anti-America, violent, and the party of Big Government, elite socialists and Marxists: because they are. If we do not define them, they will define themselves, deceitfully.

For daily geopolitical analysis Fox Business calls “absolutely phenomenal” sign up as a FREE or PREMIUM Member today!

 

Charlie Kirk’s assassination brought those stakes into painful focus.

Charlie dedicated his life to building a new generation of young conservative leaders, mobilizing millions of young conservatives to engage in civilized, peaceful discussions and debates. His loss is a call to action for us to brand the Democrat Party’s policies so clearly and permanently that voters will never again be misled by their rhetoric.

Your every conversation, email, blog, podcast, newsletter, fundraising letter, website, and media appearance is a chance to BRAND the Democrats as the cause of most of America’s problems.

Right now, the Democrat Party is confused, weak, and angry. That gives us conservatives a rare, perhaps once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to push it toward the ash heap of history.

But don’t be fooled and assume the Democrats will stay this way heading into the 2026 midterms, 2028 presidential election, or far beyond. History shows they usually find a way to bounce back, unless we effectively and quickly BRAND them as so toxic that voters will never again trust them.

Charlie’s murder was not an isolated incident. It is part of a dangerous and continuing pattern of political violence driven by the international Left. But this is nothing new.

From the French Revolution’s guillotine mobs to the Bolshevik Revolution to today’s Antifa rioters, the Left has always used violence and intimidation to silence opponents and seize power. It’s in their DNA and a continuation of a centuries-old pattern.

• After George Floyd’s death, Democrat-led protests caused over $2 billion in damage and 25 deaths. Contrast that with Charlie Kirk’s murder. There were no riots or deaths; only hundreds of prayer vigils, including a peaceful, faith-based memorial service attended by 100,000 and watched by 100,000,000. The only “damage” came from opponents defacing makeshift memorials in his honor.

• Conservative speakers on college campuses face harassment and are often cancelled, under the excuse of “inadequate security,” with student groups forced to pay thousands in security fees just to host them.

• President Trump survived two assassination attempts, one of which nearly killed him, left a rallygoer dead, and injured several others.

• A Bernie Sanders supporter from Belleville, Illinois attempted to kill as many Republican members of Congress as he could while they were practicing on a baseball field for the annual Congressional Baseball Game. The Republican House Minority Leader, Steve Scalise, was seriously wounded and 24 Republican Congressional members were only saved from being murdered by an alert security guard.

• Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh was targeted by a transexual man in 2022, who admitted he intended to assassinate three conservative Supreme Court Justices to “alter the constitutional order” so that three Democrat justices could be appointed in their place.

• In August 2012, an LGBTQ+ volunteer attempted to kill more than 20 employees at Family Research Council’s Washington, D.C. headquarters but was stopped by a security guard who was critically wounded.

• Throughout the first half of 2025, hundreds of Teslas nationwide were destroyed or defaced in a wave of firebombing, arson, and vandalism during anti-Elon Musk, anti-DOGE protests intended to intimidate both Musk and those who might support him.

 

It’s not just violent acts either. Time and again, Democrats’ own words have fueled this hostility:

• Senator Chuck Schumer threatened Supreme Court Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch, saying, “you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price” if they restricted abortion rights.

• Congresswoman Maxine Waters urged supporters to harass Trump Cabinet officials, telling them to make sure those officials were “not welcome anymore, anywhere.”

• Illinois Governor JB Pritzker compared the Trump administration to Nazi Germany, warning that it took the Nazis just 53 days to “dismantle a constitutional republic.”

• Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett, just days after Charlie Kirk’s assassination, called President Trump a “wannabe Hitler.”

• Former President Joe Biden and his Vice President Kamala Harris labeled Trump a “fascist.”

• Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib claimed that the MAGA movement was “a violent, fascist insurrection.”

None of these are random “Woke” people, “Progressives”, or “Socialists”. They are leading Democrats. Their supporters are too. We need to say so.

When Democrats demonize conservatives as Nazis or fascists, they give license to extremists who take those words literally. Convince people someone is “the next Hitler,” and violence no longer seems extreme: it feels necessary and justified.

The connection is clear: nearly every crisis Americans face today stems directly from Democrat policies. If we move quickly and effectively while people are paying close attention to the news, we can show that the problems worrying or angering them, the very problems Trump is working to fix, are the result of those Democrat policies, including:

• Open borders intentionally letting in millions of unvetted illegal aliens, many with criminal backgrounds.

• A crushing national debt to be paid by our children and grandchildren.

• Over 100,000 drug deaths a year from Chinese-produced fentanyl smuggled through Mexico.

• Men invading women’s sports, bathrooms, and locker rooms.

• DEI being forced on our military, colleges, and corporations.

• CRT indoctrinating schoolchildren that America is a racist nation, that white people are inherently and irredeemably racist, and that all others are literally incapable of racism, regardless of what they believe or do.

• Grade school kids exposed to drag queens, pornography, and obscene books.

• A war on God, religion, and religious liberty.

• A war on law enforcement, leaving us with fewer cops on the streets.

• Inner cities that resemble war zones leading to the death of tens of thousands of Americans, mostly under 30, instead of safe communities for families.

• Federal agencies like the FBI, IRS, CIA, DOJ, and Military weaponized against conservatives.

• Soft-on-crime prosecutors letting criminals walk free.

• Etc., etc.

If we BRAND Democrat politicians and the Democrat Party as the cause of most of America’s problems, we’ll be in good shape in future elections, whether for the White House, Congress, state house, state legislature, school boards, or city hall.

 

For decades, Democrats successfully BRANDED Republicans as the party of the rich, Wall Street, and “trickle-down” economics. They smeared Republicans as heartless, ready to take away Social Security, Medicare, even going so far as to unplug Grandpa’s oxygen machine and put Grandma out in the cold.

All lies, but effective lies. Democrats won many elections with these lies.

Imagine the impact on next year’s midterm elections if by telling the truth, through consistent BRANDING of the Democrats, we help millions of people become modern-day Paul Revere Riders, spreading the truth to 25-50 of their family, friends, and neighbors that most of our national problems are caused by Democrats.

Add to that the reach of tens of thousands of other conservative leaders doing the same, and then tens of millions of low-information voters will head to the polls with one thought stuck in their minds:

DEMOCRATS ARE ANTI-GOD, ANTI-AMERICA, VIOLENT, BIG GOVERNMENT, ELITE SOCIALISTS/MARXISTS.

Because they are.

No matter the platform you use, your message should be the same: DEMOCRATS ARE THE PROBLEM.

If that happens, conservatives will win a landslide in 2026 — increasing their majorities in the U.S. House and U.S. Senate, adding governors, state officials, state legislators, and city and county leaders across America.

Democrats are not just our political opponents. They have launched a SPIRITUAL CIVIL WAR against traditional, Judeo-Christian values, just as they once launched a literal Civil War to keep their slaves and destroy America. They want to replace our Constitutional Republic with a one-party socialist/Marxist state, and ultimately a one-world government run by elites.

This is what they call “Our Democracy”?

Charlie showed how powerful BRANDING can be when one leader gives millions of young people the tools to speak the truth boldly. His example should inspire us to keep pressing forward, louder and stronger.

Of course, not every Democrat politician has called for violence. But every politician who has smeared conservatives as fascists or Nazis carries the Democrat label.

(By the way, Nazi is an abbreviation for National Socialist German Workers Party, and the Nazis were also known as fascists. Nazis and fascists are people of the Left, not the Right.)

The party’s leadership is increasingly aligned with and composed of radicals, and it is their destructive policies, rhetoric, and agenda dragging America toward ruin. That is why we must brand the Democrat Party, not just individuals or ideologies, as the source of our nation’s problems.

Every political word you speak, every political message you send, BRAND the Democrat Party. From the podcast to the pulpit, blog to the backyard, BRAND the Democrats, because the identification on the ballot is always DEMOCRAT.

 

Experiencing a bit of flack, Mate; I'd venture that we're pretty much over the target !!

 

Be diligent in covering the flanks, I fear we're up against scurrilous back-stabin bitches !!

 

Keep the Faith & 'Forge on Ahead' !!

[Cardinal Grammeter]

RE:  The Destruction of America

 

The Big Problem was that when this country was founded, Christianity was everywhere.

People had Christian values.

And so Free Speech among religious Christians made sense - especially when a lot came here to escape religion persecution.

 

Religion, eh?

 

But now The Young are running wild since they are not religious - their undeveloped brains are gullible, delusional, ignorant, naive, etc., and exhibit Dunning Kruger, etc. which are seduced by the internet which corrupts the real world they experience directly.

Societal structure is being destroyed by chaos, groups of people that incompatible creeds, honors, ethics, etc. - no longer Christianity in common. 

 

Dare to imagine what the world will be like when

in <100 years, Christianity will be dead and 

in <200 years, Islam will be dead.

 

EDIT:  I recently put 1 + 1 together:

 

If you look at religions on the planet, the older ones convert into the newer ones.

Christianity spread all over.

But the newest religion is Islam which start around 500 AD.

Islam has spread all over - changing some Christian states into Islam.

 

And then Muhammad said he is the last prophet which I thought was rather arrogant.

 

So what

 

But wait:  Islam is going to be the last religion - can you imagine a new religion sweeping over the earth after the internet has transformed reality?

 

...what was it that Mu said????   He was going to be the last prophet???

 

Holly Shit, I'll bet he is right.

Did this guy foresee the end of religion and saw how to be the Last Man Standing?

 

Edited October 4 by Cardinal Grammeter

[datzenmike]

Like anything that has aged, you learn to change to avoid all the fighting and drama. Christianity is a wuss compared to just a couple of centuries ago. Some biblical stuff is crazy so it's not a good fit and simply ignored today. Islam has yet to learn this. Basically it needs to 'grow up'. Eventually religion will simply fade away and the sooner the better. 

[paradime]

1 hour ago, Cardinal Grammeter said:

RE:  The Destruction of America

 

The Big Problem was that when this country was founded, Christianity was everywhere.

People had Christian values.

And so Free Speech among religious Christians made sense - especially when a lot came here to escape religion persecution.

 

Religion, eh?

 

But now The Young are running wild since they are not religious - their undeveloped brains are gullible, delusional, ignorant, naive, etc., and exhibit Dunning Kruger, etc. which are seduced by the internet which corrupts the real world they experience directly.

Societal structure is being destroyed by chaos, groups of people that incompatible creeds, honors, ethics, etc. - no longer Christianity in common. 

 

Dare to imagine what the world will be like when

in <100 years, Christianity will be dead and 

in <200 years, Islam will be dead.

 

EDIT:  I recently put 1 + 1 together:

 

If you look at religions on the planet, the older ones convert into the newer ones.

Christianity spread all over.

But the newest religion is Islam which start around 500 AD.

Islam has spread all over - changing some Christian states into Islam.

 

And then Muhammad said he is the last prophet which I thought was rather arrogant.

 

So what

 

But wait:  Islam is going to be the last religion - can you imagine a new religion sweeping over the earth after the internet has transformed reality?

 

...what was it that Mu said????   He was going to be the last prophet???

 

Holly Shit, I'll bet he is right.

Did this guy foresee the end of religion and saw how to be the Last Man Standing?

 

Interesting questions you pose. Human consciousness has always wrestled with the great unknown existential questions:

 

Who an I and what is my purpose  

What is the meaning of all this suffering, and the big one

What happens when I die 

 

Throughout history and every organized civilization, we've created spiritual and secular mythologies to deal with these questions. It's astonishing to find that in these often complex stories, the hero follows a very similar path. It's what Joseph Campbell referred to as "archetypes", aka our collective unconscious. As I see it, there is no Lord Buddha, Allah, Shiva, Jahve outside our bodies. We are God 'because only we can create the idea of his existence in our holy brains

 

Much like political power on a social level, religion derives power from complete thought control on a global scale. Throughout history, combining the two powers of control over the masses has manifest in greed, absolute corruption, and unspeakable crimes against humanity. When has this unholy marriage ever followed their Lord's teachings?.

[paradime]

 

[datzenmike]

2 hours ago, paradime said:

Interesting questions you pose. Human consciousness has always wrestled with the great unknown existential questions:

 

Who an I and what is my purpose  

What is the meaning of all this suffering, and the big one

What happens when I die ...

 

 

 

 

1/  You are who you are and your purpose is to do whatever it is that leads to personal happiness.

 

2/  You could just as well ask what is the meaning of all this happiness. Suffering/happiness, punishment/reward.... it just is what it is and nothing more.

 

3/  You leave this existence of shared reality and enter the void. If a smoky dim red light approaches avoid it. This is a bad or wrong womb to be reborn into, such as an animal or insect or lesser being. Go only towards a pure white light to be reborn on a higher rung of the ladder of existence.  

 

 

[Cardinal Grammeter]

46 minutes ago, paradime said:

 

Man, I NEEDED that!  I totally forgot about her!   If she composed and arranged this, she is at the highest level of music creativity/genius.   (have to post on my Facebook page - Primus and Prokofiev make a little space.)

[frankendat]

2 hours ago, paradime said:

 

Always thought she was hot

[paradime]

1 hour ago, Cardinal Grammeter said:

Man, I NEEDED that!  I totally forgot about her!   If she composed and arranged this, she is at the highest level of music creativity/genius.   (have to post on my Facebook page - Primus and Prokofiev make a little space.)

Lyrics were cowritten by Bjork and Nellee Hooper. Music was composed by Bjork, and it was produced by Hooper.

 

We Dat folk share some great music on the What Are You Listening To thread. 

[paradime]

19 minutes ago, frankendat said:

Always thought she was hot

Agreed. Not a cookie cutter kind if hot, but an authentic expression of her true self. That's sexy beyond the superficial.

[paradime]

2 hours ago, datzenmike said:

 

1/  You are who you are and your purpose is to do whatever it is that leads to personal happiness.

 

2/  You could just as well ask what is the meaning of all this happiness. Suffering/happiness, punishment/reward.... it just is what it is and nothing more.

 

3/  You leave this existence of shared reality and enter the void. If a smoky dim red light approaches avoid it. This is a bad or wrong womb to be reborn into, such as an animal or insect or lesser being. Go only towards a pure white light to be reborn on a higher rung of the ladder of existence.  

 

 

Existential mythology according to King Mike. Problem solved for one. 

[paradime]

Truth is most brutal when delivered with comedy.

 

 

 

[datzenmike]

51 minutes ago, paradime said:

Existential mythology according to King Mike. Problem solved for one. 

 

Yup, I'm good to go. 

 

 

 

 

.. but not just yet.

 

 

 

[paradime]

11 hours ago, datzenmike said:

 

Yup, I'm good to go. 

 

 

 

 

.. but not just yet.

 

 

 

"The Sage travels all day yet never leaves his inner peace" Lao Tzu, 5th century BCE.  

[frankendat]

20 hours ago, paradime said:

Truth is most brutal when delivered with comedy.

 

 

 

Fisher King is one of my favorites

[frankendat]

23 hours ago, datzenmike said:

 

1/  You are who you are and your purpose is to do whatever it is that leads to personal happiness.

 

2/  You could just as well ask what is the meaning of all this happiness. Suffering/happiness, punishment/reward.... it just is what it is and nothing more.

 

3/  You leave this existence of shared reality and enter the void. If a smoky dim red light approaches avoid it. This is a bad or wrong womb to be reborn into, such as an animal or insect or lesser being. Go only towards a pure white light to be reborn on a higher rung of the ladder of existence.  

 

 

If only it were so easy. If hedonism is the ultimate goal, then why concern yourself with anything that is troublesome? Unless happiness must be contrast to suffering to hold value, but then why do some suffer little and others suffer much? "It just is what it is and nothing more". Yet, you hope, or envision, or project to more "a pure white light"...."reborn on a higher rung". Surely, "higher" is "better" and by your own account "better" would entail more "personal happiness" and in contrast less personal suffering. The metaphysics falls flat when analyzed. If this belief system is embraced, then daily heroin should become priority, sell your belongings and slowly increase the dose, enjoying a month or two of unparalleled magnificent bliss until overdose takes you. A more dignified "Leaving Las Vegas". 

These questions have been contemplated for 1000's of years, by millions of people. One theory that I do not wholly subscribe is that the joy found helping others is a sustainable happiness unlike the intensity of heroin or sex or thrill seeking. I don't buy it, because I am not fond of people in general. However, given the number, education, and intelligence of those who support the theory, it would be remiss not to mention. One inescapable truism of incorporating "others" into your dogma, is "others" exist beyond your existence. While, "white light", higher anything, heaven, etc. by their nature are unable to be confirmed, the impact your life had on other life, is evident after your demise. Which could be an argument for mass causality events, but I doubt the sincerity of anyone who would claim that the responsibility for the deaths of random strangers increased their happiness.

 

Remember, to exist in a world of suffering, one MUST imagine Sisyphus happy or take Hemingway's advice and "don't think about it."  

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13 minutes ago, frankendat said:

Fisher King is one of my favorites

Terry Gillian is my favorite American writer/director. The Holy Grail, Time Bandits, Life of Brian , Brazil, Adventures of Baron Von Munchausen, and The Fisher King were all genius psycho-social commentary hidden under the guise of comedy. The running joke was the pathetic attempts of superficial film critics trying to explain their meaning. 

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On 10/4/2025 at 5:29 PM, Cardinal Grammeter said:

Man, I NEEDED that!  I totally forgot about her!   If she composed and arranged this, she is at the highest level of music creativity/genius.   (have to post on my Facebook page - Primus and Prokofiev make a little space.)

Did you ever watch "Hello Skinny" I posted the video link to the original by The Residents,(years back) but it was remade by Primus

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2 minutes ago, paradime said:

Terry Gillian is my favorite American writer/director. The Holy Grail, Time Bandits, Life of Brian , Brazil, Adventures of Baron Von Munchausen, and The Fisher King were all genius psycho-social commentary hidden under the guise of comedy. The running joke was the pathetic attempts of superficial film critics trying to explain their meaning. 

Agreed. With the internet, there have been non-mainstream film critics that provide insights on Gillian's works, but all "published" standard critics did nothing but display they were out of their depth. 

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5 minutes ago, frankendat said:

Did you ever watch "Hello Skinny" I posted the video link to the original by The Residents,(years back) but it was remade by Primus

Stands to reason. Less Claypool was the creative force behind The Residence and Primus.