EdwardK Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 So yeah. Anybody ever tried that? I've been looking for a 280zx in the salvage yards to no avail, but I've found a bunch of 300zx's. Think that stuff will fit? Quote Link to comment
thisismatt Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 No, the bolt spacing and cup at the bottom of the strut is not the same as 510/280zx as I recall, and I think the spindle angle is also bad for the 510. 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 About 1/3 way down... Needed to clear up some space, so I ended up starting on the struts that are laying around here. I mainly need to get the springs off them, but I think I'll probably take the perches of too while I'm at it. Don't expect this thread to get finished anytime soon. I'm putting this up for reference for now. Eventually, I'll finish the shortening. I originally planned on going with 210 springs cut down to 12", but coilover kits are so stinkin' cheap on ebay, I'll probably go with that. Yes....I have more struts than I can use at this point. At one time, I had 3 wagons here...now only two and the parts wgn will go away fairly soon.....I hope! Anyway...... ..mmmmm...the holy grail of struts....the '87 200sx 5 lug. I have the rear rotors and calipers too. But, since I plan on running my snowflakes, I don't know if these will make on the wgn. Stock 510. 280zx. The most commonly used strut. 210 struts. Got these simply to use the perches and springs. Not sure I will now. The ones on the left are rear 510 sedan??? I think. No clue. They're either of a 300zx, 200sx or came with another pile of stuff I bought years ago. 300zx struts. No use for them. The hubs rotors will fit the 200sx stuff, but the angles are way off to try to use on a 510. So...they make good practice fodder. Gotta have the 5 lug spare if you're gonna do the swap. The rest of these are of the 300zx strut on the lathe. Pretty much self explanatory. 1 Quote Link to comment
izzo Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 What's a 300zx? Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 The 300zx hub fits the earlier 2880zx spindle and moves the wheel inwards. I think inwards... Quote Link to comment
EdwardK Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Phooey. Well it was a thought, thanks guys! Quote Link to comment
EdwardK Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 What's a 300zx? Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 The calipers and rotors are boss. maybe can use them on something? Quote Link to comment
EdwardK Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 About 1/3 way down... So according to this post I could use 200sx struts? (Cause I know where a couple of those are.) Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 You have 71 610 in your profile. You must mean a 510? 510s had a 2? different strut types, both quite long. All 510, 610, 710, A10 (hl510) s10 AND s110 (200SX) 280zx and 810/Maxima have the same 10 degree spindle angle, well, up to the 300sx anyway. The 510 struts (and I think the very early 610s) have smaller wheel bearings so later hubs won't fit, or 510 hubs won't fit later struts. The 510 spindle nut is also smaller. Most 510,610,710,A10,S10,S110 front coils are small diameter. 280zx and Maxima coils, top hats and bottom spring perches are much larger diameter and will not fit up into the strut towers of these other cars. The bottom perches can be cut off the zx struts and smaller ones attached. All strut tubes are 2" diameter. Most strut tubes are slightly smaller length that the 510 with the 280zx and Maximas being the shortest for lowering the ride height. Well over one inch shorter. If you see any errors in this please correct me. 1 Quote Link to comment
EdwardK Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 You have 71 610 in your profile. You must mean a 510? 510s had a 2? different strut types, both quite long. All 510, 610, 710, A10 (hl510) s10 AND s110 (200SX) 280zx and 810/Maxima have the same 10 degree spindle angle, well, up to the 300sx anyway. The 510 struts (and I think the very early 610s) have smaller wheel bearings so later hubs won't fit, or 510 hubs won't fit later struts. The 510 spindle nut is also smaller. Most 510,610,710,A10,S10,S110 front coils are small diameter. 280zx and Maxima coils, top hats and bottom spring perches are much larger diameter and will not fit up into the strut towers of these other cars. The bottom perches can be cut off the zx struts and smaller ones attached. All strut tubes are 2" diameter. Most strut tubes are slightly smaller length that the 510 with the 280zx and Maximas being the shortest for lowering the ride height. Well over one inch shorter. If you see any errors in this please correct me. That all sounds right to me. Thanks Mike. And my profile seems to be a typo (fixed). I have a '72 610. Not a '71. I have honestly never laid my hands on a 510. The calipers and rotors are boss. maybe can use them on something? Maybe. I'm not totally sure at the moment. Quote Link to comment
510T Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 If you decide on s12 200sx struts you will need an adapter for the steering arm, pictures from datsunwizard's old thread: 1 Quote Link to comment
thisismatt Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 s12 200sx struts will bolt up, but the cups are larger so you lose the sheer value of the cup/boss interface to the steering knuckle. So, you can get a washer like spacer, or roll center adjust spacers as posted above ^^^ with the correct size boss to fit the 200sx strut. The 200sx struts will take a higher offset wheel than the 280zx strut, but have slightly smaller vented rotors than 280zx. s12 200sx struts can be found in 4 lug or 5 lug with the V6 SE 200sx. The 5 lug struts can fit the larger 300zx calipers and there are different mix & match hub setups you could mess with to convert the 5 lug struts to 4 lug hubs. 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Hey Matt... If the strut to spindle angles are all the same and the S12 strut takes a higher off set wheel than a zx strut then this must be a function of hub wheel mounting surface differences, right? Quote Link to comment
Son_of_a_Datsun_Guy Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 300zx rotor has the same offset and bolt pattern as a 280ZX rotor... this is only really helpful though if you're using a bracket to move the caliper since the Z31 had an 11" rotor. Also helpful if you want to run an aftermarket caliper but want a little more beef than the standard 280zx brake. 1 Quote Link to comment
EdwardK Posted January 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 If you decide on s12 200sx struts you will need an adapter for the steering arm, pictures from datsunwizard's old thread: Do you happen to have a link to that thread? Quote Link to comment
thisismatt Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Hey Matt... If the strut to spindle angles are all the same and the S12 strut takes a higher off set wheel than a zx strut then this must be a function of hub wheel mounting surface differences, right? Yeah, the hub has the wms farther away from the strut, very similar to the 300zx hub. Like the picture you posted above, the 300zx and 200sx hub has the wms closer to the outside bearing, instead of that huge bearing volcano on the 280zx hub. 300zx rotor has the same offset and bolt pattern as a 280ZX rotor... this is only really helpful though if you're using a bracket to move the caliper since the Z31 had an 11" rotor. Also helpful if you want to run an aftermarket caliper but want a little more beef than the standard 280zx brake. The 200sx 5 lug strut also has a wider caliper bolt spacing, which is important for running the 4 piston bigger calipers 1 Quote Link to comment
510T Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 Do you happen to have a link to that thread? http://community.ratsun.net/topic/31442-200sx-vg-strut-bump-steer-spacer-now-taking-orders/ It's in the old Classifieds and locked but you can try sending a PM to datsunwizard. 1 Quote Link to comment
hosestop@msn.com Posted January 2, 2014 Report Share Posted January 2, 2014 1985 300zx accept a +20 front rim like stock struts , I believe you must also take from 300 lower balljoint/steer arm from donor car ,300zx is 4" across lower mount and all others are 3 and 1/8 across or a guy in So Cal makes an offset bump steer spacer for this bigger pattern .[url=http://s1183.photobucket.com/user/Alleycatgarage/media/104_2081.jpg.html] Quote Link to comment
Damien4884 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Do you happen to have a link to that thread? I've fitted s12 struts onto my 810, the issues i've had are: Must use a spacer to make up for the difference. Mine were 54mm OD 40mm ID and 15mm thick You get a bit of extra positive camber due to the steering arm bolts being offset to the strut tube: top one is s12 bolt hole is approx 1/4" further out than centre line of strut tube bottom one 810 standard strut bolt hole aligned with centre of strut tube, If you go low you should have enough play to sort that out with adjustable top plates. Quote Link to comment
Icehouse Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 So I was checking out the 300zx struts and noticed everything seems to be exactly the same as a 510/280zx strut except two things. The bolt pattern and the hub is shifted back 1". Which in my mind will make it return to center faster and make it more stable on the freeway. So no one has ever tried a set on their 510? How cool would it be to run 6 degrees of caster but have your wheel centered in the wheel arch. Quote Link to comment
hosestop@msn.com Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 I believe the m30 Infinity is also the same offset 20-25 with removable rotors I have a set and have installed a set of 1984 300zx struts here also and they have same bolt pattern and what does front mounted caliper do ,if anything ,downward force at tire ? You may be able to run +25 front and rear on a 510 ,fit 215s Quote Link to comment
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