Engine Porn (beyond ... saturation)

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[MikeRL411]

10 hours ago, VFR800 said:

 

Ah! the good old days when GM's Chevy, Olds, GMC and Pontiac had different V8 engines.

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[ratpatrol66]

On ‎4‎/‎25‎/‎2020 at 8:56 AM, MikeRL411 said:

 

Ah! the good old days when GM's Chevy, Olds, GMC and Pontiac had different V8 engines.

That's with sarcasm right?

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6 hours ago, ratpatrol66 said:

That's with sarcasm right?

Right, you put a Pontiac sticker on an LS and that makes it a different engine! 🤣

[MikeRL411]

17 minutes ago, goes2fast said:

Right, you put a Pontiac sticker on an LS and that makes it a different engine! 🤣

 

No.  The GM divisions used to have their own engines.  I remember when Oldsmobile switched to Chevy engines but still charged the premium for the "Rocket Engine 88", boy did the s++t hit the fan over that !  EPA regulations made each engine go through pollution control certification so that alone [plus cost cutting] made it GM policy to standardize engines across all divisions.

[datzenmike]

I remember there was a class action law suit. Basically GM could do what it wants. I had a '79 Cutlass. I was a 305 3bbl.

 

Friend's dad in high school had a 63 Pontiac. It was a 283 even back then.

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52 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

I remember there was a class action law suit. Basically GM could do what it wants. I had a '79 Cutlass. I was a 305 3bbl.

 

Friend's dad in high school had a 63 Pontiac. It was a 283 even back then.

In 1963 Poniac had their own engines, 326, 389, and 421 ci. nothing as small as a 283 for a big Poncho back then. before that I think they offered the Buick 215 in the Tempest.

[datzenmike]

Sorry it was a '62 283 turbo fire 185 hp like this but not hardtop... https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/st-johns/for-sale/1497522856

 

 

Description

1962 Pontiac Parisienne, 2-Door Hardtop. Rebuilt 283 cu.in V-8 engine with new Edelbrock 4 BBL carburetor and automatic transmission. Body of car is completely original and rust free, with original paint. For further details please contact John @ 709-727-4619. Price: $14,500.00 Firm.

 

 

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25 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

Sorry it was a '62 283 turbo fire 185 hp like this but not hardtop... https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/st-johns/for-sale/1497522856

 

 

Description

1962 Pontiac Parisienne, 2-Door Hardtop. Rebuilt 283 cu.in V-8 engine with new Edelbrock 4 BBL carburetor and automatic transmission. Body of car is completely original and rust free, with original paint. For further details please contact John @ 709-727-4619. Price: $14,500.00 Firm.

That is a Canadian Pontiac which used Chevrolet engines, totally different animal than a US Pontiac. In the US that would have been a Catalina and would have came with the 389 ci engine rated at 333 hp.

I never quite got why everything in Canada was different, Fords were Mercurys Chevrolets were Pontiacs, WTF?

 

25 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

 

 

Edited April 27, 2020 by goes2fast

[datzenmike]

My next door neighbors first car was a '64 Pontiac and it was a 327. First Pontiac engine I remember was the OHC six and the 326 in the Firebird and the 389 and later 400 in the GTO. We didn't get the Catalina but a kid in the early 70s had one with the 421.

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22 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

My next door neighbors first car was a '64 Pontiac and it was a 327. First Pontiac engine I remember was the OHC six and the 326 in the Firebird and the 389 and later 400 in the GTO. We didn't get the Catalina but a kid in the early 70s had one with the 421.

When I was in high school I had a friend with a 63 Grand Prix with a 389 tri-power and 4 speed, same engine that went in the 64 GTO even in the bigger Grand Prix it was pretty fast!

 

3 hours ago, MikeRL411 said:

 

No.  The GM divisions used to have their own engines.  I remember when Oldsmobile switched to Chevy engines but still charged the premium for the "Rocket Engine 88", boy did the s++t hit the fan over that !  EPA regulations made each engine go through pollution control certification so that alone [plus cost cutting] made it GM policy to standardize engines across all divisions.

I know that but that pic is an LS Chevy with Pontiac stickers!

[MikeRL411]

1 hour ago, datzenmike said:

My next door neighbors first car was a '64 Pontiac and it was a 327. First Pontiac engine I remember was the OHC six and the 326 in the Firebird and the 389 and later 400 in the GTO. We didn't get the Catalina but a kid in the early 70s had one with the 421.

 

I really liked the Pontiac OHC six engine.  It did appear in a limited number of USA Firebirds but lacked follow on support.  I fantasized putting one in an Aluminum Cobra kit car to emulated the original British 6 cylinder Bristol engine [which was a WW2 Enemy spoil BMW design seized by the British crown and sold off] before Carol Shelby got his hands on it.  It would not have had the 3 Weber type carbs lined up down the center of the hood but you can't have everything.

 

It would have been a winner in the 1955 NOMAD wagon also!

[datzenmike]

The neighbor (one with 327 '64 Pawnticket) did borrow a '66 GTO and took me for a ride one night. It was "quick get in if you wanna ride, I have to get this car back" I guess that would have been a 389 and it was automatic. This would have been maybe a year old car, and at night in suburbia. I was scared. By '69 he had a  new 340 Dart Swinger and the next year I had a '70 340.

[ratpatrol66]

On ‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2020 at 7:38 AM, datzenmike said:

I remember there was a class action law suit. Basically GM could do what it wants. I had a '79 Cutlass. I was a 305 3bbl.

 

Friend's dad in high school had a 63 Pontiac. It was a 283 even back then.

Trade tariff BS was screwed up in early 60s between US and Canada. Canadian Pontiacs had Chevy engines because of this. This was the beginning of corporate BS. Olds power in Pontiac, Buick in Olds, Chevy in Buick, and it became only Chevy power after that...

[MikeRL411]

7 hours ago, ratpatrol66 said:

Trade tariff BS was screwed up in early 60s between US and Canada. Canadian Pontiacs had Chevy engines because of this. This was the beginning of corporate BS. Olds power in Pontiac, Buick in Olds, Chevy in Buick, and it became only Chevy power after that...

 

But despite the Chevy engine Olds still charged a premium for "the rocket engine 88."

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7 hours ago, ratpatrol66 said:

Trade tariff BS was screwed up in early 60s between US and Canada. Canadian Pontiacs had Chevy engines because of this. This was the beginning of corporate BS. Olds power in Pontiac, Buick in Olds, Chevy in Buick, and it became only Chevy power after that...

Some Chevys were rebadged as Pontiacs with slightly different trim in the Great White North and if I remember right in the 50s GMC put Pontiac V8s in their pickups.

 

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30 minutes ago, MikeRL411 said:

 

But despite the Chevy engine Olds still charged a premium for "the rocket engine 88."

I found nothing saying they ever called the Chevy V8s a rocket engine, the 88 and 98 were premium models that used various GM engines in later years including a V6 when they went FWD. I remember the 88s and 98s being the big top of the line cars back in the 60s and 70s for people that couldn't afford a Cadillac. The Aurora may have charged a premium for the Northstar based V8 it used but I don't know much about that model other than the reviewers liked it.

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[datzenmike]

6 hours ago, goes2fast said:

I found nothing saying they ever called the Chevy V8s a rocket engine, the 88 and 98 were premium models that used various GM engines in later years including a V6 when they went FWD. I remember the 88s and 98s being the big top of the line cars back in the 60s and 70s for people that couldn't afford a Cadillac. The Aurora may have charged a premium for the Northstar based V8 it used but I don't know much about that model other than the reviewers liked it.

 

I don't think so either by name but they sure didn't announce the chev engine either. I had an '81 or '82 FWD 4.1 Buick V6 Quadrajet engine. Had a front mount distributor so not a chev. The one with the solenoid primaries and the O² sensor just like the Z24 ECC carburetor. I think it was the first year Cadillac ran a 6 cylinder and everyone complained it should have a V8, so Cadillac developed a 4.1 V8.

[MikeRL411]

23 hours ago, goes2fast said:

I found nothing saying they ever called the Chevy V8s a rocket engine, the 88 and 98 were premium models that used various GM engines in later years including a V6 when they went FWD. I remember the 88s and 98s being the big top of the line cars back in the 60s and 70s for people that couldn't afford a Cadillac. The Aurora may have charged a premium for the Northstar based V8 it used but I don't know much about that model other than the reviewers liked it.

 

Advertising jingles for the Oldsmobile used the "The rocket engine 88 it's a driving dream come true" for years after the switch to the corporate Chevy engine.  I don't have to Google this, I heard it !

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Well I did google it and this was their jingle during the Chevy engine era, manybe your memory is a little blurred?