Turbojovi Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Anybody done this yet? Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 You mean put an old-fashioned two-valve engine in a 510? Yes, it's been done. But we prefer modern four-valve turbo engines like the SR20DET or KA-T. Quote Link to comment
Skib Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Ford 2.3L turbo - 145 hp KA24e - 140 hp KA24de - 155 hp CA18det - 167 hpSR20de - 169 hp SR20det - 202 hp so why would you want the Ford 2.3? Quote Link to comment
Turbojovi Posted January 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Its cheaper overall to build one compare to this jap motors Quote Link to comment
Kisor Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Its cheaper overall to build one compare to this jap motors I agree. There is no reason to dog the Ford 2.3, dollar for dollar it is far more capable than most of the others Skib listed. Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Yes, the ford turbo motor is good. No denying that. But also do not deny the goodness of the modern 16-valve engines. The 2.3 is far more capable than none of the ones Skib listed. Sure they cost more to build. So does a Skyline cost more to build than a 510. All have a place. Quote Link to comment
racerx Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 don't take it personal..it's just you have some serious Datsun die hards here. Some even even don't like the idea of installing a new school Nissan engine on thier 510 (KA or SR), some prefer the L series Datsun - ole skool..so you can imagine installing a 2.3 Ford engine into a 510. In the end, it's your choice and your money. Quote Link to comment
converted_to_datsun Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Ford? Just build a good L motor... That 2.3 will limit the people interested in buying it if you ever decide to sell. Looking through Craigslist ads I always skip ford or Chevy swaps Quote Link to comment
Turbojovi Posted January 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 L motors hard to find performance parts even a turbo manifold..... There is several websites for the 2.3 with performance parts even to build a l motor is kind of dumb they got the intake and exhaust mani on the same side Quote Link to comment
merlin Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Sell me your Datsun and buy a Maverick, problem solved... oh wait you want the 510 because its cool and the Maverick is not... buy a mustang then,,, cool and Ford engined. You can buy a KA for 4 or 5 hundred and lots of turbo kits are available off the shelf and its an evolution of the L motor with a good head. there's lots of Fords to fuck up, stop fucking up Datsuns. Quote Link to comment
converted_to_datsun Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Yea the manifolds on the same side are different but it's still easy to work on. I guess at least you're not planning on putting a stock ford motor in there.... But for the cheapness and convenience of building it you still have cost for stuff to make the engine fit and most of it will have to be custom made to fit. The L motor would bolt right in and the other Nissan motors swaps are very well documented... And I'm not so sure you'll find much if any info on a ford swap. Probably need a custom drive shaft made as well Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Let's see, a CA18DET can make 300 HP without opening up the long block. >Ford 2.3, dollar for dollar it is far more capable than most of the others Skib listed. What does the 2.3 ford do with only bolt on parts (without removing the cylinder head)? Quote Link to comment
Turbojovi Posted January 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Probably same as any turbo motor Throw on some injectors Bigger turbo Gutted intake Up the boost make power Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Well lets see you do it. I'll call your bluff. Quote Link to comment
Turbojovi Posted January 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Nobody said i was personally going to do it. Im keeping my options open. The question was has anybody done a 2.3l swap into a 510 Quote Link to comment
racerx Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Put it this way anything is possible..people even put Ford V-8 or Chevy V-8 and I've even seen V-6s on our Datsuns. I guess what I am saying and I've tried to say it is you are asking the wrong people here. They are biased plain and simple. Nothing against them or you. It's like asking a Ford guy if anyone ever installed a Dodge engine in their Fastback. I could see where this thread is going since I use to own a 75 Celica and as in Datsuns they are Toyota dies hards too. Then on their forums you have people asking about installing a non-Toyota engine in their Celicas and all hell breaks lose. It seems like you are asking for suggestions or inputs but like I said this is more than likely the wrong site to do that. It is the way it is. Here is a suggestion do a price list, get the specs and see if its worth it and go from there. Just do it! Quote Link to comment
merlin Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 yup lots of 2.3 swaps here... you bore out a Z22 block, use KA pistons and a better flowing L head ... I'm going to get Mike yarn to do another run of L turbo manifolds just to end this debate. Quote Link to comment
I'm BLUE Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Stock 2.3 5spd turbo-coupes = 190hp Stock 2.3 Auto turbo-coupe = 150hp. My old 2.3 ranger had more torque than horsepower They are torquey little fuckers if you haven't driven one (and driven a KA as well) German design. Shitloads of aftermarket parts. All cast iron (yes yes more weight). If you're going to do it I would simply advise to be as least intrusive as possible :) If not acheivable than go for the nissan stuff we all know and love ! If you can do it ... Run a complete separate harness and when it comes time to sell just put it all back stock (duh common sense right ? Sorry had to qualify it lol) A local PIR instructor has one in his personal race car. In fact prefers it. BUT he is an older gentlemen with different ideas of what is what and a shitload I mean SHITLOAD of aftermarket parts have been made for them for years. They were used for dune buggy engines as well. He probably doesn't really know much about the Nissan stuff or care for it. Why ? Because oldschool likely. Anytime we can get our hands on a 3 or 4 valves a head technology...and a lighter engine... That stays matched brand to the car and a higher resale value to a larger group demographic ... it's a hard opportunity to pass up. I'd get a steel oil pan if possible .. So you can cut and weld if need be. The aluminum one may fit. The harness should be fairly simple to figure out and eliminate retarded safety features that were incorporates (if you know what I'm saying..) My grandfather drove and religiously maintained a stock 2wd hardbody KA24e. Changed oil and filter with full synthetic. The last time he drove my old stock 2.3 ranger (many years ago) he said these words now and again "why can't my truck have this torque ?" :rofl: . His truck is/was and always will be the better of the 2. Numbers and realworld experience don't always add up the way we think they should. My only complaint about the KA is kids snatch them up , blow them up , before the rest of us have an opportunity to look lol. DRIVEN has a newer chevy 4cyl NA in his wagon everyone seems to like. Safe bet is NISSAN. For any number of reasons. Good luck Quote Link to comment
its_karl Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Ford 2.3L turbo - 145 hp KA24e - 140 hp KA24de - 155 hp CA18det - 167 hp SR20de - 169 hp SR20det - 202 hp so why would you want the Ford 2.3? Only 1 of these engines was around in 1984, use the 1987+ numbers (and don't use the detuned version). Quote Link to comment
its_karl Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Its cheaper overall to build one compare to this jap motors It is cheaper to build, but they're right - do it to a Maverick or a Pinto, or hell even a Courier. Swap in a KA - then add a turbo, then you haven't bastardized vintage Japanese tin. Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Nothing wrong with a Ford 2.3 Turbo in a 510. Just please don't say it will make more power than a Nissan engine. Datsun Roadster 10-second Datsun - Power By Ford Quote Link to comment
Turbojovi Posted January 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 It wont make the same power or more with less money i think so Quote Link to comment
DRIVEN Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 I don't hate the idea of a Ford 2.3 at all. Not sure if it's a great fit though. They are a pretty tall engine and have a rear sump so you'd have to get creative around the steering. Kind of heavy too. I was looking at it and the Volvo B23/B230 turbo as possible options. The Volvo was a little easier fit and had just as much power potential. I didn't really like the transmission options with the Ford either. Quote Link to comment
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