destruction of america

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[datzenmike]

Sam Hyde..... exaggerate much? Now you're rolling in the shit like a Democrat.

[paradime]

Tyler Robinson, the Kirk assassin is burnt toast. That was quick. The engraving on one of the shells found said "If you're reading this, you're gay. WTF?

 

 

Edited September 12 by paradime

[a.d._510_n_ok]

 

[datzenmike]

1 hour ago, paradime said:

Tyler Robinson, the Kirk assassin is burnt toast. That was quick. The engraving on one of the shells found said "If you're reading this, you're gay. WTF?

 

 

 

 

 

On 9/11/2025 at 6:05 AM, datzenmike said:

Law enforcement will be going through tweets and social media looking for the killer. Crazy people always rant and rave and bitch on line. 

 

"If you read this you're gay" Even to the lay person this individual is disturbed. Bet the gun was bought legally.

[a.d._510_n_ok]

8 hours ago, datzenmike said:

Sam Hyde..... exaggerate much? Now you're rolling in the shit like a Democrat.

You're saying democrats wish Trump supporters nothing but peace and prosperity?

[datzenmike]

I assume that Sam Hyde is not a Democrat? Yet he's using ridiculous hyperbole just like a Democrat. I'm asking that he not roll in the shit like a Democrat. Don't lower yourself to their level.   

[paradime]

9 hours ago, datzenmike said:

 

 

 

 

"If you read this you're gay" Even to the lay person this individual is disturbed. Bet the gun was bought legally.

It's one senseless shooting after another these days, and our political devisions have made sanity a thing of the past. Welcome to the new normal.

[ratpatrol66]

 

[datzenmike]

What does John Lennon have to do with political assassinations list? None.

[datzenmike]

The names change but little else. 

 

 

[paradime]

3 hours ago, datzenmike said:

What does John Lennon have to do with political assassinations list? None.

That's your only thought about what Bernie said? In reality, Lennon was a much bigger political activist than Kirk. You don't like his liberal messaging, but just like Muhammad Ali, John Lennon used his massive fame for political means. He was a central figure in the 60s peace movement who spoke out against the war, social violence, predatory capitalism, organized religion, advocated for individual freedom, social justice, and human rights. That's why conservatives hate him and why Mark Chapman assassinated him. To be honest, I'd never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was assassinated, and I'll bet you didn't either. 

[datzenmike]

What's there to argue about in Bernie's message????? other than Lennon being mentioned as a political assassination? Everyone has some sort of political view so if you are shot and killed does that automatically make it a political killing? Chapman never alluded to Lennon's politics's as his motive. 

 

Motive, according to Mark David Chapman about Lennon:

 

"He told us to imagine no possessions and there he was, with millions of dollars and yachts and farms and country estates, laughing at people like me who had believed the lies and bought the records and built a big part of their lives around his music." 

 

"I would listen to this music and I would get angry at him, for saying [in the song "God"] that he didn't believe in God, that he just believed in him and Yoko, and that he didn't believe in the Beatles. This was another thing that angered me, even though this record had been done at least ten years previously. I just wanted to scream out loud, "Who does he think he is, saying these things about God and heaven and the Beatles?" Saying that he doesn't believe in Jesus and things like that. At that point, my mind was going through a total blackness of anger and rage. So I brought the Lennon book home, into this The Catcher in the Rye milieu where my mindset is Holden Caulfield and anti-phoniness"

 

Indeed there was a shopping list of potential victims other than Lennon. In 2010, Chapman said that the only criterion for the list was being "famous," and that he chose Lennon out of convenience. He had also cited feelings of envy.  

 

 

[paradime]

1 hour ago, datzenmike said:

What's there to argue about in Bernie's message????? other than Lennon being mentioned as a political assassination? Everyone has some sort of political view so if you are shot and killed does that automatically make it a political killing? Chapman never alluded to Lennon's politics's as his motive. 

 

Motive, according to Mark David Chapman about Lennon:

 

"He told us to imagine no possessions and there he was, with millions of dollars and yachts and farms and country estates, laughing at people like me who had believed the lies and bought the records and built a big part of their lives around his music." 

 

"I would listen to this music and I would get angry at him, for saying [in the song "God"] that he didn't believe in God, that he just believed in him and Yoko, and that he didn't believe in the Beatles. This was another thing that angered me, even though this record had been done at least ten years previously. I just wanted to scream out loud, "Who does he think he is, saying these things about God and heaven and the Beatles?" Saying that he doesn't believe in Jesus and things like that. At that point, my mind was going through a total blackness of anger and rage. So I brought the Lennon book home, into this The Catcher in the Rye milieu where my mindset is Holden Caulfield and anti-phoniness"

 

Indeed there was a shopping list of potential victims other than Lennon. In 2010, Chapman said that the only criterion for the list was being "famous," and that he chose Lennon out of convenience. He had also cited feelings of envy.  

 

 

"Everyone has some sort of political view so if you are shot and killed does that automatically make it a political killing?" You know the difference Mike, so why would I answer a question based on a false equivalent? I wouldn't let Waldo pull that rhetorical trap on me either.

 

"Chapman never alluded to Lennon's politics's as his motive." Maybe not specifically "political", but Chapman referred to Lennon's views on predatory capitalism, speaking out against organized religion, and advocating for individual freedom to "Imagine" things differently. 

[datzenmike]

I didn't expect an answer. I remember the killing and politics was never brought up. Chapman's name was rarely mentioned in the days and months after to deny him reading or hearing his name mentioned in connection to the killing. Chapman was a loonie tune and just wanted to be famous. Anyone would have done and he stalked several others such as Tod Rundgren, David Bowie, James Taylor (Lennon was simply convenient) and yes some political figures were included in his 'hit list' but not for their politics but their fame. 

 

So Bernie is disremembering what happened.

[a.d._510_n_ok]

So democrats are saying Charlie Kirk's rhetoric obviously made him worthy of death but no one on their side is capable of such violence...?

[tr8er]

4 minutes ago, a.d._510_n_ok said:

So democrats are saying Charlie Kirk's rhetoric obviously made him worthy of death but no one on their side is capable of such violence...?

With the internet you can find idiots saying anything you want to find.  When this killing happened I thought, “for sure this was the one that would turn out to not be the typical culprit”.  But fucking A.  Another conservative raised stereotype.  And a shit trail across the living room floor of MAGA scooting about war on libs, and open season to kill democrats.  Now a silent retreat without any level of accountability nor disavowment of the conservative/MAGA knee-jerk response.  The new line is that education caused this.  It’s like a fucking Carlin punch line.  The guy was fine with everything when he was uneducated…

 

I’d be beyond ashamed if my fellow Trumpers response to this if I were in any way Republican.  I’d denounce them and hope they self-reflect.  And it would be a wasted breath.  

[tr8er]

3 hours ago, datzenmike said:

What's there to argue about in Bernie's message????? other than Lennon being mentioned as a political assassination? Everyone has some sort of political view so if you are shot and killed does that automatically make it a political killing? Chapman never alluded to Lennon's politics's as his motive. 

 

Motive, according to Mark David Chapman about Lennon:

 

"He told us to imagine no possessions and there he was, with millions of dollars and yachts and farms and country estates, laughing at people like me who had believed the lies and bought the records and built a big part of their lives around his music." 

 

"I would listen to this music and I would get angry at him, for saying [in the song "God"] that he didn't believe in God, that he just believed in him and Yoko, and that he didn't believe in the Beatles. This was another thing that angered me, even though this record had been done at least ten years previously. I just wanted to scream out loud, "Who does he think he is, saying these things about God and heaven and the Beatles?" Saying that he doesn't believe in Jesus and things like that. At that point, my mind was going through a total blackness of anger and rage. So I brought the Lennon book home, into this The Catcher in the Rye milieu where my mindset is Holden Caulfield and anti-phoniness"

 

Indeed there was a shopping list of potential victims other than Lennon. In 2010, Chapman said that the only criterion for the list was being "famous," and that he chose Lennon out of convenience. He had also cited feelings of envy.  

 

 

I just looked.  John Lennon didn’t own a yacht.  

[frankendat]

On 9/11/2025 at 5:39 PM, banzai510(hainz) said:

there millions of Mausers in America, Could be a surpluse Bubba modified sporter. A Argintine  one a Steyr made one a Turkish Czech Spainish or a Newly made Polermer stock M18 from the Blaser group as mauser is name only now. The Real Mauser got bought up by Rheinmetal. all new 96 Mauser are made by Blaser group.  Sauer is the same platform on soem of there stuff.

 

shit a push feed Remington 700 i say is more accurate but the Mauser 98 action is the controll round feed and Ruger and Kimber and Mod 70s all use still.

Be honest a 200 yard shot he hit him in the neck .Maybe he was aiming for chest. Alot of Mauser are worn out from corrosive power and lack of care and just shot out soemtimes. But 200yard is pretty ez. once dialed in. As the new said he had a screw driver to put the gun together. A classic Mause is not the gun to do this. 

 

Be honest I think they should ban all plastic pistols like Glocks and Sigs. They just Saturday night specials now. 350$ on the used market and less on the stolen market and all the criminals get them.All plasic pistols.  Hi Powers 1911s SW relvovers and made of steel are artwork. Now its just Lego guns.

Sell all metal less  guns and revolvers and the criminal will have to think about their crimes before just spraying with a glock switch.

Sell real guns with metal instead of a Uramex airgun frames with a 9mm top. Just my opinion.

 

Far as Im concern a Colt King Cobra is all you need and they $$$ so youll lock it up later then leave it on the car after your FB photo showing it,So it gets stolen later.

 

I hate gun store salesmen also. They all show woment autos when they really need to show them Revolvers. Fuck a SW 22 a quality piece. THey dont jam and hard not to say it went off accidently when its a double action!!!!

 

just my thoughts. 

Steel weapons are certainly to be preferred, I agree that revolvers are the best self defense, especially for those who do not make it to the range as often as they should. If you ever get over to Idaho, then I would love to take the Pepsi challenge, a Model 70 (based on the Mauser action) head to head against a Rem 700 and feel free to bring a modified 700, all the goodies. The parts on my Mod 70 are not high dollar, they are expertly fitted, balanced and machined, but not high dollar. Oh, and bring a 700 of a substantial caliber.

For defense, when in the mountains, I carry a single action--No jamming, no accidental discharge, can load heavier than an auto. 

The problem with the Charlie Kirk shooting is that it provides an example, that if a stranger wants to get you in America, and that individual has not previously acted out or violated the law, then the chance is at least 50-50 you going to get got. The odds that the individual that takes you out is caught and faces punishment are very high, but that often provides little solace.  That is the price of freedom, to relinquish freedom for the illusion of safety, leaves you with neither. 

[frankendat]

1 hour ago, tr8er said:

With the internet you can find idiots saying anything you want to find.  When this killing happened I thought, “for sure this was the one that would turn out to not be the typical culprit”.  But fucking A.  Another conservative raised stereotype.  And a shit trail across the living room floor of MAGA scooting about war on libs, and open season to kill democrats.  Now a silent retreat without any level of accountability nor disavowment of the conservative/MAGA knee-jerk response.  The new line is that education caused this.  It’s like a fucking Carlin punch line.  The guy was fine with everything when he was uneducated…

 

I’d be beyond ashamed if my fellow Trumpers response to this if I were in any way Republican.  I’d denounce them and hope they self-reflect.  And it would be a wasted breath.  

In truth, I haven't read much of the commentary surrounding the ideologies of the shooter. Last I heard, the shooter supported "Extreme Democrat" ideology, has evidence been uncovered that the shooter supported "Extreme Republican"? Not that it matters, personally I couldn't give a shit, but it shapes the political narrative. 

[datzenmike]

It's a quote by Chapman. It's what he said not what's necessarily true. 

 

I liked the Beatles when they came out in the early mid '60s. After the split Lennon/McCartney were finished. WTF is with Yoko? roll eyes. Didn't care for Wings much either. It is what it is. Would like to have had a Beatles CD collection but that pedo Jackson bought up all the rights and the prices were through the roof  

[paradime]

3 hours ago, datzenmike said:

I didn't expect an answer. I remember the killing and politics was never brought up. Chapman's name was rarely mentioned in the days and months after to deny him reading or hearing his name mentioned in connection to the killing. Chapman was a loonie tune and just wanted to be famous. Anyone would have done and he stalked several others such as Tod Rundgren, David Bowie, James Taylor (Lennon was simply convenient) and yes some political figures were included in his 'hit list' but not for their politics but their fame. 

 

So Bernie is disremembering what happened.

None of this changes the fact that Lennon was a famous political activist who was assassinated. So you're disremembering that's what Bernie's list was about.

[a.d._510_n_ok]

The Mauser is a new, late model rifle. They are based in Sweden now I think but still producing.          "...how long shall they kill our prophets.....?"

 

[a.d._510_n_ok]

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/review-mauser-m18/247588 this is it.

[datzenmike]

4 hours ago, paradime said:

None of this changes the fact that Lennon was a famous political activist who was assassinated. So you're disremembering that's what Bernie's list was about.

 

Yes he may have been a political activist but I'm saying the assassination wasn't politically motivated. Chapman has never said he killed Lennon because of his political work or views. He was disillusioned over Lennon's lavish lifestyle. Bernie is wrong and you need to research this. Like I said just because being killed and at the same time having political views does not make it a political assassination. Chapman had a hit list, Lennon was just handy.