Lockleaf Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I warned you in my first post about the reaction you would get. Happens every time. But seriously, who's builds are you reading to say everyone is building a cookie cutter factory resto? That crap is over on the Realm. I suppose if 280zx struts and some kind of Nissan 4 cylinder is your definition of cookie cutter, you are right. Those are a common theme here. V8 510 gets bagged on because of a number of good reasons. Huge engine, tiny car is the American formula for a drag racer. A shame to make a car renowned in it's day for its handling into a straight line car. Also, 99 out of 100 of the people who ask about the swap either can't do it or don't finish it, so you'll have to forgive us when yet another guy who hasnt cut his teeth on the forum asks that question. Don't tell. Show. Just do it. And yes, your unibody can't take that kind of beating. Loads of welding and reinforcing will be necessary to handle both the weight and the drivetrain stress. Honestly, I have never seen Mike say a single positive thing to a person talking about this swap. The fact that he simply stated "look them up, identify the problems" is actually pretty significant. You haven't been flamed. At all. Go look up some of the other v8 threads from the last year, then you will see flaming. You want us to tell you cool idea dude? Then build it right, like Peter Brock and his Datzilla. https://www.flickr.com/photos/griots/5532039121/in/photostream Quote Link to comment
q-tip Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 If you would go and read the v8 in a 510 threads that have been posted I am actually one of the few that says fuckin go for it, I then say don't use a small block Chevy. I would also say this about the 273, distributor is at the wrong end for it to be stuffed under the dash of a 510. If you want to build a rat rod out of it then just cut the whole damn font end off an weld on some frame sections from an old ford and make it whatever the hell you want. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Forgot this was a goon. Forget the comment about the rear end not handling a small V8. The H-190 is plenty strong enough. Don't get mad.... get to work. Quote Link to comment
Lockleaf Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Just how Rat Rod are you wanting to actually go? Q-tips comment made me think that really if you slammed the back of the wagon down with some giant tires sticking out to either side of it and cut off the front end and stretch some frame rails out so the V8 doesn't have to sit under the dashboard and then just slapped basically the grill and headlights and Valence back on to it that might be a pretty sweet dirty rat car Quote Link to comment
Theblackpearl Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I was thinking about lengthening the front frame rails and clip. give it a longer hood? or using air bags to offset the weight gain, and placing the motor actually as far forward as possible in the compartment to maintain shifter placement and overall interior design, I was planning a tube x frame under the car so it has more structure but still looks stock I am not a fan of full caged cars. Quote Link to comment
Theblackpearl Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I want to go more rat rod then I have ever seen done but I still want the tires under the car. I'm not going to chop the top but it will be very ratty Quote Link to comment
Theblackpearl Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Lockleaf by the way you're a badass man Thanks for the help and positive feedback Quote Link to comment
Lockleaf Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Well dammit now I want to see it Quote Link to comment
Theblackpearl Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 So As far as firewall the 273 measures 19 3/4" from front of motor mount to backing plate. My 510 is at the shop... does anyone know the l16 measurement? Quote Link to comment
Theblackpearl Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I am thinking when I modify the transmiSion tunnel I'm going make it flush with the dash and weld piston ring compressors as cup holders:) Quote Link to comment
Lockleaf Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 See also Oil pan cup holders Piston cup holders And Conn rod cup holders Quote Link to comment
Theblackpearl Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I love the rod cup holders I don't envision the space being available w/my 4 speed 3ft shifter handle... However the Pistons could be done. Maybe on the rear doors? Quote Link to comment
Draker Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 All V8 threads end this way.. 1 Quote Link to comment
Theblackpearl Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 You're funny draker I'll measure the l16 this afternoon And by next year it will be on the road as a running driving project I'll post progress Quote Link to comment
HOGIE Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 just put an LS in it Quote Link to comment
Theblackpearl Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 N0 thanks too much power, and wiring Quote Link to comment
q-tip Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 just put an LS in it Worst. idea. ever.... 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 So As far as firewall the 273 measures 19 3/4" from front of motor mount to backing plate. My 510 is at the shop... does anyone know the l16 measurement? Fit the engine, keep in mind room for a rad, the MMs fall wherever they fall. How long is the 3 (or 4) speed to the shifter. It's side mounted so can't be that far back. Quote Link to comment
HOGIE Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Worst idea ever.... It was a fucken joke Quote Link to comment
q-tip Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 It was a fucken joke And you were taking me seriously? Quote Link to comment
Theblackpearl Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I'll go measure it it's an a833 Trans 4 speed. Quote Link to comment
HOGIE Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 And you were taking me seriously? I just don't know what to take seriously, are you kidding now? :blush: :huh: Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I'll go measure it it's an a833 Trans 4 speed. Had one behind my 340. Quote Link to comment
Theblackpearl Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Just measured the existing motor and it looks like 4" have to be made up for. I am thinking a 4" longer hood would look nice. I still have to measure the trans. I'll keep you posted Quote Link to comment
docbainey Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 see this thread, don't know how to re-post pics, I would let the rear tires hang out, lengthen the front end and maybe cut the roof off http://community.ratsun.net/topic/64882-280z-abandonned-in-the-wood/ Quote Link to comment
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