Robert Fernandez Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 I am having a hard time finding strut bushings or torsion bar bushings for my truck. Any suggestions? Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 torsion bar bushing?/strut? Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 Probably means tension rod bushings. 1 Quote Link to comment
Stoffregen Motorsports Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) Yeah, that one got by me too. Good call, Mike. All of you hardcore truck guys have mentioned that the urethane bushings are too stiff, so I guess direct replacement rubber bushings are the right choice. Edited March 28, 2019 by Stoffregen Motorsports Quote Link to comment
Robert Fernandez Posted March 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 I believe you are correct that they are tension bars. No mechanics here in Ventura will align front end without the bushings. Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 I haven't seen any of these on parts sites. MikeKlotz told me or somebody else use shock bushings Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 Urethane would be good on sway bars where compliance is not really helpful. Rubber is still the best for vibration and noise isolation and most people put urethane on their vehicles because monkey see monkey do and couldn't possibly drive their cars hard enough to know the difference. The tension rod has to flex at the bushings as the wheel moves up and down which will compress the rubber. Urethane is too stiff for this and the rod has to bend potentially leading to metal fatigue over time. The potential fix using urethane is to drill 5 or 6 holes in them which increases their compliance. Quote Link to comment
FrankRizzo Posted March 29, 2019 Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 I bought these on Ebay in December. Made in China and the quality of the rubber is suspect, but in much better shape then the ones on my truck. I have not installed them because im considering a Beebani/Klotz ball joint conversion. Search Ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/NISSAN-PICKUP-UTILITY-UTE-620-1500-1600-72-79-TENSION-ROD-BUSH-Fit-DATSUN/173804488918?fits=Make%3ADatsun&epid=5029474117&hash=item28778e08d6:g:YdwAAOSwWiJcbg8s I see a lot of busings listed for late 620's and 720's - im not sure if those will work because of the ball joint set up... https://www.finditparts.com/products/404546/moog-k9218 https://www.nissanpartsdeal.com/parts/nissan-bush-tension~54481-18000.html ... 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 29, 2019 Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 On 3/28/2019 at 7:43 AM, Robert Fernandez said: I believe you are correct that they are tension bars. No mechanics here in Ventura will align front end without the bushings. Changed the title so the search function will find 'tension rod' Ball joint conversion won't remove the tension rods so you'll still need them. The ball joint trucks have them. Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted March 29, 2019 Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 55 minutes ago, datzenmike said: Changed the title so the search function will find 'tension rod' Ball joint conversion won't remove the tension rods so you'll still need them. The ball joint trucks have them. I believe Beebani1028 kit on ebay does get rid of the tension rod..... Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 29, 2019 Report Share Posted March 29, 2019 Ah didn't know. It removes the original tension rod placement and adds it on the other side just like the later 720 and D21 4x4s making it a compression rod. (tension is much better than compression which can bend or buckle) The intent of the tension rod is to complete a triangle with the frame and the lower control arm to prevent it moving towards the rear when hitting bumps and objects but mostly it stabilizes the lower control arm when the brakes are applied. The design above does not look much like a triangle to me. Even the 720 4x4 has the support brace more to the rear forming a more equilateral triangle. 1 Quote Link to comment
Farmer Posted March 30, 2019 Report Share Posted March 30, 2019 14 hours ago, FrankRizzo said: I bought these on Ebay in December. Made in China and the quality of the rubber is suspect, but in much better shape then the ones on my truck. I have not installed them because im considering a Beebani/Klotz ball joint conversion. Search Ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/NISSAN-PICKUP-UTILITY-UTE-620-1500-1600-72-79-TENSION-ROD-BUSH-Fit-DATSUN/173804488918?fits=Make%3ADatsun&epid=5029474117&hash=item28778e08d6:g:YdwAAOSwWiJcbg8s I see a lot of busings listed for late 620's and 720's - im not sure if those will work because of the ball joint set up... https://www.finditparts.com/products/404546/moog-k9218 https://www.nissanpartsdeal.com/parts/nissan-bush-tension~54481-18000.html ... There are differences between tension rods bushings. 78 79 are different that 72.5 to 77 Quote Link to comment
Figbuck Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 I went to the Nissan dealer, they found the old micro-fish and printed exploded diagrams for the 620 72.5 - 78, front end for me. The tension rod bushing part numbers had been replaced a couple times but, the bushing is still available in the current parts computer as a 10 piece bag of bushings for a B210 or something. Part # 56112-W5000 BUSH-SHO 1000 The bag of ten was $58.20. Ordered a noon, parts guy called me at 10am the next day. Quote Link to comment
G-Duax Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 That part number is for the stabilizer bar (sway bar), not tension rods.... Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 Part # 56112-W5000 is the rubber bushing isolator used on the top mount of the HL510, 210, S110 and the B110 Sentra rear shock absorbers. Looks just like the ones used on sway bars. Might interchange. Otherwise the 620 sway bar and tension rod bushings (through '77) are the same. Used in the both places. The '73-'79 620 sway bar rubber bushings are 56112-09400 The '73-'77 620 tension rod rubber bushings are... 56127-25660 or superseded to 56112-09400 The '78-'79 tension rod bushings are 54581-18000 and are much larger. Quote Link to comment
Figbuck Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 "Part # 56112-W5000 is the rubber bushing isolator used on the top mount of the HL510, 210, S110 and the B110 Sentra rear shock absorbers. Looks just like the ones used on sway bars. Might interchange." Just had all the suspension and steering gone through. Replaced King Pins, all the control arm bushings, all the sway bar bushings and the Tension Rod Bushings... then aligned with the Hunter system. These stock bushings are the right application on early 620s. Look identical to the ones that came off... except they were smashed flat... hard to see how they were working as designed. They don't look anything like Frank Rizzo's OICS of Made in China bushing kit. They are a solid donut shape, with a little rib around the middle. I just came across a quote sheet from NAPA, for these bushings for a Sentra, that are quality brand... $24. Not $58 from the Nissan dealer. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted April 7, 2019 Report Share Posted April 7, 2019 Very generally if something is 50% 60% of the dealer price it's about right and good quality. Often referred to as OEM, though almost NEVER is. As long as OEM quality. The dealer price includes a mark up so they make something from it. Quote Link to comment
Farmer Posted April 8, 2019 Report Share Posted April 8, 2019 15 hours ago, Figbuck said: Just had all the suspension and steering gone through. Replaced King Pins, all the control arm bushings, all the sway bar bushings and the Tension Rod Bushings... then aligned with the Hunter system. These stock bushings are the right application on early 620s. Look identical to the ones that came off... except they were smashed flat... hard to see how they were working as designed. They don't look anything like Frank Rizzo's OICS of Made in China bushing kit. They are a solid donut shape, with a little rib around the middle. What are the product numbers for the tension rods? 1 Quote Link to comment
Figbuck Posted April 19, 2019 Report Share Posted April 19, 2019 On March 30, 2019 at 9:06 PM, Figbuck said: Product numbers? For the Tension Rods? I only replaced the bushings... I went to the Nissan dealer, they found the old micro-fish and printed exploded diagrams for the 620 72.5 - 78, front end for me. The tension rod bushing part numbers had been replaced a couple times but, the bushing is still available in the current parts computer as a 10 piece bag of bushings for a B210 or something. Part # 56112-W5000 BUSH-SHO 1000 The bag of ten was $58.20. Ordered a noon, parts guy called me at 10am the next day. On April 7, 2019 at 5:45 AM, Figbuck said: "Part # 56112-W5000 is the rubber bushing isolator used on the top mount of the HL510, 210, S110 and the B110 Sentra rear shock absorbers. Looks just like the ones used on sway bars. Might interchange." Just had all the suspension and steering gone through. Replaced King Pins, all the control arm bushings, all the sway bar bushings and the Tension Rod Bushings... then aligned with the Hunter system. These stock bushings are the right application on early 620s. Look identical to the ones that came off... except they were smashed flat... hard to see how they were working as designed. They don't look anything like Frank Rizzo's OICS of Made in China bushing kit. They are a solid donut shape, with a little rib around the middle. I just came across a quote sheet from NAPA, for these bushings for a Sentra, that are quality brand... $24. Not $58 from the Nissan dealer. Quote Link to comment
Farmer Posted April 20, 2019 Report Share Posted April 20, 2019 Sorry, wasn't meaning rods them selfs, but bushings. Thanks Quote Link to comment
FrankRizzo Posted April 20, 2019 Report Share Posted April 20, 2019 just saw these this morning on the Bay of E https://www.ebay.com/itm/TRW-HB1424-Front-Suspension-Strut-Rod-Bushing-For-1978-1979-Datsun-620-1980-720/183227752228?fits=Model%3A620|Make%3ADatsun&epid=74501820&hash=item2aa9399f24:g:K4QAAOSwZ~ha-0fk Says he has two available... . 1 Quote Link to comment
Charlie69 Posted April 22, 2019 Report Share Posted April 22, 2019 MOOG Part # K9218. Bushings only need to reuse metal sleeve. MOOG or NAPA. 1 Quote Link to comment
Goemon Posted March 17, 2021 Report Share Posted March 17, 2021 Another Necro-post I find...LOL I recently bought 620 Rubber strut rod bushings at Auto Zone. Made in JAPAN https://www.autozone.com/suspension-steering-tire-and-wheel/strut-rod-bushing-kit/nissandatsun/620 Quote Link to comment
Goemon Posted March 17, 2021 Report Share Posted March 17, 2021 When I had my 69 Ghia, I made the mistake of putting poly transaxle mounts in. The next weekend I took them out, they transferred the engine vibration to the body and the noise was terrible. If you want to "feel the road", add all poly crap. 1 Quote Link to comment
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