TENDRIL Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 The strongest country's were not !!!! given their freedom... EDIT 4 Link to comment
TENDRIL Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 inappropriate Edit Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 The strongest country's were given their freedom... The current trend is to ridicule the american history and freedoms. 5 Link to comment
TENDRIL Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Which is ridiculous, if kids knew that slaves were a HUGE part in our freedom and really if it weren't for our African brethren, who know where the fuck we'd be 2 Link to comment
TENDRIL Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 There will be two types of people in our country when everything goes to shit.... The ones who run to Canada and Americans 4 Link to comment
DaBlist Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Which is ridiculous, if kids knew that slaves were a HUGE part in our freedom and really if it weren't for our African brethren, who know where the fuck we'd be Link to comment
TENDRIL Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 that guys not even black 1 Link to comment
VFR800 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-02/parramatta-police-headquarters-site-of-shooting-two-dead/6824320 Link to comment
KoHeartsGPA Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Like I stated before, all school shootings have occurred under the utopian gun free zone umbrella, IT'S NOT A FUCKING COINCIDENCES, CRIMINALS AREN'T GOING TO TARGET ARMED ESTABLISHMENTS, and if they do, the damage they inflict would be a fraction of whats being done now. It's common sense, not rocket science! 1 Link to comment
VFR800 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Would seem in the Parramatta Police HQ case (an armed establishment) the shooter had no regard for his surviving the encounter. I am not saying that KoHeartsGPA as a rebuttal to your comment,rather to highlight that the motives,agenda and expectation of a "lone gunman" can be VERY wide ranging,ill conceived/planned and it is that aspect that is the most dangerous to all citizens and communites. From an anti-terrorism POV,western nations via their law enforcement and Intelligence/Security agencies realised that a wild card (like Man Monis in Sydney Lindt Cafe siege) is far more dangerous to all than an organised cell as the organised cell can be detected,infiltrated or intercepted before they strike. The random/nutter factor is really something I'd fear over Al-Quaeda or ISIS and the like (not saying they're not threats - most certainly they are). How or if the USA will arrive at a choice on how to combat/prevent this for schools in USA is of course still hanging in the air. We (all humans,US citizen or not) desire to feel safe and yet how each of us may define how to do it can diverge widely. Consensus may not even bring the kind of lasting safety we all crave with human propensity to harm their fellowman seemingly infinite. 1 Link to comment
KoHeartsGPA Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 I can get a gun illegally faster than legal route, what's your point? My point is simple, ban guns = more power to bad guys 6 Link to comment
VFR800 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 I can get a gun faster the same way too here in AUS so that's not a US centric fact. My point is that no matter what is done - more,less or no guns - nutjobs like the Oregon fuckstick and the one in Parramatta and the one at the Lindt Cafe Sydney will always be a threat,nothing makes us 100% safe. Your simple point is not in contention from me Not sure why you are on the defensive to the topic when I'm not speaking contrary to a single thing you're saying. 1 Link to comment
maltese Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 The Police shooting=2 dead. School shooting>10 dead. These lone gunmen (pussies) take on unarmed citizens, and more lives are lost. I prefer to have a fighting chance against them, if I am faced with their insanity. 3 Link to comment
VFR800 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Sure,I did not say anything (please show me where I did) against your preference. Link to comment
maltese Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Sure,I did not say anything (please show me where I did) against your preference. I have no argument with you, just stating my preference on legal gun ownership. 1 Link to comment
KoHeartsGPA Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 VTR, my friend, the leftist in this country have been trying to eliminate our rights to bare arms for decades and every time something like this happens they politicize it to advance their agenda, they however conveniently leave out the fact that all these victims of mass shooting are gun free zones. It's not a cultural problem, it's a mental diarrhea problem. 1 Link to comment
VFR800 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 I do not say or believe it's a cultural problem,it's a societal problem in that the underlying causes of how people like these shooters come to the point of doing these atrocities is largely ignored by almost everyone. Some ignore it cause they are the 'politicising' type and advance their agenda be it pro or anti-guns,some ignore it cause they want to be Ostriches and stick their head in the sand (or their ass) thinking the problem will somehow go away. Mental diarrhea true in relation to the various narratives on the issue Re: the origin of these lone gunman and how they come to be - I would say mental cancer. Cancer as most of us know is that insidious tumour that sucks the goodness,vitality and life out of it's host and that is what happens to ANY person connected or affected by these acts of violence. Cancer needs a cure,but prevention is better. That is what I see lacking for all humankind. Link to comment
KoHeartsGPA Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 You want us to be preemptive....well.....that's not possible.....it's called political correctness, the root cause IMO. Link to comment
VFR800 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 I am not politically correct much at all so no I am not wanting anyone to be PC. I am talking about humans directing their considerably powerful and wide ranging scope for acheivement to finding why we have these things come out of us,what can be done to improve ourselves to the point where we do not have this needless waste of life,this aberrant behaviour. Medical science for one is a place for it to start. It's the long bet not the short fix I am talking about ,which can be done in conjunction not in spite of other interim measures. Link to comment
KoHeartsGPA Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 You're asking for a utopian society....news flash!....that's a myth, there will always be violent fucked up people, it's a fact, we need to protect ourselves from them, simplify is the answer, don't over think this. Link to comment
VFR800 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Well that's your view and you of course have a right to it. My right to not agree with it also. 1 Link to comment
Draker Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Genuinely wondering out loud to y'all here: Any truth in the idea/story put forward that some of ( I rule out "all" cause logic) these shootings are helped along to perpetuate the gun control argument in the common media sphere and political sphere as it suits agendas? Would it be tin foil hat-ish to think that's happening? not to make lightly on the souls lost... but conspiracy you say? jet fuel cant melt steel? If you've ever watched the videos on the Sandy Hook shooting, it's some freaky shit. I'm no wacko conspiracy theorist... but damn bro.. damn... 2 Link to comment
VFR800 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Yeah,the world is not just a straight forward set of always random events,plenty of strings on the people of the world like a marionette. The lies we get fed daily is all one massive and well organised propoganda clusterbomb. 1 Link to comment
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