difrangia Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Help !!! I am beginning to scrounge up the parts needed to rebuild the original E1 engine in the NL320 that came to live with us over the Christmas holidays. Several weeks ago I found a webpage that gave some very good interchange information on the interchange of parts between the E1 engine and other engines. A number of matches/near matches were with the J13 engine and a number of British engines, even giving dimensional comparisons. There were even some motorcycle engine parts comparisons included. The page also contained measurements and specs for a number of other early Datsun engines, but the main content was interchangeability for the E1. This info is invaluable to someone trying to resurrect an E1 engine. The webpage is all text; no photos or links. I have been saving links in a WORD file that pertain to the Datsun cars that have really caught my fancy. Anyway, to the point of the post. The past several days I have tried to access the site with the interchange info and keep getting a 'Forbidden on the Server that you are Using' . I’ve tried to access it from several different computers with different servers. Here is the site address: http://www.farm.net/~mason/datsun/datsun-parts.html If someone can get this to open and save the text in some viewable format (WORD, PDF, etc.) and post back on the thread, I’d be eternally grateful. Some others here at Ratsun could surely also make use of the data. Thanks Steve Quote Link to comment
kelowg Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Its either members only or more likely the site is shutdown. Like they stopped paying for it. Wayno should b able to find us something tho :hyper: Quote Link to comment
erichwaslike Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 difrangia, send me your email and ill get it to you, ive got it saved as a whole webpage and ill try to get it in pdf for you.... just gotta know about caches....... Quote Link to comment
erichwaslike Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 heres a copy paste of it for anyone else looking for that info, myself and difrangia also have a pdf of it if anyone needs it in that format.... Early US Datsun Engine Info Engine Type Displacement A12A 1237cc 210 1980-1982 A14 1397cc 210 1975-1982 310 1975-1981 A15 1488cc 210 1979-1982 310 1981 310GX 1981 CA18ET 1809cc 200SX 1984 CA20E 1974cc 200SX 1984 E1 1189cc 312 1961-1965 320 1961-1965 410 1961-1965 Bore 2.874 in 73.0 mm Stroke 2.7953 in 71.0 mm Compression ratio 8.2:1 Piston pin 0.687 in 17.45 mm Compression height 1.280 in 32.5 mm Piston type Flat top Rod journals 1.8754/1.8760 in 47.635/47.650 mm Rod bearings AE # B4427LC Main journals 2.0004/2.0009 in 50.810/50.822 mm Main bearings AE # M3297SA Crank Thrust Washer AE # 2010SA Pistons - Alternate Sources Datsun 520 - 1965-1969 Datsun J13 engine Datsun 521 - 1965-1967 Datsun 411 - 1965-1968 Identical Datsun A10 engine Datsun 1000 - 1965-1970 Slight CR change Datsun A12 engine Datsun 1200 - 1971-1973 Datsun B110 - 1971-1973 Datsun A13 engine Datsun B210 - 1974 Slight CR change Main Bearings - Alternate Sources Datsun 411 1965-1969 Datsun J13 engine Datsun 520 1965-1969 Datsun 521 1965-1969 Identical MG MGA 1600 MK1 1961-1962 Identical MG Magnette MK4 1961-1962 Identical Austin A60 1962-1969 Identical E15 1488cc 310 1982 J13 1299cc 411 1965-1968 520 1965-1969 521 1965-1967 Bore 2.874 73.0mm Stroke 3.0551 Compression ratio 8.2:1 Piston pin 0.687 Compression height 1.279 Piston Type Flat Top Rod journals 1.8754/1.8760 47.635 mm/47.650 mm Rod bearings AE # B4427LC Main journals 2.0004/2.0009 50.810 mm/50.822 mm Main bearings AE # M3297SA Crank Thrust Washer AE # 2010SA L16 1595cc 510 1968-1973 521 1969-1972 620 1973 Bore 3.268 83.00 mm Stroke 2.9016 Compression ratio 8.5:1 Piston pin 0.827 Compression height 1.496 Piston Type Dished Rod journals 1.9670/1.9673 Rod bearings AE # B4491SA Main journals 2.1631/2.1635 Main bearings AE # M5269SA file:///C|/Users/rk1499/Downloads/search.htm[1/9/2014 7:50:10 AM] Crank Thrust Washer N/A L18 1770cc 610 1973-1974 620 1973-1974 L20B 1952cc 200SX 1977-1979 510 1977-1979 610 1974-1976 620 1974-1976 620 1977-1979 L24 2393cc 240Z 1970-1973 L26 2563cc 260Z 1974-1975 L28/L28E 2753cc 280Z 1975-1983 280ZX 1975-1983 VG30(T) 2960cc 300ZX 1984 Z20E/Z20S 1952cc 200SX 1980-1982 510 1980-1982 Z22E 2187cc 200SX 1982-1983 ---------------------------------------------------------------- E1 Engine Info ---------------------------------------------------------------- E1 engine - 1189cc Datsun 312 1961-1965 Datsun 320 Pickup 1961-1965 Datsun 410 - 1961-1965 Size - 1189cc Compression ratio - 8.2:1 Bore - 2.874 (73.0 mm) Stroke - 2.7953 stroke (71.0 mm) Piston pin - 0.687 (17.45 mm) Compression height - 1.280 (32.5 mm) Flat top piston Rod journals - 1.8754/1.8760 (47.635 mm/47.650 mm) Rod bearings - AE # B4427LC Main journals - 2.0004/2.0009 (50.810 mm/50.822 mm) Main bearings - AE # M3297SA Valves Intake - AE # V34491 Exhaust - AE # V34563 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Pistons ---------------------------------------------------------------- AE # 20907 Pistons are also used in: J13 engine - 1299cc Datsun 520 - 1965-1969 Datsun 521 - 1965-1967 file:///C|/Users/rk1499/Downloads/search.htm[1/9/2014 7:50:10 AM] Datsun 411 - 1965-1968 Similiar pistons used in: A10 engine - 988cc - AE # 19659 Datsun 1000 - 1965-1970 Note: 1.283 compression height with flat top height gives 8.5:1 CR A12 engine - 1171cc - AE # 19690 Datsun 1200 - 1971-1973 Datsun B110 - 1971-1973 Note: 1.279 compression height with dished top gives 9.0:1 in an A12 engine, CR would likely be lower than stock 8.2:1 in an A1 engine A13 engine - 1288cc - AE # 20228 Datsun B210 - 1974 Note: 1.283 compression height with dished piston gives 8.5:1 in an an A13 engine, CR would likely be lower than stock 8.2:1 in an A1 engine. Other possibilities: 745 cc Norton - AE # 19145 P11, P11A, N15CS, Matchless G15CS - 1964-1969 Note: Has 0.687 pin and 1.543 compression height. Would need rod eye honed 0.002" and 0.263" removed from piston crown. The piston has valve cutouts on the top, so it might be possible to remove that much, or less could be removed to raise the CR. There was also a 7:1 version of this piston made that is not listed here, it probably has a compression height very close to what's needed. Original Hepolite pistons for these bikes are expensive, but there are some very good quality low cost japanese pistons available for British bikes these days, although the 7:1 version is not likely to be reproduced. MG/Triumph - AE # 19708 MG/Triumph - AE # 20139/V1 (California model) MG Midget MK4 1500 1975-1980 Spitfire 1500 1973-1974 Spitfire 1500 1975-1981 emissions control Note: 2.8995 bore, 1.287 compression height, 0.813 pin These pistons would require a 0.64mm (0.0255") overbore, which is very reasonable, but the rod eyes would need to be reamed 0.126" oversize, which might be too much. A12A engine - AE # 21508 Datsun 210 Sedan - 1980-1981 Note: 2.9527 bore, 1.2850 compression height, 0.750 pin A12A engine - AE # 21533 Datsun 210 Sedan - 1982 Note: 2.9527 bore, 1.2805 compression height, 0.750 pin Pistons for the E1/J13 engines come in up to a 1.5mm overbore, this piston would require a 2mm overbore, which might be possible if the cylinders are thick enough. The rod eyes would need to be reamed to 0.750. Both of these pistons are dished and would probably give a CR below the stock 8.2:1. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Rod Bearings ---------------------------------------------------------------- Rod Bearings - AE # B4427LC Journal size - 1.8754-1.8760 Housing size - 2.0210-2.0215 Max thickness - 0.072 Length - 0.871 Rod bearings also used on: Datsun 411, 520, 521 (J13 engine) 1965-1969 Can be modified to fit: AE # B4173M - 0.880 long Hillman Minx Series IIIA, Series B 1959-1961 AE # B4354SA - 0.880 long Hillman Minx Series IIIA, Series B 1959-1961 Sunbeam Alpine Series I 1958 - 1961 Sunbeam Rapier Series 3 with iron head 1958-1961 AE # B4170M - 1.005 long Austin A50/A55 1954-1961 MG MGA MK1 1954-1962 file:///C|/Users/rk1499/Downloads/search.htm[1/9/2014 7:50:10 AM] MG Magnette 1954-1962 AE # B4357SA - 1.005 long Austin A60 1962-1969 MG MGA 1600 MK 1 1959-1961 MG MGA 1600 MK 2 1961-1962 MG MGB 1800 1962-1964 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Main Bearings ---------------------------------------------------------------- Main Bearings - AE # M3297SA Journal size - 2.0005-2.0010 Housing size - 2.1460-2.1465 Max thickness - 0.072 Length - 1.223 Main bearings are also used on: Datsun 411, 520, 521 (J13 engine) 1965-1969 MG MGA 1600 MK1 - 1961-1962 MG Magnette MK4 - 1961-1962 Austin A60 - 1962-1969 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thrust Washers ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thrust Washers Set - AE # W2010SA Inside Diameter - 2.2150-2.2250 Outside Diameter - 2.74000-2.75000 Max Thickness - 0.092" Identical to: Austin A60 - 1962-1969 MG MGA MK1 - 1954-1962 MG MGA 1600 MK1 - 1959-1961 MG MGA 1600 MK2 - 1961-1962 MG Magnette - 1954-1962 MG Magnette - 1961-1962 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Valves ---------------------------------------------------------------- Intake - AE # V34258 Type - PG Head - 1.375" Stem - 0.344" Length - 4.313" Intake Guides - AE # VAG50963 - Cast Iron Intake Guides - AE # VAG50963BR - Bronze Type - P Length - 1.875" Inside Diameter - 0.344" Outside Diameter - 0.563" Exhaust - AE # 90216 Type - PG Head - 1.184" Stem - 0.342" Length - 4.279 Exhaust Guides - AE # VAG50909 - Cast Iron Exhaust Guides - AE # VAG50909 - Bronze Type - P Length - 2.219" Inside Diameter - 0.344 Outside Diameter - 0.563" Intake and Exhaust guides used on Austin/MG Valve Springs - AE # VSP5094P Look for all these parts listed under other Datsun/Nissan ---------------------------------------------------------------- Gaskets file:///C|/Users/rk1499/Downloads/search.htm[1/9/2014 7:50:10 AM] file:///C|/Users/rk1499/Downloads/search.htm[1/9/2014 7:50:10 AM] ---------------------------------------------------------------- Head - AJ060 Head Set - CJ060 Full Set - FJ060 Valve Cover - JM006 Oil pan - JH007 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Valve Train Etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Chain - TC2352 See also: Austin, Austin Healy, MG, Toyota Crank Sprocket - 7S471 Cam Sprocket - 7S470 Tensioner - BT6 Timing Kit - TK15 1 Quote Link to comment
difrangia Posted January 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Erichwaslike, Thanks, man, you’re a lifesaver. The 320 has a bigger smile on her face today. Steve 1 Quote Link to comment
erichwaslike Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 for future reference, if you have a page thats giving you that message, put the web address in a google search, it should be the first result and next to it youll see a tiny arrow, click it and veiw the cached on, its a pic of the page from the past and most of the time gets what you need.... Quote Link to comment
aintnobiscuit Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 This is really good too. You can put any (popular) website in here and view it at different times while it was in existence. https://archive.org/web/ For example. here is the page site on feb 21st https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://farm.net/~mason/datsun/datsun-parts.html and here is the whole site https://web.archive.org/web/20120221185757/http://www.farm.net/~mason/datsun/ Quote Link to comment
wayno Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Wayno should b able to find us something tho :hyper: In your dreams, I know nothing about this subject other than I have an E1 in my NL320 and the 63 L320. and they both run good, so I leave them alone. :lol: Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 None of those engines interchange with the E1 Datsun engine. But all can be swapped in with more or less work and are of similar size. Some are quite close to the E1 but not a direct interchange. Quote Link to comment
dp320 Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 It was pretty sparse info and never actually was of use to me getting anything I needed. Quote Link to comment
difrangia Posted January 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 It was pretty sparse info and never actually was of use to me getting anything I needed. dp320 or anyone, Could you supply any interchange info or sources for E1 parts that I can start chasing. I've picked up gasket set, exhaust valves, and cam bearings, & timing chain from Ebay (all US suppliers) so far. I can get bearings from Ebay but don't know what sizes till I get the engine broke down & evaluate the crank. Need a source for E1 or J13 pistons, water pump, oil pump, & clutch/pressure plate/throw-out. Also does any one know if the pumps & clutch stuff will interchange betweem E1 & J13?? This is not my first rodeo on the obsolete parts issue. In the 70's & 80's there was no internet to work with on the oddball vehicles that I'm attracted to. I'm much luckier now days. Also have access to machining for modifications if necessary. Steve Quote Link to comment
dp320 Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 I found three sets of pistons at a company in NY state. Two sets were +.040, the other +.020. I purchased one of the +.040's. I got a full set of bearings and gaskets from them. Cam shaft from an MG parts company in Seattle (Ballard). Don't recall where I got my intake and exhaust valves. I think the NY company also specialized in MG and whoever was there knew how to put together a set of stuff after I asked about the pistons. I searched by part number and it led to an inventory item the guy didn't even realize he had. I called, asked, he went, "let me check" and sure enough they were still on the shelf. Try using both Bing and Google for searches. Use IE, cause frankly Microsoft is just better and all the Firefox and other fanbois are just paranoid, anti-capitalist, losers. I'll have to check my folder for the name of the company. Quote Link to comment
difrangia Posted January 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 I found three sets of pistons at a company in NY state. Two sets were +.040, the other +.020. I purchased one of the +.040's. I got a full set of bearings and gaskets from them. Cam shaft from an MG parts company in Seattle (Ballard). Don't recall where I got my intake and exhaust valves. I think the NY company also specialized in MG and whoever was there knew how to put together a set of stuff after I asked about the pistons. I searched by part number and it led to an inventory item the guy didn't even realize he had. I called, asked, he went, "let me check" and sure enough they were still on the shelf. Try using both Bing and Google for searches. Use IE, cause frankly Microsoft is just better and all the Firefox and other fanbois are just paranoid, anti-capitalist, losers. I'll have to check my folder for the name of the company. Great information, dp320, If you can come up with any more info, I'd sure appreciate it. The MG cam thing really interests me. I'd like to have a little bump on the cam and put a Weber on with the stock air cleaner. A few more horses and pretty much the original look under the hood. Steve Quote Link to comment
difrangia Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I found three sets of pistons at a company in NY state. Two sets were +.040, the other +.020. I purchased one of the +.040's. I got a full set of bearings and gaskets from them. Cam shaft from an MG parts company in Seattle (Ballard). Don't recall where I got my intake and exhaust valves. I think the NY company also specialized in MG and whoever was there knew how to put together a set of stuff after I asked about the pistons. I searched by part number and it led to an inventory item the guy didn't even realize he had. I called, asked, he went, "let me check" and sure enough they were still on the shelf. Try using both Bing and Google for searches. Use IE, cause frankly Microsoft is just better and all the Firefox and other fanbois are just paranoid, anti-capitalist, losers. I'll have to check my folder for the name of the company. DP320, Did you get a chance to see if you had the name of the NY parts supplier? Also, are you saying that you used an MG cam in an E1 engine? Steve Quote Link to comment
dp320 Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Ok, the name of the NY parts supplier is ClassicGarage.com out of Brewster. Gasket set ae-fj060. Bearings (not sure which is which) ae-mb347am.5 (mb = main?) ae-cr4424am.75 (cr = crank?) Thrust washers vp-w190std Timing Chain tc-2352 The gasket kit had "Cherry No FKS 452K W" and "Engine Overhaul Kit, Datsun Bluebird, E-1, J. Eng., 1963-1967" on the packaging. Quote Link to comment
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