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Anyone know offhand how many leaf springs in the factory packs? It's a '70 521, if that helps.

I think the PO removed one or two. Rides a little soft... which might be ok normally, but when I actually use the truck, I worry about the ass-end bottoming out. :blink:

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If it helps... the 521, 620 and the 2 & 4 wd 720 rear springs are the same length 1,200mm or 47.25" for the Americans in the house. Measure the 521... bet they are the same.

 

If it has the thick almost flat helper spring it will never bottom out.

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Not exactly sure, but I think it was a three leaf plus overload pack... so the main spring, two middle ones, and the flat one on the bottom.

 

Hey Mike, any idea on the relative height and stiffness of these packs? Assuming they're all the same length (and width), would installing a 4x4 720 leaf pack on a 521 result in a lift in the rear, or would a 521 leaf pack on a 620 offer a softer ride?

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I can only compare a '78 with an '84 2 or 4 WD

 

'78 620

Standard

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.28" Thick... Qty two

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.51" Thick... Qty one

 

Free camber..... 6.34"

Laden camber... -0.28" @ 308 lbs

 

'84 720 USA

Standard

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.28" Thick... Qty two

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.51" Thick... Qty one

Free camber...... 6.34"

Laden camber.... -.28" @ 992 lbs

 

Optional

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.28" Thick... Qty one

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.31" Thick... Qty one

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.47" Thick... Qty two

Free camber....... 5.20"

Laden camber..... 0.20 @ 1,036 lbs

 

4WD

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.28" Thick... Qty one

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.31" Thick... Qty one

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.47" Thick... Qty one

Free camber........ 3.685"

Laden camber...... -1.22" 1,021 lbs

 

Heavy Duty

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.31" Thick... Qty two

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.55" Thick... Qty two

Free camber......... 4.51"

Laden camber....... -.295" @ 1,532 lbs

 

Does this make any sense?????

 

I think Doug will tell you that the 520 or 521s had really stiff springs. My theory was they used the same ones that were used on the UK ones (one ton I think) and just rated them lower (on paper) for North Am. I loaded over 1,500 lbs in my old 521 and pushed the rims almost through the tires but sat not too bad and drove fine, slow on gravel road back to farm.

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Mike, that does make sense, thanks for the info. Now I just have to actually figure out how much of a difference it all makes. Strange how the '78 and the standard '84 seem to have identical spring measurments, yet the '78 is fully laden at 308 lbs, and the '84 is fully laden at 992 lbs... are you sure the numbers for the '78 are correct?

 

By the looks of it you could do a fair bit of modification just by swapping the leaf packs... if you swapped out a set of soft leaf springs with a set of firmer ones with a couple leafs removed, would you be able to drop the truck but still keep the suspension firm, or would you have to do it the other way around? As in, soft springs in place of firm ones.

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Those are interesting, but I don't want to add height, just was feeling a little insecure about the capacity :blink:

If the others will take a thousand lbs, I'm feeling at least a little better. I counted four leaf springs and the flat bar, so that's cool.

Maybe one of the many coil "helper" springs will be in order someday, like when we move or something, but it should be ok for now.

 

Thanks for the responses guys.

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I can only compare a '78 with an '84 2 or 4 WD

 

'78 620

Standard

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.28" Thick... Qty two

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.51" Thick... Qty one

 

Free camber..... 6.34"

Laden camber... -0.28" @ 992 lbs NOTE THIS HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!!!

 

'84 720 USA

Standard

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.28" Thick... Qty two

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.51" Thick... Qty one

Free camber...... 6.34"

Laden camber.... -.28" @ 992 lbs

 

Optional

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.28" Thick... Qty one

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.31" Thick... Qty one

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.47" Thick... Qty two

Free camber....... 5.20"

Laden camber..... 0.20 @ 1,036 lbs

 

4WD

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.28" Thick... Qty one

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.31" Thick... Qty one

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.47" Thick... Qty one

Free camber........ 3.685"

Laden camber...... -1.22" 1,021 lbs

 

Heavy Duty

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.31" Thick... Qty two

47.25"L X 2.36"W X 0.55" Thick... Qty two

Free camber......... 4.51"

Laden camber....... -.295" @ 1,532 lbs

 

Does this make any sense?????

 

I think Doug will tell you that the 520 or 521s had really stiff springs. My theory was they used the same ones that were used on the UK ones (one ton I think) and just rated them lower (on paper) for North Am. I loaded over 1,500 lbs in my old 521 and pushed the rims almost through the tires but sat not too bad and drove fine, slow on gravel road back to farm.

 

Thanks POPE I corrected it. I had some spring rate number from the line below. The '78 and '84 are the same. :o

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