Mattndew76 Posted August 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 I was asking that very question the other day. There is no immediate test or swab test that can determine the variation of Corona / Covid Virus. Influenza, Common Cold, and Covid-19 (D/L/E) all pop positive indicators of infection. So without a genetic investigation to what viral infection a person has then all of these data graphs are speculation and based on nothing more than "this person is sick with Covid like symptoms." This is a big sham and I don't believe any information coming out from any source. I am extremely glad I am self employed and independent of this mess. To anyone who will be forced to vax or lose their employment. You have my sympathy, and my utmost respect if you stand tall refusing the vax, but also have my understanding if you capitulate. 6 Quote Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted August 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) On 7/31/2021 at 10:23 PM, Dguy210 said: Shhh... true but it's funnier if he isn't paying attention. Hey D. your mail box must be full. It says you cannot receive messages. Edited August 6, 2021 by Mattndew76 2 Quote Link to comment
jbirds510 Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) Really over talkin about it..ready to BE about it. These people dont act like they work for us anymore..Incredibly frustrated and feeling like something much bigger is just looming. Edited August 7, 2021 by jbirds510 2 Quote Link to comment
Dguy210 Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Mattndew76 said: I was asking that very question the other day. There is no immediate test or swab test that can determine the variation of Corona / Covid Virus. Influenza, Common Cold, and Covid-19 (D/L/E) all pop positive indicators of infection. So without a genetic investigation to what viral infection a person has then all of these data graphs are speculation and based on nothing more than "this person is sick with Covid like symptoms." This is a big sham and I don't believe any information coming out from any source. I am extremely glad I am self employed and independent of this mess. To anyone who will be forced to vax or lose their employment. You have my sympathy, and my utmost respect if you stand tall refusing the vax, but also have my understanding if you capitulate. What I've heard is the [hospital] takes a positive sample and run it through another test to determine variant. You don't test them all just some sample size. Not sure what kind of test they are using, I can tell you how I would design such a test and it probably is what they are using but I haven't heard any specifics. My assumption would be another PCR test using a different variant specific set of primers (basically akin to a viral SNP analysis) this is the most reasonable way to do it so LIKELY that is the way it is being done (this falls on the pretty easy to do side of things actually). Edit: as far as I know the CDC does not have a variant specific test approved. Edited August 6, 2021 by Dguy210 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Ranman72 Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 (edited) well i trust my friends more then my government especially my scientist friends from the very beginning of this shit we have been told two weeks to slow the spread or slow the curve as i recall and masks dont do any good now we need to get a shot so we can go back to normal and then walla we have the delta variant so now we should mask up again even if we got the shot this shit has been so all over the place and trying to change our freedoms of choice FUCK BIDEN FUCK FOUCCIE AND ESPECIALLY FUCK GOVE NEWSANCE stand strong for your beliefs for your own good and the good of your children Edited August 7, 2021 by Ranman72 6 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 My daughter and son in law are against vaccinations. She often has to travel internationally. I wonder how that will play out if you need a vax visa. Quote Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted August 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 So are we just making ourselves incubators for the worst version of a virus by taking a vaccine that doesn't necessarily protect us from the virus? Seems the mRNA vaccine currently just softens the impact of the symptoms, but has failed to protect us from the virus. I would like to read the paper Joe mentions concerning bad vaccines and the consequences. 1 Quote Link to comment
MikeRL411 Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 2 hours ago, datzenmike said: My daughter and son in law are against vaccinations. She often has to travel internationally. I wonder how that will play out if you need a vax visa. Advise her NOT to buy a counterfeit certificate ! 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 Fuck this fucking world and all the fucking assholes in it. 6 Quote Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 Incubator . 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Mattndew76 said: So are we just making ourselves incubators for the worst version of a virus by taking a vaccine that doesn't necessarily protect us from the virus? Seems the mRNA vaccine currently just softens the impact of the symptoms, but has failed to protect us from the virus. I would like to read the paper Joe mentions concerning bad vaccines and the consequences. I don't think any vaccine prevents you from getting a virus. My experience with 20 years of seasonal flu vaccines is that you can and do still get the flu, it's just not anywhere near as severe, possibly symptom-less or a day or two under the weather. I totally get that it doesn't totally protect you from getting co-vid, it's just that it lessens the effects. What the fuck do you want???? Think of the vaccine as a seat belt. It doesn't prevent an accident. 2 Quote Link to comment
jbirds510 Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 (edited) Ill keep my freedom, its not up for negotiations. Ive fought for freedom before and Like everything it gets easier with practice. Edited August 10, 2021 by jbirds510 2 1 Quote Link to comment
Logical1 Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 I hate it when I get a case of mild polio! 1 Quote Link to comment
jbirds510 Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 (edited) lol polio. Edited August 18, 2021 by jbirds510 1 Quote Link to comment
A guy named Rick Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 2 hours ago, datzenmike said: Fuck this fucking world and all the fucking assholes in it. Agreed. Different opinions on who the assholes are, but, we agree on something. 1 Quote Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 Don’t encourage him. . 3 Quote Link to comment
Ranman72 Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 13 hours ago, datzenmike said: My daughter and son in law are against vaccinations. She often has to travel internationally. I wonder how that will play out if you need a vax visa. hard to say we are in new un charted territory 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 7 hours ago, jbirds510 said: Or you can treat your body the way you treat your car..youd never put bad fuel in your car willingly why then your body, show the people around you that you respect their personal space and accept nothing less in turn and keep your booger hooker out of your eyes nose and mouth..no puncture required, just a little diligence common sense and personal awareness. the day they find a way to get a salad into a syringe ill start listening. Love thy neighbor respect thy body..problem solved. I follow these principles and I cant even remember the last time I was sick..I flew all over last year, went to vegas twice, Arizona 3 times, california a few times..nothing...One of my good friends weighs in around 450 pounds eats like a fucking raccoon cant keep his fingers out of his own face and is possibly alergic to soap just recovered from covid..the only thing to fear is fear itself..its toxic as we are seeing first hand now. After washing and waxing, changing all the fluids on time, rotating the tires, tune up the engine, keep in a garage when not using it, drive the posted speed limit and obeying all the safety rules... someone runs a red light and T bones you. Life... there's no guarantees. 2 Quote Link to comment
KELMO Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 12 hours ago, Ranman72 said: hard to say we are in new un charted territory And here there be monsters. I'd post a gif of Captain Barbosa here but, old guy what don't know how and what don't care to learn how. GOML Quote Link to comment
Dguy210 Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 I will choose liberty over safety every time. I also don't like playing the game of "simon says" that the CDC has going. Everything about how this situation is handled and the way the vaccine is being handled sets off every red flag and bullshit detector I have. I may not know "exactly" what the truth of the situation is, but I know what we are being told by the media and government is NOT the truth. Which MEANS I'm going to do pretty much the opposite of what they WANT as I AM BEING LIED TO. 4 3 Quote Link to comment
Dguy210 Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, datzenmike said: "Give me liberty, or give me death!" 1 Quote Link to comment
Dguy210 Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) Rules for thee and not for me. Notice the Rich and Elites don't seem to be too worried about Covid at all. I wonder why. Edited August 8, 2021 by Dguy210 Quote Link to comment
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