Llittle_Llama Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 what is a nap z bell, and why can i not use the stock 240sx tranny......i have an extra 240 for parts i will be pulling the wiring out of, and using the intake from.....also, if i get the truck ka oui pan, can i bolt that onto the 240 motor and bolt it in? Quote Link to comment
kiznook Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 1. NAP Z Bell= Transmission bellhousing from a NAPS-Z motor, Z20, Z22, Z24. Bellhousing being the front part of the transmission that connects the earbox to the engine (looks like a bell and houses the clutch?) 2. You certainly can use the 240sx transmisson. It is longer, so the driveshaft will NEED to be shortened, and you'll need bucket seats, because the shifter is going to move back something like 6-8 inches. I would recommend going this route, it'll just mean another $50-100 for driveshaft shortening, but you'll save on not having to by 2 more transmissions to piece together 3. No, but it can be done. You will need the pan and the pick-up tube. The front (shallow) part of the pan will need to be lowered an inch or so in order to clear the 240sx block's main bearing girdle. Be sure to figure out a dipstick though, you'll either need a cable "stick" or you'll have to redrill the block and relocate the entire dipstick assembly Does that answer your questions? OH! you'll need to make a new mount for the transmission. But really you should be able to slot the factory mount to gain you enough rearward movement Quote Link to comment
Llittle_Llama Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 so should i not get the pan at all? will hte car block work? i was under the impression that only the truck block worked....as long as i ust the 240 tranny, i dont need the nap z bellhousing right? Quote Link to comment
Llittle_Llama Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 oh, and if i use the 240 tranny, besides the d/s having to be modified, there is nothing i need besides the block right? and is there a difference between the single cam tranny and the dual? Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Here's an FS5W71C from a 240 sx behind it is an FS5W71B Z motor trans. Not too much difference in length. I believe the Z and KA 'bell' bolt pattern is the same and that the double cam motors have different bells. http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q251/datzenmike/transFS5W71CandFS5W71B-1.jpg[/img]"] Quote Link to comment
kiznook Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 the only way you'll be able to use the 240 oil pan is if you make a new center link for your steering (This is what BEEBANI did) I would recommend getting the truck pickup tube and pan and modifying it to work. like I said though, you'll have to solve the dipstick problem, which shouldn't be too difficult. "there is nothing i need besides the block right?" -I have NO idea what you mean. If you use the 240 transmission, that's all you need. No bellhousing swap. I can't remember if the E and DE use the same transmission. I seem to recall that they do, but I could be wrong. You have a tranny in the car though, so how is this relevant? Quote Link to comment
Llittle_Llama Posted March 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 thats what im saying as far as the tranny goes. i get the 240 tranny, truck block, and 240heads and intake right? skipped the hardbody today though, and got some kinda rare focus parts to resell online. need the money, lol Quote Link to comment
kiznook Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 you can use the truck block and head. I would say use whatever has the least amount of miles on it. seems kinda dumb to use a 200k mile motor when you have one with 75k on it. either way, you WILL need the truck oil pan and pickup tube. Unless you want to make a new steering rod. Quote Link to comment
Llittle_Llama Posted March 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 please dont kill me, but what is a pickup tube look like, i know what it is, and what it does, just not too sure on what it looks like, lol Quote Link to comment
kiznook Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 its a long curved tube that goes from the fron of the block down in to the sump of the pan, and has a cone shaped mesh thing on the end (kinda looks like a muffin top) Once you get the pan off, you can't miss it. Quote Link to comment
Llittle_Llama Posted March 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 oh that thing, lol. yeah. i'll get that too. so with the car block and head and truck pick up tube and pan, i need to modify the block or the pan 1 inch? Quote Link to comment
kiznook Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 you'll have to modify the pan to fit the car block. Once you have all the pieces in hand it'll be clear what needs to be done Quote Link to comment
Z-train Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 All L,Z & KA bells WILL interchange between motors but the "clocking" is different on the "L" bell.KA bells will NOT swap to L or Z trans as the rails and bearings are a different diameter. Quote Link to comment
Llittle_Llama Posted March 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 were talking more on the ka swap. Quote Link to comment
onunez65falcon Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Hello there, First day and first question, I just buy a Datsun 1300 truck and I need some pars for it, where is a good place to start. also where can I post my truck picture. Thanks and keep the good work. Quote Link to comment
Bleach Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Hello there, First day and first question, I just buy a Datsun 1300 truck and I need some pars for it, where is a good place to start. also where can I post my truck picture.Thanks and keep the good work. Is this your first forum too? You don't post your question in someone else's thread. Start a new thread and specify what parts you are looking for. As for the KA swap... :blink: not gonna happen Quote Link to comment
Llittle_Llama Posted March 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Is this your first forum too? You don't post your question in someone else's thread. Start a new thread and specify what parts you are looking for. As for the KA swap... :blink: not gonna happen why wont the ka swap happen? Quote Link to comment
BEEBANI Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 why wont the ka swap happen? If you had to ask......;) Quote Link to comment
Icehouse Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 The truck pan can be dollied to clear the "frying pan" as I call it :D Thats what Frank did on the orange truck. The only reason I used all the different parts is so the swap would be as "bolt in" as it can be. Which it turns out its not really :D All the KA bells are the same, so is the FJ, and Nap Z. I used the "old tranny" so I wouldn't have to mod the DL, and the mount fits perfect. I hate making shifter covers..... You could use the truck injection, I didn't because it looked like a bitch to wire up :D Quote Link to comment
Llittle_Llama Posted March 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 well i have the head and intake and everything from the car....im getting another block as the head gasket blew on the 240 so the bearings are wiped clean...imma mill the head and rebuild it, and paint all the intake parts and valve cover so it looks good while i ammas all the rest of the motor, lol. i have the complete wiring too.... Quote Link to comment
kiznook Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 If the headgasket blew, and caused the bearings trouble, than the head is probably fucked. Gotta think it must have been run with a bad HG for a while. Quote Link to comment
BEEBANI Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 If the headgasket blew, and caused the bearings trouble, than the head is probably fucked. Gotta think it must have been run with a bad HG for a while. amen brother! very seldom hear of a bad hg causing bearing trouble, let alone any problems with the bottom end. Usually if you catch it soon enough, you can avoid warping the head. Quote Link to comment
Llittle_Llama Posted March 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 thats why imma mill and rebuild....or do you think it's not worth it..... Quote Link to comment
Llittle_Llama Posted March 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 i only assume the block is bad, it's still in the car, only pulled a few parts off so far. block is coming out this week hopefully.... Quote Link to comment
pope_face Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Sell the car, buy a hardbody engine/transmission combo, use those. If you happened to have all good parts and did a lot of research on the swap, you'd be able to pull it off. But, by the sounds of it, it'll take a lot of time and money to get what you want to work. There's KA's constantly being sold up here with transmissions for about $1000, and that's more expensive than buying one in the states. I suggest that you stop, look at what you have, figure out what's good, what's usable, and what needs work, and then just make a list and post it here. Then you can figure out whether it'll be cheaper/easier to just buy another good engine. Quote Link to comment
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