Dav Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 Not a 510 (vent windows), what is it? 4 Quote Link to comment
john510 Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 Ford Cortina ? 2 Quote Link to comment
Dav Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) Yes - A likely suspect, but maybe called the Cortina Perana in SA. Edited October 17, 2021 by Dav 2 Quote Link to comment
angliagt Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 Weren't those also called "440s"? Quote Link to comment
flyerdan Posted October 17, 2021 Report Share Posted October 17, 2021 I saw the P-40 car in the top banner on River Road in Keizer the other day. 1 Quote Link to comment
paradime Posted October 18, 2021 Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) I've always been fascinated by the sport compact sedan design similarities between the Cortina, Lada, Fiat 124, BMW 2002/E21 - E 30, and of course the 510. Although it's said that Pininfarina is the river that runs through this classic 3 box design, out of all these European cars, none came from the Pinin studio. In fact, only the Prince/Nissan/Datsun 410 and 510 were designed with Pininfarina's help. I always bristle when some ignorant schnook calls 510s the poor man's BMW. You'll note that the 510 (with semi tracing arm IRS) stomped the (solid live rear axle) BMW 2002, and beat Europe in the 2.4 TranAm manufacturers championship 2 years running in 71' and 72'. BMW worked for 4 years, then introduced the e21 320i. Notice Bavaria took the 510's four headlight grill and made it their iconic trademark look. They copied the 510's IRS as well. Also notable was the "refreshed" 75' 2002 that dropped the pouty round tail lights for a more aggressive rectangular lens, much like the 510's So in all reality, the BMW was actually the slower man's 510. in 1982, my L20 510 auto-X car slapped the sauerkraut out of the all new 320i. Nuff said. . Edited October 18, 2021 by paradime 4 Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted October 18, 2021 Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, paradime said: I always bristle when some ignorant schnook calls 510s the poor man's BMW. You'll note that the 510 (with semi tracing arm IRS) stomped the (solid live rear axle) BMW 2002... BMW worked for 4 years, then introduced the e21 320i. They copied the 510's IRS as well. So in all reality, the BMW was actually the slower man's 510. Just one minor correction, the 1600/2002 was IRS, not a live axle. BMW used it before the 510 (starting in 1966). And it's basically the exact same semi-trailing arm design as a 510. I have no notion of who copied whom, but BMW definitely made it to market first. In truth, back in the early 70s the real "poor man's BMW" was the BMW 2002. 😄 And with the insane prices of 510s lately, it may very well be turning into the "rich man's BMW 2002"... Edited October 18, 2021 by datsunfreak 3 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted October 18, 2021 Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 17 minutes ago, datsunfreak said: I have no notion of who copied whom, but BMW definitely made it to market first. Well they say that imitation, is the sincerest form flattery.... Nissan also 'copied' the Mercedes valve train too. The Mercedes master link for joining timing chain ends fits the Nissan timing chain and I think the rocker arm on cam features are the same also. 3 1 Quote Link to comment
Dav Posted October 18, 2021 Report Share Posted October 18, 2021 21 hours ago, angliagt said: Weren't those also called "440s"? I have no idea, I don’t speak SA. Someone else help. Quote Link to comment
paradime Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 13 hours ago, datsunfreak said: Just one minor correction, the 1600/2002 was IRS, not a live axle. BMW used it before the 510 (starting in 1966). And it's basically the exact same semi-trailing arm design as a 510. I have no notion of who copied whom, but BMW definitely made it to market first. In truth, back in the early 70s the real "poor man's BMW" was the BMW 2002. 😄 And with the insane prices of 510s lately, it may very well be turning into the "rich man's BMW 2002"... Damn, it was the TransAm Volvo 122S that had the solid axle! OK from now on I'll edit that part from my Fuck BMW tantrums, but my SR20 510 is faster then my brother's M5, 🤨 so still Fuck BMW. 😏 2 3 Quote Link to comment
iceman510 Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 On 10/18/2021 at 9:53 AM, datzenmike said: Nissan also 'copied' the Mercedes valve train too. The Mercedes master link for joining timing chain ends fits the Nissan timing chain and I think the rocker arm on cam features are the same also. It was Prince (who Nissan later bought/absorbed) did the design work on the L series engines. 'Tis true that they used Mercedes design as the basis. On 10/17/2021 at 11:38 PM, paradime said: I've always been fascinated by the sport compact sedan design similarities between the Cortina, Lada, Fiat 124, BMW 2002/E21 - E 30, and of course the 510. Although it's said that Pininfarina is the river that runs through this classic 3 box design, out of all these European cars, none came from the Pinin studio. In fact, only the Prince/Nissan/Datsun 410 and 510 were designed with Pininfarina's help. Current story line is that Pininfarina did not due any design work on the 510, though they did on the 410/411. 510 was done in-house. Referencing this link, though I won't personally vouch that everything they say is accurate either. https://www.motortrend.com/vehicle-genres/c12-0606-1973-datsun-510/ This one is decent as well. https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2017/09/25/datsuns-510-a-sport-sedan-for-the-common-man-marks-its-golden-anniversary 2 Quote Link to comment
MikeRL411 Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 The 510 did replicate one of the Pinin Farina design defects. They form the roof drip rail as part of the body and then spotweld the roof sheet metal into the rail thus leaving a full length open seam right in the rain gutter. No amount of body seam goop will last the lifetime of a car. Pioneered on the 410 and 411. Ask me how I know. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Chopper Jim Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 MikeRL411, How do you know? Oh. That was a rhetorical question. ☺️ Chopper Jim 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Dav Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 What’d she buy? Quote Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 On 4/7/2008 at 8:05 PM, phatdave said: I would like to see a thread here for SIGHTINGS.... you know when you see a car or truck out and about and are curious who it was. Reason being I saw two Dimes pulled over on I5 S.B. this afternoon and wondered who it was. Rather than use space on another thread, I thought a separate one just for that purpose would be handy!? Anybody? I would do a poll but don't know how to do it. dd:fu: You're welcome . Quote Link to comment
paradime Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) On 10/27/2021 at 10:53 AM, bananahamuck said: You're welcome Exploring common mistaken sightings has validity, no? Working under the 510 when a "Beamer guy" gave a complement on our nice 2002 😱. This shit happens, Edited October 29, 2021 by paradime 1 Quote Link to comment
carterb Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 Spotted in Mukilteo/Lynnwood, WA area by Jeff's brother. Looks to be a Mexican-spec 510 Would love to see it in person and take in all the differences. Note '68 style rear bumper, no rear side markers, '71 (ish) bluebird tail lights, etc. --carter 6 Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 3 hours ago, carterb said: Spotted in Mukilteo/Lynnwood, WA area by Jeff's brother. Looks to be a Mexican-spec 510 Would love to see it in person and take in all the differences. Note '68 style rear bumper, no rear side markers, '71 (ish) bluebird tail lights, etc. --carter The really weird part is live axle rear end and flat floor like a wagon... 😁 2 Quote Link to comment
Dguy210 Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 6 hours ago, datsunfreak said: The really weird part is live axle rear end and flat floor like a wagon... 😁 I think these are also J engines too. I've seen one at a few shows a while back. 2 Quote Link to comment
carterb Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) Literally about an hour after posting that, one of my Datsun buddies Binh texts me - "Friend has a Mexican 510" "needs parts" I sent him the picture I posted here, "This one?" : ) "Yes" "Haha" So today I rounded up a bunch of parts and invited Thomas (the owner) over and gave him the parts and checked out the car. On the outside - it is basically a 1971 Bluebird (same grill, taillights, bumpers, windshield trim (!) front markers, etc. But J15 motor up front and wagon rear axle and gas tank in back. This car had front disks but according to the build sheet, it was an option (drums standard). Dash looks like a US car. This car was re-painted and re-upholstered but Thomas claims - to his knowledge - this matches the factory upholstery. My '71 bluebird is the left. I showed him the metal trim on my tail light lenses and asked if the Mexican cars had that from the factory. He wasn't sure but did say his lenses were reproductions - which I have seen available on e-bay from "kentigo" . https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_ssn=kentigo&_armrs=1&_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=datsun+510&_sop=10 I had no idea the Mexican 510's had '71 bluebird grills. Not sure if the "euro" markerlights were factory but I suspect they were. Datsun 1500 denoting the J15 motor displacement Such a tiny little motor - and apparently this is a J18 Thomas said they upgraded to. ??? Look how the radiator is spaced back to be closer to the engine fan. Lots of wiring harness differences to account for the ignition on the right hand side. I was trying to figure out if the wiper motor is different. Motor looks smaller - might just be because it's black. Notice fuel comes up from the left instead of the right. This is the upholstery I mentioned. Note that the seat belts appear to be connected to the seats?! They were also selected as an option on the build sheet. 4spd shift knob but this one's been upgraded to a 5spd. Don't be fooled by the lack of door/window handles. Those were some of the parts I gave him from his list. He just didn't have any when they did the upholstery. Here you can see the wagon gas tank, spare tire nest, and the solid rear axle. Same as the wagon too? I only see two leafs on the spring pack and the axle plates are just flat steel and only on one side. Very different from ours. Can't quite see how the shock mounts. Full length frame rails - unlike our sedans. '68 510 steering wheel. Stock or changed at some point in time? Note there are no heater controls! Left side ignition and "hazard switch delete" : ) Safe to assume the pop rivets are not stock. : ) NL510 chassis plate Weird filler strip under the grill. Is that stock? So happy to have finally seen one of these in person. Nice to meet you Thomas! Edited November 1, 2021 by carterb 6 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 Definitely NOT a 510 wagon rear axle. This is a Salisbury type with the bolt on rear cover. The 510 wagon what an H-190 with a bolt in removable third member. The later 720 started using this style differential in the 4x4 (C-200) This one will be much smaller for a J15 but I can't find anything like it. 1 Quote Link to comment
Tedman Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 Wow, that's quite a coincidence! Here's a Mexican 510 sedan that showed up a at a local show. Owner said it has an L-series, but I never saw under hood. One thing I found interesting was the front bumper had these little amber lamps installed, and empty holes in the ends. Perhaps they were a taxicab thing, or remnant holes for the Mexican version of the AMCO over-riders? Owner said the car came with the lamps, but I'm not certain we were communicating 100%. 2 Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 18 hours ago, carterb said: Here you can see the wagon gas tank, spare tire nest, and the solid rear axle. Same as the wagon too? I only see two leafs on the spring pack and the axle plates are just flat steel and only on one side. Very different from ours. Can't quite see how the shock mounts. Shock mounts to a tab on the front edge of the plate. Same design as a US-spec wagon, just different manufacturer. Not sure what you mean by "one side" since almost all live axles only have them on either top or bottom? 1 Quote Link to comment
carterb Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, datsunfreak said: Shock mounts to a tab on the front edge of the plate. Same design as a US-spec wagon, just different manufacturer. Not sure what you mean by "one side" since almost all live axles only have them on either top or bottom? Sorry, top side/bottom side. I only see them on the bottom. I'm used to a plate on top of the spring pack and a plate on the bottom of the spring pack. And see how the bottom plate has flanges for stiffness? I don't see that on the mexi-plate. Edited November 2, 2021 by carterb 1 Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 6 hours ago, carterb said: I'm used to a plate on top of the spring pack and a plate on the bottom of the spring pack. And see how the bottom plate has flanges for stiffness? I don't see that on the mexi-plate. Now I get you. Sort of wondering if somewhere along the way someone replaced those lower plates with something home built? I've been under a few different Mexican 510s, but it was about 20 years ago... 😄 1 Quote Link to comment
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