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  1. 1. Aloow him to speak his mind,he has done alot for this place

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He's unhappy with the forum being not to his liking. Classifieds in particular. So anything else in the forum is ammunition used to tear it down. No, I don't have all the answers. The answers I do have don't help much. Adam aside, there are several posts that are thinly veiled swipes at our forum and plenty of members pissed off and willing to jump on simply to bitch about everything. Many with good points but meanwhile we miss a turn and sail off a cliff. What happened to everyone?

 

 

 

I will speak for myself, No I do not like the classifieds.

No I do not like seeing people ready to pounce on others,when it happens to them they whine

 

No I am not bitching, I am making a point.

 

I still havce nothing against anyone here, I make my points,the way that they are taken,is not up to me.

 

 

I still stand by my long winded post earlier today :D

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I guess i was just naive to think Izzo bringing out the heli-cocker,  might help.

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No I do not like seeing people ready to pounce on others,when it happens to them they whine

 

 

:sneaky:

 

I get it :D

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:sneaky:

 

I get it :D

 

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I will speak for myself, No I do not like the classifieds.

No I do not like seeing people ready to pounce on others,when it happens to them they whine

 

No I am not bitching, I am making a point.

 

I still havce nothing against anyone here, I make my points,the way that they are taken,is not up to me.

i completely agree. i have nothing personal against anyone myself, but if you constantly bitch on the internet, you are bound to get bitched at.

 

dont dish out what you can't handle yourself.

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i completely agree. i have nothing personal against anyone myself, but if you constantly bitch on the internet, you are bound to get bitched at.

 

dont dish out what you can't handle yourself.

 

 

For sure.

 

And I know that if I "were" to(I have the last couple days,so some think,but only made a point) I would expect it back

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Reasonable enough? He gave up a while back and wanted his posts deleted because he had issues with the classifieds. Then come back with nuisance posts and generally being a troll. He's contacted management saying if he comes back he will continue the same. Now he's used someone else's or a new account to attack me.... (technically two banning offenses)

 

 

 

eat cox mike???? wtf?

 

Not suicide exactly more Death by cop.

It appears Redbanner is enjoying being a martyr. But it usually doesn't end well for martyrs so if you are going to put yourself on the cross, I hope your cause is worth it. Otherwise it is a big waste.

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No member is perfect, but when the general consensus is "Shit on the members who try to keep things clean" its hard for the moderators to not step in and do whatever they feel is necessary while ignoring all the cries from the members. We had our chance to police ourselves and keep things the way we wanted it. Now they its the way they wanted it. Instead of you guys saying "Hey wrong section" "Hey maybe you should throw some pictures up" etc, the first reply was always "In before Tristin corrects OP." Why didnt you say something? 

 

Its that laziness that made the moderators do what they did. Take some pride in the forum and help police everyone... no need to be a dick about it, but you should be saying something. I was never an asshole about it, but because it was something that some of the members didnt want to do, you MADE it seem like an asshole move. 

 

The moderators dont have to do all the work. They cant read every post, in every thread, by every member... 

 

 

 

Yes, I once partook in the follie of the classifieds. I posted a WTB thread in a FS section. I then corrected it within minutes. I would bet that I have broken none of your proposed "bare minimum" rules in the classifieds section. 

 

The point is, we all had our chance at a easy going classifieds section with minimal outside interaction. We fucked it up and now have to pay the price. I dont want the new classifieds either, but I have to deal with them as well. 

the problem with members policing ourselves in the way you and redeye have mentioned, is the same problem I was saying we had in the original new classifieds thread with more people not speaking up.  I've seen how you police, and I agree that you're not a dick or an ass about it. but inevitably there are the "in before tristin" comments, the fuck offs, the who the fuck are you's, the you're not a mod, don't tell me what to do's, etc.  and to be honest, I think I have more respect for you than anyone else on here (myself included) because you DONT pop back at people for it, you continue to do it despite the bullshit, and you are consistant about it. I honestly believe that if your girlfriend came on here in the old system, and placed a WTB ad in the WTS section with no oics, you'd be on the thread saying "baby, wrong section. and pics help".  I've seen how you get treated here for member policing, and I've heard the shit talked about you when you're not around (i.e. some members at meets, I refuse to name names mainly because I didn't pay close enough attention to their names).  now if everyone that's been here say 3 months or more started doing it, we wouldn't have a problem.  but from what I've been gathering, shit didn't start going south to where members truly needed to police each other until around the time you joined.  if you were the first to start actively doing it, and that was the treatment you got for it, can you see why others wouldn't want to?  personally, I couldn't take the amount of shit you have without eventually going apeshit on someone. I've got a nasty temper that I've spent 20 years trying to control, and for the most part I do a good job at it. but as has already happened once in the course of the classy discussion, I let it get the better of me.  this is also why I said twice that the rules should be consistently enforced, and I think that's being taken that I want them to all be enforced all the time, but that's not what I mean by consistently.  consistently enforced is post tits and post ass.  both are allowed, but there is a line. when that line is crossed, I've seen mike step in several times with this is post-tits, not post-poon, or something of that sort. if you reprimand/vacation one member for telling another they can shut the fuck up and fuck off, the one who told them "you're a fucking dumbass" needs to get the same treatment(a la jrock). another version on the consistency is that, while there are always insta-ban things that can be done, a warning SHOULD be given, and if it persists then ban.  honestly, my big problem with banner being banned wasn't that he was banned.  I can understand why he was, and what he had done to be. it was the timing of it, and the bullshit that happened in between. mike, redeye, i'm hoping that you are both willing to look at this as the constructive criticism that it is, and not as a potshot at you guys.  banning him wouldn't have had the impact its now having had you done it once it became obvious he was just here to troll, which was all of what, 6 posts into him coming back? instead it was allowed, and kept growing, and kept growing, and drew members in to talk shit about him, and have shit talked right back, until it was completely out of hand and pissing the 2 of you off.  yes, he was poking the 2 of you, and instead of saying dude, knock it off or theres gonna be consequences, you poked right back. yes he attacked you, and then you'd poke him again.  its an understandable answer, most of us push when pushed, but you guys have a way to push without coming across as being mean or assholes or whatever. if a random user told me I needed to back off or there'd be consequences, i'd laugh. if the 2 of you, skib, fisch, Thomas, icehouse, any of the mods/admins said that to me, i'd back off.  you guys have ways to stay above others shittyness, and more than the rest of us you need to.  if you don't, then the wisperings of mod abuse of power start, then people start losing respect, then new members go away because others have lost respect(we've seen hints of the first, I haven't seen signs of the other 2 yet, and i'm hoping they don't happen.)  you guys are the face of ratsun, and the face needs to stay clean.  I don't go to the realm because of numerous reports that their mods are assholes, and there are many that say they wont go back there because of this.  I don't go back to hybridz because both the mods and members are elitist, and assholes about people that aren't. that's not the sort of reputation we want, and its not the people I've seen you guys to be outside of this ordeal.

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the problem with members policing ourselves in the way you and redeye have mentioned, is the same problem I was saying we had in the original new classifieds thread with more people not speaking up.  I've seen how you police, and I agree that you're not a dick or an ass about it. but inevitably there are the "in before tristin" comments, the fuck offs, the who the fuck are you's, the you're not a mod, don't tell me what to do's, etc.  and to be honest, I think I have more respect for you than anyone else on here (myself included) because you DONT pop back at people for it, you continue to do it despite the bullshit, and you are consistant about it. I honestly believe that if your girlfriend came on here in the old system, and placed a WTB ad in the WTS section with no oics, you'd be on the thread saying "baby, wrong section. and pics help".  I've seen how you get treated here for member policing, and I've heard the shit talked about you when you're not around (i.e. some members at meets, I refuse to name names mainly because I didn't pay close enough attention to their names).  now if everyone that's been here say 3 months or more started doing it, we wouldn't have a problem.  but from what I've been gathering, shit didn't start going south to where members truly needed to police each other until around the time you joined.  if you were the first to start actively doing it, and that was the treatment you got for it, can you see why others wouldn't want to?  personally, I couldn't take the amount of shit you have without eventually going apeshit on someone. I've got a nasty temper that I've spent 20 years trying to control, and for the most part I do a good job at it. but as has already happened once in the course of the classy discussion, I let it get the better of me.  this is also why I said twice that the rules should be consistently enforced, and I think that's being taken that I want them to all be enforced all the time, but that's not what I mean by consistently.  consistently enforced is post tits and post ass.  both are allowed, but there is a line. when that line is crossed, I've seen mike step in several times with this is post-tits, not post-poon, or something of that sort. if you reprimand/vacation one member for telling another they can shut the fuck up and fuck off, the one who told them "you're a fucking dumbass" needs to get the same treatment(a la jrock). another version on the consistency is that, while there are always insta-ban things that can be done, a warning SHOULD be given, and if it persists then ban.  honestly, my big problem with banner being banned wasn't that he was banned.  I can understand why he was, and what he had done to be. it was the timing of it, and the bullshit that happened in between. mike, redeye, i'm hoping that you are both willing to look at this as the constructive criticism that it is, and not as a potshot at you guys.  banning him wouldn't have had the impact its now having had you done it once it became obvious he was just here to troll, which was all of what, 6 posts into him coming back? instead it was allowed, and kept growing, and kept growing, and drew members in to talk shit about him, and have shit talked right back, until it was completely out of hand and pissing the 2 of you off.  yes, he was poking the 2 of you, and instead of saying dude, knock it off or theres gonna be consequences, you poked right back. yes he attacked you, and then you'd poke him again.  its an understandable answer, most of us push when pushed, but you guys have a way to push without coming across as being mean or assholes or whatever. if a random user told me I needed to back off or there'd be consequences, i'd laugh. if the 2 of you, skib, fisch, Thomas, icehouse, any of the mods/admins said that to me, i'd back off.  you guys have ways to stay above others shittyness, and more than the rest of us you need to.  if you don't, then the wisperings of mod abuse of power start, then people start losing respect, then new members go away because others have lost respect(we've seen hints of the first, I haven't seen signs of the other 2 yet, and i'm hoping they don't happen.)  you guys are the face of ratsun, and the face needs to stay clean.  I don't go to the realm because of numerous reports that their mods are assholes, and there are many that say they wont go back there because of this.  I don't go back to hybridz because both the mods and members are elitist, and assholes about people that aren't. that's not the sort of reputation we want, and its not the people I've seen you guys to be outside of this ordeal.

Nicely stated. I can' help but feel bad as I use to be a consistent moderator of the classifieds. I would PM people and tell them to chill out. And generally when I did, they did. Anyway life gets in the way and I haven't been around as much to do this. So I personally feel some responsibility for things getting out of hand there. But there was talk of this sort of change even when I was contributing more, even before it got as bad as it apparently did.

 

Again this was not an arbitrary decision. 

 

Man I am sure I am not the only mod who has wanted to lock this thread pages ago, I almost did twice today, but we let it persist because you guys do have a voice. If anyone thinks this thread would have gone on for 16 pages in most other forums, you don't get out enough. 

 

Point is we care what you guys think. especially when it is put as well as you just did Devilsbullet.

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You posting that diatribe in the free Banner thread is kinda iroinic ( is that the term?)

Banners posts ,, i couldn`t qoute directly cuz the threads were locked but i can assure you they are exact qoutes

RED:
I think it means... anything. In general.... as long as Tristan approves.
Hope that clears it up for you. But im going to have to ask you to have at least 1000 post before you ask any more questions.

Tristin:
If youre going to talk crap, you could at least spell my name correctly. Its only shown on every post you seem to disagree with... hell twice even.

RED
I spell your name different all the time, lol, dont tell me you hadnt noticed.
And im not talking crap, proof is in the pudding sweety.

Tristin
Wheres the proof that I try to close threads in the General Discussion section?


Red
The pudding is full of you telling people when what and where to post. Wich is the proof I speak of. Need quotes? There about 10percent of your total post count so it really wouldnt be much hassle if you do.

 

 

 

Soooooo your ok with with

 

1. Red being tired of Tristins policing?? ( of which he seems to blame the changing of classifided on)

or 

2.  are you ok with Tristins policing ??  ( which by the way he mentions in the above posts,, and many, many more)

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Soooooo your ok with with

 

1. Red being tired of Tristins policing?? ( of which he seems to blame the changing of classifided on)

or 

2.  are you ok with Tristins policing ??  ( which by the way he mentions in the above posts,, and many, many more)

 

 

I sure am tired of the policing( Tristin words)

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So instead of starting another shit thread(some members opinions)

I will keep it to this shit thread. :angel:

 

 

 

So this is my take for this place right now(and yes I do miss pre 2011 ratsun,when there was little of what is happening now)

about then it started to spiral,and is continuing to do so and it is such a shame.

 

 

I have re-read the other threads(new classifieds),and more

I have come to the conclusion(and yes it is my opinion,and I know that opinions are like assholes and everybody has one :ninja: )

 

 

 

These rules do not exsist as they should, if they do they seem to be self serving(again my opinion),they are brought up time to time.And for what reason ?

To keep it a level playing field,But it isnt anymore,Yes it used to be and then it was great.

 

 

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I want to say this aswell

 

 

 

There are several members here that thrive on being vendictive towards people be it new or old members(no I am not naming names)

They lurk,and pounce on a unsuspecting poster like vultures,belittling them.(no I havent named names nor will I)

 

There is one bobble head,that just is that,doesnt know what side of the fence to be on..

 

There are plenty of remarks lashed at people(all to often)in all threads

 

Am I whining no not at all, stating something that needs to be said.

 

Am I being a shit disturber,No this is not my intention at all, but to shed light on something that has gone on for, far to long.

 

I know the vultures will pounce on this post(feel free too,its what you like to do)

 

 

Yes I know, if I dont like it here leave(read this all to often here now) Will I,That is my decsision.(please dont make my mind up for me)

 

Ratsun used to be just like a garage for sure, was fun, I always made the best of it when things slid down,tried to bring lighter moods when people were getting all pissed off.

 

Now it has become a flame/pounce vulture kind of place, And I know this is not the intentions that made Ratsun originally form as a community

 

 

Pretty sure in this thread, That I have not breached the "rules",  But if I have , you can make decsisions regarding that matter

I respect the mods,and if they feel that is called for then do so

 

 

This is all I can say...

 

And being told I dont get it,come on..

I have been here for how long..Have I spoke up like this ever..

This was from the heart, caring about what happens here.

Not trying to be something I am not

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  honestly, my big problem with banner being banned wasn't that he was banned.  I can understand why he was, and what he had done to be. it was the timing of it, and the bullshit that happened in between.

i'm perfectly fine with tristins policing.  I like banner, he's a badass guy. but using your scenario above, if he had been(hypothetically, as has been stated mods cant be everywhere at all times, just using as an example) warned by mike, redeye, skib, etc to knock it off between his first post and tristans reply, I bet Tristin wouldn't have responded or it woulda been something like a ^^what he said post. and if banner had continued, I wouldn't have had a single issue with him taking a vacation for it.  my other 2 points with it are that tristin takes a lot of shit for the policing he does that he shouldn't have to take, and that said shit is what stops me, and while I cant speak for them i'm sure others feel the same, from doing it. like I've said before, why put yourself in a position that people are instantly gonna shit on you, especially when in my case I know I have a temper that likes to flare at the wrong times.

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Thanks Lou!

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Thanks Lou!

 

 

Anytime Jacob

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How do you wait out infanite ban? Was he informed how.long he would be banned? Seems unreasonable.

 

 

 

You wait until you are no longer pissed and then PM a mod. FYI he was never banned. He was allowed to PM and post in the classifieds, the most lenient ban in the history of ratsun and he fucked it up all by himself.

 

 

I'm off to hang with my family and enjoy myself...L8

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 the most lenient ban in the history of ratsun and he fucked it up all by himself.

 

 

 

Was it provoked,by other members(not mods)

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I think I have a solution.

 

Ban everyone :rofl:

 

then no need for policing

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Well Tristin, You have something to say about everything.

 

Lets hear it.

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no baiting lou...if he wants to say something he will, if he doesn't he wont. 

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no baiting lou...if he wants to say something he will, if he doesn't he wont. 

 

Not baiting,asking what he has to say

 

He does voice it quite alot.

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I think I have a solution.

 

Ban everyone :rofl:

 

then no need for policing

 

 

 

Serious post is serious.

 

 

Stop baiting and stop trolling and ratsun goes back the way it was. Otherwise you are asking for the most nazi mutherfucking forum on the internet. I can provide if you seek.

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Serious post is serious.

 

 

Stop baiting and stop trolling and ratsun goes back the way it was. Otherwise you are asking for the most nazi mutherfucking forum on the internet. 

 

 

Hey, I have no problem saying what I feel about what I see.

 

I know,as others do,who instigates/provokes/tries to outwit/tries to be something.

 

And I have no problem with you Steve.

So please try and not to have a problem with me.

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I just read through page 14 and unless i see boobs I am not reading this thread any more 

I love Ratsun but not all this shit 

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