rockstar 620 Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 so while i was working on my 620 i noticed that the gap between the frame and the tires was bigger on the drivers side and the passenger side rear tires seems to be cockd like if it was toed in... does enyone know why is this?? or is this normal?? Quote Link to comment
NOTES... Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 so while i was working on my 620 i noticed that the gap between the frame and the tires was bigger on the drivers side and the passenger side rear tires seems to be cockd like if it was toed in... does enyone know why is this?? or is this normal?? Is it lowered? Has strait axle in rear right? if so when its lowered it moved to the side... Happened on my friend's Volvo 1 Quote Link to comment
RadioRedline Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 IS THE DIFFERENTIAL SITTING NEAR OR BESIDE THE SAN ANDREAS FAULT!? Radio 1 Quote Link to comment
RadioRedline Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 NO NO Wait! I see the problem. Your Diff its Croocked Radio Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 so while i was working on my 620 i noticed that the gap between the frame and the tires was bigger on the drivers side and the passenger side rear tires seems to be cockd like if it was toed in... does enyone know why is this?? or is this normal?? Better post some pictures of it. Having a hard time wrapping my head around it. Have you removed any leaves from the spring pack? Have you had the springs out? Do you have lowering blocks? Quote Link to comment
rockstar 620 Posted September 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 yes it has 2 inch blocks and sum leafs removed.. i thought they only moved to one side when they where 4 link and had a parnhard bar?? Quote Link to comment
rockstar 620 Posted September 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Better post some pictures of it. Having a hard time wrapping my head around it. Have you removed any leaves from the spring pack? Have you had the springs out? Do you have lowering blocks? not sure if the springs have been out... the blocks and removing leafs was done by previous owner Quote Link to comment
Sealik Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Hmmmm...quite a few neg rep points being tossed around :lol: Is the diff 90 degrees to the frame...'or better yet'...is each side of the the diff centered on the springs? Dog tracking....??? Quote Link to comment
Laecaon Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 I think he means this: the right tire is farther from the frame than the left, and the right tire has toe in. I made my picture a bit exaggerated. Quote Link to comment
rockstar 620 Posted September 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 pass side from rear view drivers side gap pass side gap Quote Link to comment
rockstar 620 Posted September 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 and this is what i got for springs in back, forgot to mention this is a 720 frame Quote Link to comment
Sealik Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 I think he means this: the right tire is farther from the frame than the left, and the right tire has toe in. I made my picture a bit exaggerated. Correct....usually there is a 'pin/bolt' that locates/centers the diff....long gone from the leaf 'upgrade'...?... Quote Link to comment
rockstar 620 Posted September 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 I think he means this: the right tire is farther from the frame than the left, and the right tire has toe in. I made my picture a bit exaggerated. perfect pic but the bottom of the pic is the front of the truck..so the other way around on what u said !! perfect example tho. Quote Link to comment
rockstar 620 Posted September 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Correct....usually there is a 'pin/bolt' that locates/centers the diff....long gone from the leaf 'upgrade'...?... i dont think the leaves have been upgraded Quote Link to comment
Sealik Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 i dont think the leaves have been upgraded Didn't know....that's why I 'said'.....'upgrade'.... :D Which doesn't actually mean to upgrade..... :) Quote Link to comment
rockstar 620 Posted September 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 would the best thing to do is remove u bolts n see whats going on ?? Quote Link to comment
yello620 Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 From your tape measure pictures, it shows about 3/4" difference from tire to frame/left vs right. That is a huge differnce for it to be a spring problem. Consider swapping your tires/wheels side to side and re-measureing. A offset difference in the wheels of 19mm(3/4") would give this same problem. However, this does not explain the toe in, not that we can see it in the pictures anyways. Measure from the front of the axle tube to the front leaf spring mounting bolt..Are they way different? If yes, it is probably time to disassemble the rear blocks/u-bolts and verify that all the centering pins are still in good condition. And make sure the rear u-bolts get re-torqued when you are done. Quote Link to comment
rockstar 620 Posted September 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 From your tape measure pictures, it shows about 3/4" difference from tire to frame/left vs right. That is a huge differnce for it to be a spring problem. Consider swapping your tires/wheels side to side and re-measureing. A offset difference in the wheels of 19mm(3/4") would give this same problem. However, this does not explain the toe in, not that we can see it in the pictures anyways. Measure from the front of the axle tube to the front leaf spring mounting bolt..Are they way different? If yes, it is probably time to disassemble the rear blocks/u-bolts and verify that all the centering pins are still in good condition. And make sure the rear u-bolts get re-torqued when you are done. will do that thx for the help !! Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 I think he means this: the right tire is farther from the frame than the left, and the right tire has toe in. I made my picture a bit exaggerated. On the spring pack there is a dowel pin that fits a hole on the spring perch on the axle. If the pin is broken off or the U bolts loose it may have jumped out allowing the axle to move forward. Not good. Post some pictures of the springs where they mount on the axle. Shoot from the middle of the axle looking out to the sides. Quote Link to comment
Farmer Joe Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 are the pins for the blocks lined up right? like the hole on the bottom of the block is on the bolt from the leaf pack... and then the axle is lined up in the dowel? i messed up on my luv once, and it did the same thing... loosen up the ubolts and make sure everythins lined up.. Quote Link to comment
Sealik Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 On the spring pack there is a dowel pin that fits a hole on the spring perch on the axle. If the pin is broken off or the U bolts loose it may have jumped out allowing the axle to move forward. Not good. Post some pictures of the springs where they mount on the axle. Shoot from the middle of the axle looking out to the sides. Ya...figure there is nothing left on top of the spring to hold the block/diff Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Wow the posts are fast. Yes I see the spring and that is fucked up. You should never run with a single leaf. This is redneck lowering and puts all the weight and side loading forces when turning on a single leaf. Not at all good. The axle relies on multi-leaf springs to locate and hold it centered on the frame. Quote Link to comment
rockstar 620 Posted September 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 i went and checked under the perches and i can feel the bolts being there,,,like i mentioned earlier previous owner lowered the back so he mite haved effd sumthing off so what ill do is remove the u bolts tomorrow and see whats going on. whats going on its pretty strange. Quote Link to comment
Sealik Posted September 17, 2011 Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Ya...figure there is nothing left on top of the spring to hold the block/diff Or....the bottom of the block has a oversized/worn hole. Quote Link to comment
rockstar 620 Posted September 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2011 Wow the posts are fast. Yes I see the spring and that is fucked up. You should never run with a single leaf. This is redneck lowering and puts all the weight and side loading forces when turning on a single leaf. Not at all good. The axle relies on multi-leaf springs to locate and hold it centered on the frame. it has the main leaf and the short n thick one on bottom...should i put some more leaves on there i have a full 620 spring pack !! Quote Link to comment
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