destruction of america

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[EDM620]

Perhaps someone can enlighten me as to how Charlie Kirk was so important that his body was flown on Air Force 2? Was he an advisor somehow to the Trump administration? I'm not playing into the Republican/Democratic debate, just curious to the sheer importance or perception.

 

"Charlie Kirk's body was flown Thursday on Air Force Two — the vice president's plane — from Utah to Arizona, where he lived with his family"

[ratpatrol66]

Executive privilege plain and simple. 

[a.d._510_n_ok]

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-commentary/opinion-cancel-culture-is-good-for-democracy-1234681224/

[paradime]

2 hours ago, EDM620 said:

Perhaps someone can enlighten me as to how Charlie Kirk was so important that his body was flown on Air Force 2? Was he an advisor somehow to the Trump administration? I'm not playing into the Republican/Democratic debate, just curious to the sheer importance or perception.

 

"Charlie Kirk's body was flown Thursday on Air Force Two — the vice president's plane — from Utah to Arizona, where he lived with his family"

It lays bare that Trump rewards loyalty over importance or perception. In terms of patriotism, it is obedience to him over the country. Charlie Kirk was obedient.

 

 

[datzenmike]

20 hours ago, datzenmike said:

Yes he did, and a student dies after shooting two classmates the same day as Charlie Kirk. Both from senseless gun violence but one gets more coverage, why's that? Trump makes political hay over Kirk's shooting doesn't mention school shooting.

 

Never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was killed. 

 

Yes. Trump has no shame whatever. Nor does he have anyone to rein him in because he only surrounds himself with ass-kissers and lackeys.  Glad he wasn't around for 9/11. You can all be glad he wasn't. 

[paradime]

2 hours ago, datzenmike said:

 

Yes. Trump has no shame whatever. Nor does he have anyone to rein him in because he only surrounds himself with ass-kissers and lackeys.  Glad he wasn't around for 9/11. You can all be glad he wasn't. 

Trump suffers from TDS. Tunnelvision of Division Syndrome.  

[paradime]

Anyone heard of Nick Fuentes who started the crazy far right underground group America First, and his "Groyper War"? He's a self styled Joker wannabe anarchist. This is a compelling theory on Tyler Robinson's motive. It's the only thing I've heard that makes sense out of senselessness. 

 

 

[frankendat]

4 hours ago, a.d._510_n_ok said:

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-commentary/opinion-cancel-culture-is-good-for-democracy-1234681224/

The article misses one important point, cancel culture is often incorrect in its analysis of the facts. Cancel culture is propelled by the very stereotypes the article claims it mitigates. Cancel culture is in good company with the 24hr news cycle and the media twisting lies into a new reality, as all fear the slow boring unsatisfying progress of justice. But, as the article so clearly specifies "canceling" straight white men is a cultural victory, canceling anyone else is evidence of systemic bigotry. 

[frankendat]

15 minutes ago, paradime said:

Anyone heard of Nick Fuentes who started the crazy far right underground group America First, and his "Groyper War"? He's a self styled Joker wannabe anarchist. This is a compelling theory on Tyler Robinson's motive. It's the only thing I've heard that makes sense out of senselessness. 

 

 

I couldn't get through it. Tapped after less than 5 min. It overwhelms me with apathy. I don't care-no really-honest don't give a shit. I would like to see an expedited trial and appeal process and unless there is meaningful evidence that it wasn't the guy arrested (which is very unlikely) I would like to see him killed before Christmas, at the latest. I see no reason why this should remain in the public lexicon and exploited by either side. I am not against any memorial, tribute or other actions in support of Kirk or his family. The shooter, his family, his "motivations", his life, should be forgotten. The father of the shooter showed courage and I am sure he wishes to forget. We should let him.  

[frankendat]

6 hours ago, EDM620 said:

Perhaps someone can enlighten me as to how Charlie Kirk was so important that his body was flown on Air Force 2? Was he an advisor somehow to the Trump administration? I'm not playing into the Republican/Democratic debate, just curious to the sheer importance or perception.

 

"Charlie Kirk's body was flown Thursday on Air Force Two — the vice president's plane — from Utah to Arizona, where he lived with his family"

Let him have it, he is dead. It wasn't Air Force 1. It was a nice thing to do for the Kirk family. 

[frankendat]

19 hours ago, paradime said:

And an eye for an eye made the world go blind

That is one of the many reasons and eye for an eye fails, but I have explained this on many a post. 

[frankendat]

19 hours ago, datzenmike said:

To me it was senseless, and a waste. About the only person that doesn't think this was a senseless act is you and a mentally deranged shooter. 

 

 

"God is beyond measure in wanton malice, and matchless in his irony." ....... Hannibal Lecter in the book Hannibal by Thomas Harris.

 

Do you consider the Muslim suicide bombers to be senseless acts of violence and a waste? Were the atomic bombs dropped on Japan senseless acts of violence? If so, then I take your point.   

I maintain my American conviction to freedom of the individual. I want to live in a world, where you are free to spend your life in pursuit of what makes sense to you. I also want to live in a world, where you friends, neighbors, law enforcement are armed and ready to collect if your pursuit takes the life of another. An armed society is a polite society and a free society. God made man, Colt made them equal. 

[paradime]

39 minutes ago, frankendat said:

I couldn't get through it. Tapped after less than 5 min. It overwhelms me with apathy. I don't care-no really-honest don't give a shit. I would like to see an expedited trial and appeal process and unless there is meaningful evidence that it wasn't the guy arrested (which is very unlikely) I would like to see him killed before Christmas, at the latest. I see no reason why this should remain in the public lexicon and exploited by either side. I am not against any memorial, tribute or other actions in support of Kirk or his family. The shooter, his family, his "motivations", his life, should be forgotten. The father of the shooter showed courage and I am sure he wishes to forget. We should let him.  

 

So fpr you it's nothing to see here folks. Forget what happened and keep your head in the ground to feel safe? When it comes to the assassination of a popular political figure, I don't share your lack of curiosity.

 

 

 

Edited September 16 by paradime

[paradime]

46 minutes ago, frankendat said:

That is one of the many reasons and eye for an eye fails, but I have explained this on many a post. 

And an eye for an eye "Made" the world go blind. Said in the past tense to comment on the danger of ignorance and division. 

[frankendat]

1 hour ago, paradime said:

And an eye for an eye "Made" the world go blind. Said in the past tense to comment on the danger of ignorance and division. 

interesting clarification

[datzenmike]

2 hours ago, frankendat said:

Do you consider the Muslim suicide bombers to be senseless acts of violence and a waste? Were the atomic bombs dropped on Japan senseless acts of violence? If so, then I take your point.   

I maintain my American conviction to freedom of the individual. I want to live in a world, where you are free to spend your life in pursuit of what makes sense to you. I also want to live in a world, where you friends, neighbors, law enforcement are armed and ready to collect if your pursuit takes the life of another. An armed society is a polite society and a free society. God made man, Colt made them equal. 

 

So you agree and support that Tyler Robinson killing Kirk was just him pursuing what was right for him? Interesting. Canada has a polite society, more polite than the US, and it isn't armed. Your constitution made all men equal long before Colt.

[frankendat]

2 hours ago, paradime said:

 

So fpr you it's nothing to see here folks. Forget what happened and keep your head in the ground to feel safe? When it comes to the assassination of a popular political figure, I don't share your lack of curiosity.

 

 

 

My curiosity concerning the evil of man was sated long ago. True, there are tidbits of unique information, but any fleeting entertainment is not worth the pain to those involved. Curiosity is only morbid. I feel neither safer nor less safe after the shooting and over analysis and celebrity of the killer is no benefit, quite the contrary.

 

I did find humor in that the shooter has a trans romantic partner (girlfriend?) This is the world "liberals" (for lack of a more precise term) have created. Generating fear and almost a mythology around firearms, as an avenue to respect, wealth, and fame. Simultaneously, re engineering the traditional pathways to respect, wealth and fame.

 

Add to this dwindling resources, increased demand for service workers and less demand for "professional" positions, fueling the divide between the rich and the poor; the increased demand for service workers means more competition for the once blue collar supervisory jobs, now flooded with over qualified, mostly white applicants.

 

All of this, and more, lead to frustrated, hopeless, demonized, predominately white children, who have not ascended as expected and lack the back channel, gang affiliations to ascend in the counter culture. They turn to the method promoted by the liberal media to "ascend" to become known, they kill. And the curiosity and celebrity these malcontents receive only fuels and inspires others. Meanwhile, those with their heads fully implanted, cry and wail about the tools chosen.   

[frankendat]

25 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

 

So you agree and support that Tyler Robinson killing Kirk was just him pursuing what was right for him? Interesting. Canada has a polite society, more polite than the US, and it isn't armed. Your constitution made all men equal long before Colt.

The Constitution signed in 1787 didn't include the Bill of RIghts (added 1791) and didn't include African Americans or women, the Reconstruction Amendments (1865 – 1870) abolished slavery and granted citizenship, women were still chattle, the Colt Peacemaker came out in 1873 and did more for the equality of the United States than any regulation. There are many who point to private company regulations and "traditions" to demonstrate that long after 1870, men were not equal in the eyes of the law, but man, woman, black, white were equal under Colt. 

 

The shooter being a free non-felon, no criminal record individual was free to spend his life as he saw fit. If he maintained a widely known webpage that expressed his desires to kill, wrote the desire in letters, or gave speeches, on the issue, then I would support his investigation and potential forced relinquishment of his weaponry.  

 

I see this no different than religion. The Muslims believe it necessary to put the infidel to the sword. Americans are infidels. Christians believe if thy eye offends thee pluck it out. I could provide many examples and the Christians and Muslims explain it all away, until one of them doesn't.

 

In America you are innocent until proven guilty and you have rights, until you lose them. The price of freedom is our laws are reactionary and I wouldn't have it any other way. 

[paradime]

51 minutes ago, frankendat said:

My curiosity concerning the evil of man was sated long ago. True, there are tidbits of unique information, but any fleeting entertainment is not worth the pain to those involved. Curiosity is only morbid. I feel neither safer nor less safe after the shooting and over analysis and celebrity of the killer is no benefit, quite the contrary.

 

I did find humor in that the shooter has a trans romantic partner (girlfriend?) This is the world "liberals" (for lack of a more precise term) have created. Generating fear and almost a mythology around firearms, as an avenue to respect, wealth, and fame. Simultaneously, re engineering the traditional pathways to respect, wealth and fame.

 

Add to this dwindling resources, increased demand for service workers and less demand for "professional" positions, fueling the divide between the rich and the poor; the increased demand for service workers means more competition for the once blue collar supervisory jobs, now flooded with over qualified, mostly white applicants.

 

All of this, and more, lead to frustrated, hopeless, demonized, predominately white children, who have not ascended as expected and lack the back channel, gang affiliations to ascend in the counter culture. They turn to the method promoted by the liberal media to "ascend" to become known, they kill. And the curiosity and celebrity these malcontents receive only fuels and inspires others. Meanwhile, those with their heads fully implanted, cry and wail about the tools chosen.   

You need to rethink this. Without curiosity we'd still be living in caves with no guns to protect us from angry gay liberals.

 

You've twisted my curiosity into a pretzel reducing it to entertainment, harm to those involved, and morbid to look for information, because it makes a celebrity of the killer.  You show no such concern for your own humorous entertainment about the shooter's trans romantic partner, and quick to blame this on "liberals". Don't look now but your hypocrisy has been caught with its pants down (for lack of a more precise term).

 

Not sure what point you're trying to make talking about gun rights, and socioeconomic victimization of predominately white overqualified blue collar workers. I'm not an economist, but that sounds like some Groyper war shit talk'n to me. 

[datzenmike]

 

9 hours ago, frankendat said:

 long after 1870, men were not equal in the eyes of the law, but man, woman, black, white were equal under Colt. 

 

 

 

Lot of good being armed would have done Charlie Kirk. 

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[frankendat]

15 hours ago, paradime said:

You need to rethink this. Without curiosity we'd still be living in caves with no guns to protect us from angry gay liberals.

 

You've twisted my curiosity into a pretzel reducing it to entertainment, harm to those involved, and morbid to look for information, because it makes a celebrity of the killer.  You show no such concern for your own humorous entertainment about the shooter's trans romantic partner, and quick to blame this on "liberals". Don't look now but your hypocrisy has been caught with its pants down (for lack of a more precise term).

 

Not sure what point you're trying to make talking about gun rights, and socioeconomic victimization of predominately white overqualified blue collar workers. I'm not an economist, but that sounds like some Groyper war shit talk'n to me. 

Some legitimate observations and earned critique, some not so much.

I didn't twist your curiosity in a pretzel, the mainstream media is the twister (both sides) Finding humor in the shooter's trans partner is hypocrisy, I do not claim immunity from the disease.  I was curious, as to the weapon chosen, shot placement, I would be interested in ammunition chosen, if he hand loaded. 

 

But, I do not care why. The endless speculation and frustration regarding the why, ends in cowards calling for confiscation of firearms, because it is unanswerable, as well as, a complete waste of time. The why promotes celebrity. It is speculation and countless, meaningless, hypotheticals, designed to compel fear or patriotism or hate and increase allegiance to something. Both side do this, all corporations use this.  

 

So, I engaged in some fact based speculation of my own. The focus was not the socioeconomic victimization of predominately overqualified whites, you made assumptions. I see the socioeconomic victimization of predominately overqualified whites, as an inevitability, but shit rolls downhill. The rich and upper class, that are not rich enough or upper class enough will fall, and in their twisted view of reality, they may believe they have it hard, but everyone is moving down a few rungs (except the top). The overqualified will take the previously high level blue collar jobs. It will continue to become more difficult to rise from the low level positions. You need an angle. You could be a genius. You could have 15 years of solid employment with the company in progressive positions. You could be part of a legally protected group. You could have an ivy league education. 

If average and not part of a legally protected group, then your best chance is years of solid employment with the company, but many, most, corporations are steering away from "company men". A young, not racist white kid, who might even support affirmative action, I speculate, looking for respect and power that according to the media, entertainment and culture, is found through wealth/fame and/or guns/killing, sees years of hard work with little possibility of fame, but some wealth and instant celebrity and fame, with no wealth but no work and takes his shot.

 

Or everyone, myself included, is subject to their own delusions and the shooter might even feel justified. The guy on TV was talking shit and upset his "girlfriend", so he set out to kill him. 

 

I have presented to speculations regarding the mind of the shooter, now you can attack my speculations and/or produce your own and they will be as true as mine. It is all bullshit and only serves to increase the shooters celebrity and convince the next shooter it is best to go out in a blaze of glory.

 

The shooter is rewarded, every time he is asked to tell "his" story, every time his name appears in a head line, when reporters fight to get the "exclusive", when a dramatized CBS tele movie is created about his life, when his family and friends are interviewed about him.

 

I don't know what Gryoper is and I don't care. If I were to assess blame, then I blame the ultra rich and then I blame the Communists masquerading as Socialists in America. Both are turning the screws on Americans and Thank God for the Second, because when she blows, it is better to be armed.

[frankendat]

9 hours ago, datzenmike said:

 

 

Lot of good being armed would have done Charlie Kirk. 

You cannot account for the first time committed killer. It is an attack, which there is no defense. Choosing to live in a free society involves risk, as life involves risk. 

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