doughboi916 Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Trying to wire up my KA today... read through everything i can.. searched and searched.. im still confused about a few things..... a pic of the CAN/AM box wired up.. Random(blue) wire cut on the 510 harness? What do i do with this? Not sure how to wire up the Starter and KA Alt??? im assuming these wires have something to do with them? also have no idea what these go to? wipers..horn..?? Quote Link to comment
inline4 Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 that's the spirit! :) Quote Link to comment
inline4 Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 on a sidenote, that doesn't look like enough wires are hooked up. it looks daunting the first time around, but do you have another KA car to look at as reference? Quote Link to comment
sssr20det510 Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 Trying to wire up my KA today... read through everything i can.. searched and searched.. im still confused about a few things..... a pic of the CAN/AM box wired up.. Random(blue) wire cut on the 510 harness? What do i do with this? Not sure how to wire up the Starter and KA Alt??? im assuming these wires have something to do with them? also have no idea what these go to? wipers..horn..?? the blue wire i believe needs to be hooked up to power , you use your factory 510 stater signal wire for stater and tap into it with the orange fp wire. you delete all factory alt wirong but the white with red stripe if i remember right. that goes to the signal for alt and the other wire you just run to the post of the alt. then you run a bigger wire from the post to the starter power side (not signal) Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 That blu wire. Does it go underneath the fuse box? Ohm it out MOFO!!!!! then you know where it goes to. You have the coverof the fuse box to know what it says it goes to? Be honest if it goes under neath its most likely the air conditioner wire that is not used in most 510s. It will be a switchable 12volts( key ON). Dont you need the other 2 fuses in there???????????Most likely they will be a switchable power for other stuff the KA alt uses a different comnnector but you can make a jumper for the old T connector to the new KA connector so dont cut the old 510 stuff. datzenmike has photos of how he made his. PM him since you want to use the KA alt. you remove the old volt reg and unplugg it. Then use 2 jumpers to o short out the correct color of wires. blk/wht short with wht/red and yellow short with wht. just make 1 or 2 inch male blade connctor to plug in the connector Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 any update on this!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment
erichwaslike Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 if u look in the 411 stuff a member just finished his ka swap and alot of this is covered in there. has diagrams for alt wiring i used em to wire my internal gm alt this weeken adn they work great! Quote Link to comment
hang_510 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Not sure how to wire up the Starter and KA Alt??? im assuming these wires have something to do with them? those 2 are power from the starter, including the fusible link. Quote Link to comment
doughboi916 Posted August 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 ok guys.. i had to let the project sit for a while.. just been way busy at work but im back on it... so i wired everything up.. the CanAm box gets power when i turn the ignition... BUT once i connect the battery to the terminal the starter starts to make a noise like its trying to crank the motor over.. and that's with the CanAm box off ,ignition on off?? this is the farthest ive got.. i was over the moon when i got the box wired and seen the nice leds light up.. slowly but surely.. just trying to do as much research i can.. still got fuel lines to run.. im just trying to crank the motor over first.. Quote Link to comment
doughboi916 Posted August 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 also off the KA starter there is a thick Black w/Whit stripe wire with a connector on t he end.. what is this? is this were the orange wire goes to? Quote Link to comment
Laecaon Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Orange goes to the starter solenoid. On the solenoid you should see 2 big posts, those are for the power wires. There should be a 3rd, smaller probably a spade connector on that same box that the 2 big posts are connected to. This is where the orange goes. Pull the BW wire off. Better yet take a picture of what you currently have. The BW wire should have power which is why it is making the starter go. It is the wrong wire. Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 It is the wrong wire. Doughboy The blk wht wire usuaully is the 12volt switchable wire. this come from fusekkey swithc area Mean when key ON you get 12volts. this should go to the Can Am box. Quote Link to comment
doughboi916 Posted August 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 So this is what i got??? im trying.. i suck at wiring.this is what i got for the alt??? i put a jumper and unplugged the regulator.. cut the T connector now...???? i have a thick Wht/Red strip? not sure what post it goes to? And this is what i got for the Starter.. not sure what goes were?? i got the thick blk/wht wire on the starter.. if i connect the Orange S wire to this.. the 2 white wires tuned unto 1 red one the post in the pick and from that post to + of BAT.. the starter starts making noise... canAm box lit up.. Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 1st photo(top)that wire is wht with blk stripe. I believe is NOT the one. the wire that went to the coil ballast resisitor is the correct one. You need more photos. You have a old volt reg? PM Leacaen Quote Link to comment
Laecaon Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 PM Leacaen LOL!!! I cant even find a wiring diagram for a KA Alt. I need to clear my head first, looking at way too many wiring diagrams! Quote Link to comment
Laecaon Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Um, wait. This is the KA alt right? If so it is internally regulated right? THe 510 is configured for external regulator. You need to rewire it for the internal. You need to find the external regulator. There is a 6pin plug for it. You will see a white wire and a yellow wire. Those need to be jumped. Also you need to jump the White/Red with the White/Black. Yellow will run to the top of the "T" on the alternator. White black will run to the stem of the "T" on the alternator. You will have a Big wire that goes to the from the "+" or "batt" on the alt to battery +. Also the white wire that is now connected with the Yellow should be plugged into the +starter terminal. If there is some confusion about the alternator, I can probably fix it, but I need to attack it later (like tomorrow or something). Quote Link to comment
Laecaon Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Ok so what you are calling black white,next to the starter, may actually be black yellow. Black Yellow is what you want (sometimes colors fade, try exposing some more of the wiring to see if it actually is yellow. Ok a few quick questions: The lights on the Can/Am box are still like the picture above? Is there a light on the ecu box? Now you dont technically need the alt to make the motor to run, it can run off of battery for a short time. So what happens when you try to crank the motor with the key? Quote Link to comment
doughboi916 Posted August 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 ok the box is getting power only when i turn the ignition all the way to the ON position.. and when i try crank it "start" the lights go off until its back to the "ON" position..not too sure if theirs a light on the ecu itself?? im at work once i get home i will check.... Im not too worried about the alt wiring.. i just want the motor to crank.. i pulled the starter and got it tested thinking it may be bad but it passed...?? Quote Link to comment
Laecaon Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 I will wait til you are home and can get better answers. Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 This looks like a hack job/ mod the 3 wires in his left hand are all the alternator wiring. The Yellow and the wht/blk are the T connector wires with the T connector gone. The wht red with round lug is the +output of alternator. the STARTER selinoid wire will be blk yellow orsoemthing like that but EZ to ck But key in start and it will get 12volt. Thats it that should kick the starter in. This part is separate from the new stuff added. this should kick the motor over. so this awnsers this statement,"i just want the motor to crank" ifnot then its back in the key switch or low voltage Quote Link to comment
doughboi916 Posted September 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 back to Laecaons question about a Light on the ecu.. Yes theirs a red light on the ecu that powers on once it gets power... i think another problem i just thought of is that im using a battery charger to test all this and not a battery?? i looked closely while i had the ignition on the start position and the lights are actually still on but SUPPPER DIM?? so tmoz ill be using a battery with a charger on it.. ok banzai510 so the wire on the solenoid is actually blk/yellow.. so this is were the Orange from the ka ecu goes?? i think im just mixing up the wires on the starter... if some one can snap a pic of there wiring on the starter that would help? i bought the car just a shell.. no engine wiring harness just dash and bought the engine harness from someone off craigslist.. so sum wires were cut but i untapped alot of the harness and traced back to the original colors of the wires.. Quote Link to comment
Laecaon Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 back to Laecaons question about a Light on the ecu.. Yes theirs a red light on the ecu that powers on once it gets power... i think another problem i just thought of is that im using a battery charger to test all this and not a battery?? i looked closely while i had the ignition on the start position and the lights are actually still on but SUPPPER DIM?? so tmoz ill be using a battery with a charger on it.. ok banzai510 so the wire on the solenoid is actually blk/yellow.. so this is were the Orange from the ka ecu goes?? i think im just mixing up the wires on the starter... if some one can snap a pic of there wiring on the starter that would help? i bought the car just a shell.. no engine wiring harness just dash and bought the engine harness from someone off craigslist.. so sum wires were cut but i untapped alot of the harness and traced back to the original colors of the wires.. Will do! And yes get a real battery in there, something that can provide some amps! (technically to charge a battery you dont need amps, you just need a higher voltage, so who knows what the charger is doing). Good to hear about the ecu power light. You should be able to crank the motor over with your key, even if you ripped out all of the Can/Am box. The starter is running off the old harness. Quote Link to comment
doughboi916 Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 haven't had much time this weekend.. maybe mid week ill get back on it... anyone able to snap a few pix for me that would be real helpful. Quote Link to comment
510kevin Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 AH HA! im not the only wiring idiot!!! :P Quote Link to comment
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