5 lug

[cgovia]

has any one converted to 5 lug? or do they make any adapters for that?

[Nicholas7620]

:) From Wiki, I found

 

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Nissan_240SX_Performance_Modification/4_lug_to_5_lug_conversion

 

 

From e-bay, I found

 

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37.l1313&satitle=4+to+5+lug+conversion&category0=

 

Do you have measurements? Just guessing on this one from ebay.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VINTAGE-CAR-RARE-4-LUG-TO-5-CONVERSION-KIT-PUT-ANY-RIMS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ34209QQihZ024QQitemZ370099793554QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

 

I haven't actually considered changing from four lugs to five. Thanks for the idea. :)

[Steroid]

We have discussed this topic a few times. There is a shop still in business in Sanat Ana, Ca. that can convert. Try a search on this subject. One of the posts was quite long. Maybe We should do a sticky????????

[kaoss]

A lot of guys do 5 lug swaps on mazda b sereis since there really is no wheel selection for 6 lug wheels that will tuck on a layed out truck. There is a couple different ways that we Mazda guys do it.

 

Rear end:

 

Any 5 lug rear end will work, but your best bolt pattern for wheel selection comes from 5x4.5, toyota and ford ranger.

 

Toyota Axle width by year:

 

73-78 ~ 53"

79-83 ~ 55"

84-88 ~ 57"

89-95 ~ 58.5"

95-04 ~ 60"

 

Square body ranger axle width:

 

56 3/4" (this is the measurement taken from an '87)

 

The best thing about the ranger rear end is that ford offset the pumpkin to one side by two inches. One of the axle tubes is 2" shorter than the other. So all you have to do to narrow it is get one of the shorter axles and narrow one side.

Rear end swaps do involve a trip to the shop to get a drive shaft made. You

[1lo620]

I had a 87 Mazda that I had a machine shop redrill to a toyota bolt pattern. I cant remember the cost less then $100 bucks a wheel. But that was almost 15 yrs ago. They do make adapters, just have to be careful on the spacing. So several differnet ways, just choose your means. Good luck....ANd just to let you know, there are plenty of wheels available in 6 lug that will tuck. Just have to pay the price and order them. There are companies that will let you order your own bolt pattern,, just takes longer and cost a bit more. Talk with yur local tire/wheel shop. I know Les Schwab does it.

[mklotz70]

.....uuuummmmmm......he owns a wagon.....so I'm betting he's interested in 4 to 5 lug info.....not the truck info.....but I could be wrong since he posted in the truck section.

 

You can redrill the rear axles easy enough...get the 200sx rear rotor, set it over the centering nub of the axle...Carefully mark and drill the holes.....oh.....you do need to weld up one of the large access holes first. I've seen a couple of guys do it with drill presses.

 

As for the front....the "holy grail" of the 510 conversions is the '87 front struts. I think it was the turbo?? It has 5 lugs on it and the spindle angles match the 510's....so other than changing the spring(which I'm not sure you have to) it's almost a bolt in.

 

Look for more info along those lines.....the 200sx stuff. I've heard that any strut mods you can do to the 510 can also be done to the b210.....just fyi.

 

 

...if it's the truck swap you want.....I'm pretty sure the toy stuff fits the hardbody spindles( have not verified yet)...but you'd have to do a ball joint swap first.

[slodat]

As for the front....the "holy grail" of the 510 conversions is the '87 front struts. I think it was the turbo?? It has 5 lugs on it and the spindle angles match the 510's....so other than changing the spring(which I'm not sure you have to) it's almost a bolt in.

 

Mike, the strut you are referring to came in the S12 very late '86-'88 VG30 200SX. I'm not so sure about holy grail... They are desirable because they have the same spindle angle as you said. The other nice thing about them is some really nice factory Nissan 4 piston calipers bolt on to them - R32, early Z32, etc.

 

As far as springs go, the V6 S12 strut spring will not fit in a 510. They are much larger in diameter, so they will require the stock lower spring perches to be welded on or a coil over conversion.

[521Lvr]

No need to ditch the rear for another.

Just have the rear axels and drums redrilled to 5x4.5

Heck, 1 of the holes already works, so only 4 holes drilled in each axel.

For the front. Find a pair of 87 300zx turbo front hubs. They will straight bolt on.

 

Bam! 5lug setup. That is what I did to my Z.

 

I think the 300z came with 3 different front hubs. First were 4 lug. Second had a rear bolt on rotor and the third had a slip on rotor.

 

I did have to have a 1 3/8 aluminum spacer made to space the rotor under the car more. But that was mostly cause of my break setup.

[kaoss]

 

...if it's the truck swap you want.....I'm pretty sure the toy stuff fits the hardbody spindles( have not verified yet)...but you'd have to do a ball joint swap first.

 

That is really confusing, what do ball joints have to do with mounting Toy stuff on the hard body spindle? I am probably missing something.

 

And no, you can't just throw the toy hub on the hardbody spindle, it may seem like it fits, but it doesn't. The stories that I have heard usually talk about a three year span that it works, then it fails miserably, just when the truck is doing about 70 down the highway.

[slodat]

What he means is the 320, 520, 521 and 620 trucks through '77 are all king pin front suspension. So, in order to use hardbody spindles, you have to convert to balljoint upper and lower control arms so you can use the hardbody spindle. The toyota hub can be fit to the hardbody spindle, with some machine work.

[521Lvr]

Not on a truck. But on a car that came with struts up front.

You could just take the entire front strut housing, brakes, etc from a 300zx or even 240sx and bolt the entire thing in the front.

Prolly be a couple obstacles but doable.

I seen a guy that put 90 model rx7 front struts, brakes, etc in a Z. Pretty much a bolt in. He did switch to coil overs tho.

[slodat]

The 300zx strut spindle angle is all wrong for a 510. 240sx is a completely different style of strut. It's going to take a good amount of fabricating to get 240sx stuff to work. The only struts that have spring stock diameter small enough to fit in a 510 strut tower that I know of are b210.

 

The most common 510 swap is either 280zx or S12 V6 with 510 springs and perches or coilovers.

 

I hope this helps

[521Lvr]

I figured anyone going to all the trouble to swap to 5 lug would go coilovers too.

 

So, since a 280zx is the hot ticket. Swap them in and then put the hub/rotor combo from 300zx on it. I know for sure they bolt straight to the 280zx spindle.

[slodat]

That's correct 521Lvr. The bearing sizes are the same on most stuff after '77 or so. So you can use whatever hub you want, provided you are up for fabricating a bracket to mount the caliper you use.

[521Lvr]

That's why I had the hub/rotor spacer made for mine.

I didn't want to make a caliper bracket. And it keeps the caliper bolted on the stock local. And it keeps the sprung weight under the car more.

 

BTW. I am running Toyota 4x4 front calipers. Straight bolt on. A bit heavy, but they put the bind on.

Edited October 25, 2008 by 521Lvr

[kaoss]

What he means is the 320, 520, 521 and 620 trucks through '77 are all king pin front suspension. So, in order to use hardbody spindles, you have to convert to balljoint upper and lower control arms so you can use the hardbody spindle. The toyota hub can be fit to the hardbody spindle, with some machine work.

 

duh...I knew that. Silly me.:rolleyes:

[mklotz70]

slodat....thanks for jumping in there for me....I was buried for a couple of days there. Wasn't trying to ignore....just couldn't get to it.