Dual Weber L20B

[Suki68]

My son has a 78 620 and wants to get dual side draft Webers for his L20B. I was told he would have to relocate the brake booster. Where would we relocate the brake booster, or what do we do?

[Stoffregen Motorsports]

I think whomever told you that was thinking of deleting the booster. Personally, I'd rather have power brakes than dual carbs, since dual side drafts don't do much without other internal engine mods. A simple downdraft DGV is more than adequate. If you want more than adequate, get ready to spend a couple thousand bucks to bring things up to snuff.

 

Back to the booster - there are two different size boosters that came on 620's, one smaller than the other, but both of them are still an issue with dual carbs. It is possible to move the booster back the the firewall by deleting the pedestal it bolts to, but this requires moving the clutch pedal/master assembly over towards the A-pillar. Metal fabrication and welding are required.

 

The intake manifold you would want to use for the dual side draft setup (on a 620) is hard to find too (made by Mikuni). If you can find one, it is quite a lot shorter than others on the market.

[datzenmike]

 

 

Or motorcycle carbs on home made intake. Carburetors were $100, intake was $50 for materials. Lots of thought and trial and error went into this so maybe $400.

 

 

[banzai510(hainz)]

http://www.v-performance.com/products/air_fuel.html

 

maybe find a dual SU manifold and run these type of Mikuni carbs

eaither way your going to be over 1000$ all said and done.

 

to me the ezeist is a weber  downdaft 38/38 DGES under 400$

Edited May 28, 2020 by banzai510(hainz)

[Suki68]

My son likes the looks of the side drafts and he has the money from saving up. California Datsun said they would fit with smaller horns. I like the looks of a single carb side draft. Not really sure what to do. 

[banzai510(hainz)]

Calf Datsun over charges on a lot of stuff

Mikunis are better but are over 30yrs old whats out there, They have better drivability circuts

Webers DCOE are still made and 40mm would be best for the street.

 

various places sells the whole kiy so maybe be cheaper from another dealer

[demo243]

If you are looking at Webers Pierce Manifolds if your go to source. 

As has been mentioned, if you can find a Mikuni shorty manifold that will help with clearance issues.

[Suki68]

Ok, thanks, for your help. 

[Stoffregen Motorsports]

A single sidedraft is supremely underwhelming, but then so are duals on a stock engine. You will see them when you open the hood. You'll hear them when you romp on the pedal, but you won't feel them at all unless you also go for a cam, a good cylinder head, a recurved distributor, good exhaust, etc.

 

I like Hainz' idea of using the dual Mikunis on a SU manifold.

 

The four bike carbs are cool too.

[banzai510(hainz)]

I never understood the single sidedraft setup anyways.and minimum a Lynx cross over type.

unless by chance you bought a Z car set and put duals on one 510 and another single on anther datsun

 

 

 

 

Edited May 30, 2020 by banzai510(hainz)

[Stoffregen Motorsports]

I've got a single Solex phh44 on my Sprite, but that's a big carb for the little engine. A single side draft on any L motor is worse than SU's because of the configuration of the intake manifold.

[Stoffregen Motorsports]

And yes Hainz, the single on my Sprite was a lone carb that didn't match anything, so I used it as a single.

[Suki68]

I only have access to Weber’s. I’ve never even heard of Mikunis and we are new to this. My son just liked the way the the Weber’s looked. I was told the Weber’s would fit if we applied shorter horns, but I don’t know for sure. Very confused, so maybe I’ll just tell my son to go with the regular carb. 

[Stoffregen Motorsports]

The PHH series Mikuni/Solex carbs are similar to Weber DCOE side drafts, but many people feel they are better, and I agree. But, they are hard to find as they stopped producing them about 25 years ago.

 

The Mikunis Hainz linked to are a motorcycle carb, and not in any way similar to a Weber DCOE or PHH Mikuni, but are very tempting to try, since they are inexpensive, modern, compact and easy to get.

 

The "regular carb" you mention, if you're referring to the stock carb, can be ditched in favor of a downdraft Weber DGV, DGEV, DGAS, etc. Those are all very reliable, easy to tune, easy to work on and easy to get. I don't know how old your son is, but if he's young, he probably likes flashy things. So I understand his desire for dual side drafts, but they take a huge learning curve to set up properly and tune/maintain.

[distributorguy]

I vote for dual 1 3/4" SUs - the British ones, or the Z Hitachis.  You get better throttle response than any Webers made, and power is good through 6k.  They're also very easy to set up and maintain with a far shorter learning curve than a dual DCOE setup.  

[datzenmike]

I have bike carbs but similar to the SUs in operation. They don't have an accelerator pump or power valve or a choke flap. They are very different from a usual carburetor. I had to learn how to drive them as they have no bog or stutter off the line or hesitation when floored at any speed. 1,200 RPMs in 4th and floor it and the car pulls away (slowly at first) but without pause and just keeps on increasing it's pull. Hard to do that with a carburetor without stepping into it little by little until it gets going. The slide or SU type (also known as a constant velocity) does this for you and only opens up as needed to keep the venturi vacuum constant. Carburetors are the opposite with low venturi vacuum at low RPMs. 

[Suki68]

The SU’s sound really cool! We are still worried about how any dual carbs are going to fit with the power brake booster. My sons king cab is a deluxe and comes with power disc brakes and he really likes that. We will probably go with the down draft for now. Thanks for all your help. 

[banzai510(hainz)]

 

I don’t care for the wheel set up but truck looks good

[Suki68]

Thanks, it was the cooler set of wheels we had. 

[Stoffregen Motorsports]

Hey, the '90s called and they want their wheels back.

 

Cool truck. Love the paint.

[datzenmike]

Looks like '77 fenders.

[Suki68]

1978

[datzenmike]

The '77 fenders had Deluxe emblems

[Suki68]

Must’ve went into 78 as well. 

[datzenmike]

Strictly a '76 1/2 through '77 emblem which coincides with the introduction of the King Cab. All KCs were called deluxe cabs, but there's wiggle room for everything. Maybe they were swapped along with the grill.