1967 411 Bluebird Engine conversion

[Kodu411]

Guys,

I'm New to 411 and please help with this conversion.. 

 

my current engine is J series  3 sp manual and very  tired.. im middle of rebuilding all the suspension and brakes.. I was thinking to do a engine convertion.. I realley appreciate if some one explain my options..

 

thank you

[KELMO]

I probably won't be too much help here but.....

 

The "J" motor and the "A" motor are almost identical in design. In your part of the world "A" motors seem to be more available. Or more to the point, there seems to be more Sunny's over there than over here.

My guess is that your 3 spd is a column type affair and most 4 spds will be a floor type shift.

[]2eDeYe]

 

[Kodu411]

thanks guys.. I will look for a A tye engine.. at this stage I need something simple and less effort.

[reza]

I would highly suggest not swapping. Pull the engine, give it new rings, cam, dual carbs, header.
https://ratsun.net/topic/6785-e1j13-interchangeability-with-mgnash-parts/

This thread should be a sticky in the 411 section. 

[datzenmike]

On a J13 3 speed? Rebuild, yes but this engine only has 3 main bearings unlike the L series which have 5 and can bear the weight of the golden gate bridge.

 

The later A series had 5 speeds too.

[Kodu411]

Thanks for info huys.

 

I found A12 engine .. just wonder how hard to put them in to 411.. also my J13 has 3sp column.. can i fit 4speed in to J13 engine..?

[datzenmike]

If getting an A series, get an A series transmission. There were 4 and 5 speeds. The 5 speeds are quite rare as they also fit MGs.

 

The '66-'68 520 and '69 (first year) L521 were J13 with 4 speeds.

[Kodu411]

yes I can find A series engine with 4speed gearbox.. since i havent done ths b4 wonder how hard to do the engine mounts.. or can i use A series engine mounts 

 

thanks

[datzenmike]

You have me there, I have no idea. Hopefully the transmissions are same length or the driveshaft will need modifying too.

[Swedishcadillac]

A lot of welding to subframe is required for the a-series oil pan to fit. I welded custom motor mounts.Header and steering box are tight.  Check my build in project datto “a 410 goon moves to Hawaii”

[jfbrink]

 

To reinforce what @Swedishcadillac said, one of my 411s came to me with an A14 sitting lopsided in the engine bay. I spent some time exploring how to make it fit, and it required loads of cutting, which didn't seem worth it to me.

 

Jesse.

[Swedishcadillac]

 

these kind of shenanigans....

[Pedro]

MG 1.8L engines are one of the better engine swaps, just keep your J13 sump and pickup to suit.

 

Engine mounts will need fabrication, and you will need to get a new driveshaft to match. It's a slippery slope in costs once you get started, so if you aren't chasing power, I'd consider a J15 from a 620 ute (they are cheap over here).

 

If you are more hands on like the guys above, get the grinder out and go nuts, but those kind of mods on crossmembers require engineering in Australia, unless you are a master and can make it look factory.

[MikeRL411]

On ‎12‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 1:41 PM, datzenmike said:

On a J13 3 speed? Rebuild, yes but this engine only has 3 main bearings unlike the L series which have 5 and can bear the weight of the golden gate bridge.

 

The later A series had 5 speeds too.

 

A bit late on this comment but the metric R1600 roadster engine has 5 main bearings.  The need to route the exhaust through the left front fender, avoiding interference with the carbs and the starter solenoid would be eased due to the right hand drive in this case.  No carbs  and no steering worm interference. You could use 510 starters. Just routing the exhaust would take ingenuity.

 

An added bonus is that this metric engine can fairly easily be upgraded to 2 liter capacity.

Edited May 2, 2020 by MikeRL411
Added fact.