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Hey guys,

I'm new here so I'm hoping I'm not going to set anyone off, just trying to start off on the right foot. I've been looking at building up a nice Datsun, but I can't quite decide which I would rather go with. I'm stuck between a two door 510 with a turbo ka24 or a 240z with a rb25. If anyone could give me some insight on what they've done in the past with these cars, as I'm sure someone has gone the same route before, or even a kind "welcome" I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

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Hey, i see your local. Welcome. both are somewhat equal.

240z.... 11.8lbs per HP with RB25DE (200ish HP).........http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine

510 ... 10lbs per HP with KA24DET (227 HP at 6 psi)...http://www.ka24development.com/dyno_charts.html

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Who doesn't have a 510,that's all I see dime a dozen. Thats why I sold my 510 after building it with a SR it was 90% finished. Drive them both and see what you like. 240's have a nice look like a shark.

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Hey, i see your local. Welcome. both are somewhat equal.

240z.... 11.8lbs per HP with RB25DE (200ish HP).........http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine

510 ... 10lbs per HP with KA24DET (227 HP at 6 psi)...http://www.ka24development.com/dyno_charts.html

 

 

Thanks, yeah I was thinking the end result would be pretty similar if I kept them relatively stock but who knows how long that would last (wink wink). for the 510 I was thinking:

-ka24de

-individual throttle bodies (yes I know this would be a project in itself and I would likely keep it this way for a while until the turbo build started)

-custom intake plenum around itb's

-t25 or t28

-fmic

-370cc injectors

-maybe a n62 maf

-a nice tune on nistune or a piggyback apexi neo, some sort of management

-other mods (exhaust, fuel pump, etc)

-looking for around 250-275whp

I think if I got a reasable tune I would be able to keep the ka alive with the turbo for a while or I could fortify the bottom end and get a better turbo if I'm willing to dish out the cash.

 

for the z I was thinking:

-rb25det

-injector upgrade if needed

-new turbo manifold

-maybe a gt3076r or t3/t4

-greddy intake mani

-fmic

-a supporting tune

-looking for 350-400whp

Now, I realize the z would be more expensive in the long run, but I simply can't get over how lovely the rb series is. I also have a love for the 510 so I'm hoping someone can help me out here. The ideal scenario is I build one now and build the other someday later in life and live like a fat and happy car admirer, but that's not too realistic. I hope someone can give me a hand, thanks guys.

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Thanks, yeah I was thinking the end result would be pretty similar if I kept them relatively stock but who knows how long that would last (wink wink). for the 510 I was thinking:

-ka24de

-individual throttle bodies (yes I know this would be a project in itself and I would likely keep it this way for a while until the turbo build started)

-custom intake plenum around itb's

-t25 or t28

-fmic

-370cc injectors

-maybe a n62 maf

-a nice tune on nistune or a piggyback apexi neo, some sort of management

-other mods (exhaust, fuel pump, etc)

-looking for around 250-275whp

I think if I got a reasable tune I would be able to keep the ka alive with the turbo for a while or I could fortify the bottom end and get a better turbo if I'm willing to dish out the cash.

 

for the z I was thinking:

-rb25det

-injector upgrade if needed

-new turbo manifold

-maybe a gt3076r or t3/t4

-greddy intake mani

-fmic

-a supporting tune

-looking for 350-400whp

Now, I realize the z would be more expensive in the long run, but I simply can't get over how lovely the rb series is. I also have a love for the 510 so I'm hoping someone can help me out here. The ideal scenario is I build one now and build the other someday later in life and live like a fat and happy car admirer, but that's not too realistic. I hope someone can give me a hand, thanks guys.

 

i suggest tuning the ECU yourself, its actually fairly easy with Nissan once you get all the hardware and software you need. and if you screw up its all a matter of replacing the ECU.

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Its all personal preference,myself 510s all the way,and they are not a dime a dozen anymore, 15 years ago yes they were sort of, now they are attracting all kinds of peeps,where I am there are my 3 and "maybe" 1 or 2 more, mine get so much attention I have to add a few minutes anytime I go out,for the bullshit sessions people want to talk about the 510s.

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My babys :cool:

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i suggest tuning the ECU yourself, its actually fairly easy with Nissan once you get all the hardware and software you need. and if you screw up its all a matter of replacing the ECU.

If I was prepared accordingly I would give it a try, but I would definitely want some help just in case lol.

 

Its all personal preference,myself 510s all the way,and they are not a dime a dozen anymore, 15 years ago yes they were sort of, now they are attracting all kinds of peeps,where I am there are my 3 and "maybe" 1 or 2 more, mine get so much attention I have to add a few minutes anytime I go out,for the bullshit sessions people want to talk about the 510s.

 

Oh yeah, believe me, I love the 510s, I'm not biased either way between the 510 or z cars, I'm just caught between choosing which I am going to devote to. (beautiful collection you got there by the way)

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Oh yeah, believe me, I love the 510s, I'm not biased either way between the 510 or z cars, I'm just caught between choosing which I am going to devote to. (beautiful collection you got there by the way)

 

It is a hard choice,depends on what you want to do, 510s can haul a buch of stuff/people and get there quick enough, I can pull(with a L motor) 1st rubber,2nd bit of rubber,3rd chirp fully loaded(4 adults) :lol:

 

Thanks,they is family.

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Here's my baby. 1992 240sx se super hicas model (with super hicas delete), intake, dual n1 3" exhaust and a whole lot of memories. It's eager for a supercharged vh45 swap, but here in California, that's a no-no.

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It is a hard choice,depends on what you want to do, 510s can haul a buch of stuff/people and get there quick enough, I can pull(with a L motor) 1st rubber,2nd bit of rubber,3rd chirp fully loaded(4 adults) :lol:

 

Thanks,they is family.

 

Wow! mellow.gif With the l series in it? That's pretty cool...dat power-to-weight ratio...

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Wow! mellow.gif With the l series in it? That's pretty cool...dat power-to-weight ratio...

 

Yep all L power :blink: :cool: :lol:

The L made 510s what they are today, Its old school, but I like it.

Nice 240 btw

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Here's my baby. 1992 240sx se super hicas model (with super hicas delete), intake, dual n1 3" exhaust and a whole lot of memories. It's eager for a supercharged vh45 swap, but here in California, that's a no-no.

 

Why the HICAS delete? and Commiefornia is good for that, but there are ways if you have money.... best not to mention it on here though. i want to do the 56, just cause i probably can. Either way the VH45/VK56 are fucking screaming monsters once you add forced induction in the 5-7 psi range. i'm curious what 15+ psi would do.

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also consider this

 

a KA 510 would be a whole lot cheaper to build then an RB z car since both the RB and the Z car are more expencive then the KA and 510 it really depends on which car you like more if given the choice i would go z car over a 510 because you have a much wider range of things avalable for a z car

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also consider this

 

a KA 510 would be a whole lot cheaper to build then an RB z car since both the RB and the Z car are more expencive then the KA and 510 it really depends on which car you like more if given the choice i would go z car over a 510 because you have a much wider range of things avalable for a z car

 

He is a 610 owner..

the step child 510 :P :P :lol: :lol:

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Yep all L power :blink: :cool: :lol:

The L made 510s what they are today, Its old school, but I like it.

Nice 240 btw

 

Wow, nice dude. I was considering building the l engine in the 510, but I'm more familiar with the ka so I figured it would be a good idea to stick with it.

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Wow, nice dude. I was considering building the l engine in the 510, but I'm more familiar with the ka so I figured it would be a good idea to stick with it.

 

That is where preference comes in :cool:

Im old school, I have driven them for years all L power,I want to cross the path someday but not until L stuff runs dry :o Sure hope that does not happen :blink:

KA 510s pull strong,I have read and heard that when they get the tick its the death tick? :unsure:

You know KA like I know L,and you would benefit with a KA for sure,Like I do with L :cool:

Looking foreward to the project you decide to go with :cool:

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also consider this

 

a KA 510 would be a whole lot cheaper to build then an RB z car since both the RB and the Z car are more expencive then the KA and 510 it really depends on which car you like more if given the choice i would go z car over a 510 because you have a much wider range of things avalable for a z car

i like the 510 and the z pretty much equally, and the 610 is cool too (mad love for hatchbacks)

both cars would be awesome to have and either would make me happy

 

He is a 610 owner..

the step child 510 :P :P :lol: :lol:

 

the 610 is essentially the same as the 510 right? It's just hatchback form?

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the 610 is essentially the same as the 510 right? It's just hatchback form?

 

610s are a bit bigger(more roomy/luxury)the suspension is all the same,rumour has it 610 springs are "stiffer" I have driven both,and also installed 610 springs in a 510 no difference that I could notice,so leave the "rumour " as that :lol:

All Dattos are cool, and I respect all the same way,just personal preference,I have owned 1200,210,510,610,710,620,521. Always had a 510 :cool:

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That is where preference comes in :cool:

Im old school, I have driven them for years all L power,I want to cross the path someday but not until L stuff runs dry :o Sure hope that does not happen :blink:

KA 510s pull strong,I have read and heard that when they get the tick its the death tick? :unsure:

You know KA like I know L,and you would benefit with a KA for sure,Like I do with L :cool:

Looking foreward to the project you decide to go with :cool:

 

The tick ka24s tend to get is the upper timing chain guide getting worn (Nissan even said it isn't even necessary in there), but I don't think that would be a death tick, just annoying at idle, mine even has it dry.gif

I'm content with the torque of the ka in my 240 so I can only imagine what it'd be like in the 510 tongue.gif

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510 > 240

simple math

 

Who doesn't have a 510

you!

 

you should get one! a wagon.

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The tick ka24s tend to get is the upper timing chain guide getting worn (Nissan even said it isn't even necessary in there), but I don't think that would be a death tick, just annoying at idle, mine even has it dry.gif

I'm content with the torque of the ka in my 240 so I can only imagine what it'd be like in the 510 tongue.gif

 

 

Yeh I am not too familiar with KA,But I do know it make decent power :cool:

Then there is SR / VG..

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610s are a bit bigger(more roomy/luxury)the suspension is all the same,rumour has it 610 springs are "stiffer" I have driven both,and also installed 610 springs in a 510 no difference that I could notice,so leave the "rumour " as that :lol:

All Dattos are cool, and I respect all the same way,just personal preference,I have owned 1200,210,510,610,710,620,521. Always had a 510 :cool:

 

Oh wow, nice man, that's awesome. The 240 has been my only car so far, but apparently there have been a bunch of Datsuns floating throughout my family over the years, grandma had a z (passed away) and other grandma had a 610 (living life like a 10 year old) so I wouldn't mind carrying on the family tradition. Except mine will be much more awesome laugh.gif

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Oh wow, nice man, that's awesome. The 240 has been my only car so far, but apparently there have been a bunch of Datsuns floating throughout my family over the years, grandma had a z (passed away) and other grandma had a 610 (living life like a 10 year old) so I wouldn't mind carrying on the family tradition. Except mine will be much more awesome laugh.gif

:hyper: :hyper:

they are all awesomer :thumbup:

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510 > 240

simple math

That made me chuckle, you do have a point.

 

Yeh I am not too familiar with KA,But I do know it make decent power :cool:

Then there is SR / VG..

 

The other engines I was thinking of for the 510 were the ca18det, the sr20det and the ka24 with the itb and turbo, but I like my whole ka plan. I just wouldn't feel comfortable with a v6 in the 510, seems like it should keep its 4 cylinder heritage.

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510 > 240

simple math

 

 

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Winning!

True 510er :cool:

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