Bkplunk64 Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 I was making my final trip home with the 411, made it have way through Wyoming and the ignition coil went out, is there a fix, or is the someone that might happen to be close to rawlins, Wyoming. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Is your ignition system stock points? Any 1.5 ohm coil should do. Most points distributor coils will work. Try an old '70 chev coil from NAPA 1 Quote Link to comment
Bkplunk64 Posted December 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Ok that's a big help, gonna try to get a taxi to the parts store tomorrow morning Quote Link to comment
Bkplunk64 Posted December 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Yeah its stock Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 You're sure it's the coil??? Lots of things can cause no spark. Points not opening, points not closing. Ballast resistor broken... fires when starting but won't run when key let go. Ignition switch. Quote Link to comment
Bkplunk64 Posted December 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 It's -13 outside it's really hard to try and do much, till the morning at least when it's 15 degrees warmer, home the block will be ok in the cold Quote Link to comment
Bkplunk64 Posted December 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Also don't think it has a ballist resistor, I have yet to see one at least Quote Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Jesus Rawlings is about as in the middle of nowhere, as any place this side of Mars. If you don't see resistor next to coil on that shelf next to coil,, (or hooked directly to coil) ,, maybe that caused your problem ,, as it might have burnt out your points.. You can field test your coil by running a wire directly from positive side of battery (with a jumper wire) to the + on the coil and tap it ,, it should fire at the distributor end if the wire is pulled out of the distributor cap and laid next to an engine ground .. OR hold positive to + and tap a separate ground wire to - side of coil.................. DON'T leave straight B+ hooked to coil very long though as it will heat up Always carry at least one set of NEW points in your car ,,,, The service manual i have in front of me says point gap is 0.020 in. I looked up the point set on rockauto and the points for your car should also be compatible wth these other vehicles ,, if that helps the counter guy find them easier. HEVROLET LUV 1975CHEVROLET LUV PICKUP 1974DODGE COLT (1971 - 1983)HONDA ACCORD (1976 - 1979)HONDA CIVIC (1973 - 1979)HYUNDAI EXCEL 1986HYUNDAI PONY (1984 - 1987)HYUNDAI STELLAR (1985 - 1986)MAZDA 1200 1971MAZDA 1800 1971MAZDA 616 1971MAZDA 618 1972MAZDA 808 (1972 - 1973)MAZDA B1600 1974NISSAN 1200 (1971 - 1973)NISSAN 1300 (1972 - 1973)NISSAN 1600 (1968 - 1970)NISSAN 210 (1979 - 1980)NISSAN 240Z (1970 - 1973)NISSAN 410 (1964 - 1965)NISSAN 411 (1964 - 1967)NISSAN 510 (1968 - 1973)NISSAN 520 PICKUP (1965 - 1968)NISSAN 521 PICKUP (1968 - 1972)NISSAN 610 (1973 - 1975)NISSAN 620 PICKUP (1972 - 1975)NISSAN 710 (1974 - 1975)NISSAN B210 (1974 - 1976)PLYMOUTH ARROW 1980PLYMOUTH CHAMP (1979 - 1982)PLYMOUTH COLT 1983PLYMOUTH CRICKET (1971 - 1972)SUBARU 1400 1973SUBARU DELUXE (1972 - 1973)SUBARU DL (1973 - 1975)SUBARU GF 1975SUBARU GL (1972 - 1975)SUBARU STAR (1971 - 1972) bold-ed the Nissan ones but rockauto shows all those cars run those points. 2 Quote Link to comment
Bkplunk64 Posted December 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Thanks for all the help, I replaced the ignition coil and plugs, just trying to get it started with a cold and now mostly dead battery, waiting for this guy to drag me around for a bump start Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 I notice on 520s I never say a ballast also. Maybe 411 the same and had a resisitive wire as I never saw a bypass wire on the 520 I worked on. the point wire was shorted to ground in side. You pull the coil wire from distributor cap and put close to ground? see if spark? maybe no 12volt to the coil so check the fuse and or replace it Quote Link to comment
MikeRL411 Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 VERY far out, but it happened to me. The "extra flex" or "Litz" wire from the points plate to the feedthru to ground can [rarely] break, thus disabling the ground return from the points. Said wire unobtainable, BUT is included in early VW liquid engine point system renew point sets. Sorry, can't remember the exact series, but go to good auto parts store and look for a point set for VWs that has a wire from the point plate to the bypass capacitor. If unobtainable, do what I did. Take a point bypass capacitor, cut the ground cable, swedge or solder on an open spade connector, fold the wire in half to provide expansion capability and wire it in place of the open plate to ground wire. My RL411 still has the folded substitute ground wire after 25 years! Just be careful of how you route the wire, it should not interfere with normal to-and-fro plate travel, As an emergency "fix", wiggle the open wire until you believe you can felt a "connect". Hit the starter then stop! You have just welded enough individual wire strands to get the engine started and drive to the nearest auto parts store and start searching for the VW point set. I can personally vouch for this quick avoidance of a tow truck! Quote Link to comment
MikeRL411 Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Jesus Rawlings is about as in the middle of nowhere, as any place this side of Mars. If you don't see resistor next to coil on that shelf next to coil,, (or hooked directly to coil) ,, maybe that caused your problem ,, as it might have burnt out your points.. You can field test your coil by running a wire directly from positive side of battery (with a jumper wire) to the + on the coil and tap it ,, it should fire at the distributor end if the wire is pulled out of the distributor cap and laid next to an engine ground .. OR hold positive to + and tap a separate ground wire to - side of coil.................. DON'T leave straight B+ hooked to coil very long though as it will heat up Always carry at least one set of NEW points in your car ,,,, The service manual i have in front of me says point gap is 0.020 in. I looked up the point set on rockauto and the points for your car should also be compatible wth these other vehicles ,, if that helps the counter guy find them easier. HEVROLET LUV 1975 CHEVROLET LUV PICKUP 1974 DODGE COLT (1971 - 1983) HONDA ACCORD (1976 - 1979) HONDA CIVIC (1973 - 1979) HYUNDAI EXCEL 1986 HYUNDAI PONY (1984 - 1987) HYUNDAI STELLAR (1985 - 1986) MAZDA 1200 1971 MAZDA 1800 1971 MAZDA 616 1971 MAZDA 618 1972 MAZDA 808 (1972 - 1973) MAZDA B1600 1974 NISSAN 1200 (1971 - 1973) NISSAN 1300 (1972 - 1973) NISSAN 1600 (1968 - 1970) NISSAN 210 (1979 - 1980) NISSAN 240Z (1970 - 1973) NISSAN 410 (1964 - 1965) NISSAN 411 (1964 - 1967) NISSAN 510 (1968 - 1973) NISSAN 520 PICKUP (1965 - 1968) NISSAN 521 PICKUP (1968 - 1972) NISSAN 610 (1973 - 1975) NISSAN 620 PICKUP (1972 - 1975) NISSAN 710 (1974 - 1975) NISSAN B210 (1974 - 1976) PLYMOUTH ARROW 1980 PLYMOUTH CHAMP (1979 - 1982) PLYMOUTH COLT 1983 PLYMOUTH CRICKET (1971 - 1972) SUBARU 1400 1973 SUBARU DELUXE (1972 - 1973) SUBARU DL (1973 - 1975) SUBARU GF 1975 SUBARU GL (1972 - 1975) SUBARU STAR (1971 - 1972) bold-ed the Nissan ones but rockauto shows all those cars run those points. And early OPELs ! Quote Link to comment
Bkplunk64 Posted December 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Ok finally got spark but not I can't keep it running, carb is getting fuel as well Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Can't keep running when the ignition key is released? when cold? when warmed up? when driving? when idling? More info. Quote Link to comment
Bkplunk64 Posted December 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Runs shortly after its releaseI'm gonna lean more towards cold, can't drive and it is idling like it has a bigger cam Quote Link to comment
Bkplunk64 Posted December 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Nvm every one it seems like it's gonna be shipped home on Wednesday :/ I was throughly enjoyin the cross country trip in it, but I can get it to stay running. You all have been a great help. Now I get to wait in a truck stop and take a 2 day bus trip starting tomorrow. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Is the choke on??? Cold start it should be closed. Just take top off the air filter and look. Once warm it should be off or full open. Closed. On cold engine tap accelerator once to set the choke to ON... Open when engine fully warmed up 10-20 min depending on weather. The above is for an electric choke. Yours may be a pull knob on the dash. May have choke or a C on it. Pull out fully and check the choke is ON. 1 Quote Link to comment
Bkplunk64 Posted December 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Yeah it was on, no more worries from me with it, just gonna ship it. Once it gets home I'm gonna pull the engine and rebuild as much of it as I can and maybe sell it. I want to put a ka24 in it for a little more power. Quote Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 You ever wonder why anyone would ever, in the history of the world,, end up living in Wyoming ,,,,,,,, look behind their barns, there is probably a broke down Datsun back there.. Give me the address of the guy you bought it from, and i will drive over there tonight with a map with Wyoming circled and kick him dead in the nuts for you. :lol: If that old J13 got you all the way out there,, it sounds like it has lots of life left in her.. When you get it home just post in your build thread and there will be many people MORE than willing to give you help in getting her up and running again. Happy thoughts in the new year . Quote Link to comment
Bkplunk64 Posted December 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 I was accually told about what I think could be a 510 sitting in someone's yard Quote Link to comment
Bkplunk64 Posted December 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 When I tear it down if the looks good I definitely want to make it look good again, will also allow me to rewire the whole car with full wire tuck. Quote Link to comment
exit64 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 Did you check for carb icing? That would make it run as you described. Quote Link to comment
MikeRL411 Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 You ever wonder why anyone would ever, in the history of the world,, end up living in Wyoming Because it's is realy "Gods country!" Open range. Antelopre and Elk! Who need more! Plus we got the constitual minimal votein the US Congress than any other US State than the Union! Thank for the comprise that guarantise every statle one house in the US House of Representatives! No longer a Wyomng a resident, but enjoyed the privelegiges of the unique state while I was a voter! BTY, Wyoming was the first state to allow Women to vote! That's why it's called the "Equallity State", but I had to wait until my marriage to my Japanese wife was "Legal"despite the Equality State motto! My wife was uniformily asked "What tribe are you from?" in Amerind tribal meetings that we attended in Wyoming or Montana BTW! Gues we didn't look like Hutterites! Quote Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 Wyoming might be ok,,, hell having Mr. Haney drop buy with needed farm supplies would be way easier than ordering from Amazon for sure. Quote Link to comment
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