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Safety? What is safety? Just don't put finger on trigger comrade then everything is safe.

The problem with the AK47 is... they work. I've seen ones that fire with holes rusted up the stamped steel receiver...

 

We'll have none of this though...

 

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Unless you really do like Glocks.

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Wait the inventor is holding his gun wrong

 

I don't like apple.. ? Don't even know why.

 

Anyone know a glock blowup story?

No but Gustav Glock test fires his pistols with his left had so that if there is a failure he can still draw pistol designs. I feel if you don't have enough confidence in your design THEN DONT FIRE IT WITH YOUR HAND! Also every Glock is a Glock just scaled up or down so what is there to keep designing?

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I do not like Glocks, to me they are the Apple of firearms, they tell you all of the great features they have....fearures other manufacturers have already done.

 

 

I'd love to disagree with this by providing a well reasoned and referenced argument. As I'm unable to do so, I'll point out the one major thing they did was in advertising their products using "escorts".... that's really the only new thing. However, it's totally tangential to your statement.

 

 

Wait the inventor is holding his gun wrong

I don't like apple.. ? Don't even know why.

Anyone know a glock blowup story?

  

 

I've seen shitloads of guns blow up. My favorite Glock specific story, on of my compatriots, I'll call him 'Jake', at a private security firm I was doing a job for on loan from the company I worked for. We were teaching a firearms class to super rich and influential people and he was trying to show off. I was in the veeeeeery back of the room with two state senators from Co. I'd seen the writing on the wall with this show boating ass clown, so I figured I'd hide in the back, using the social elite as a meat shield.

 

Of course, I realize the irony. The Sen's were both abhorred by Jake's behavior and were following my lead. Jake had a Glock 23 third gen with a Crimson Trace red laser guide rod.... not much says "I'm a douche" to a gun guy than that. Jake decides he's going to demonstrate that the weapon won't fire if the slide is out of battery. I do this same demonstration but... I use the blue slide one that fired paint pellets.... Ol' Jake decides he's gonna one up me by using his loaded pistol... against a concrete barricade.

 

The Sen's and I have a maybe 4 ppl deep meat shield and I catch a glimpse of this asshole starting to do this. Here's the problem... the guide rod touched the cement... not the slide... that .40 S&W hollow point smacked straight into the stone snapping the frame and sending dust and shit all over. Not to mention only like 4 of us had ear pro on, in an indoor range. My ears were fine, cause I wear the volume adjusting 3M ones. The ricocheted bullet came back into the gun at a slight angle breaking dipshits hand and sending the frame frags back into him. A few ppl up front had minor injuries from the debris.

 

I had to tape him up, but I did combat triage... so I helped the least injured patients first. He was shit canned, I taught the rest of the days of training and... I got my pay, and his pay for the days he missed.

 

No but Gustav Glock test fires his pistols with his left had so that if there is a failure he can still draw pistol designs. I feel if you don't have enough confidence in your design THEN DONT FIRE IT WITH YOUR HAND! Also every Glock is a Glock just scaled up or down so what is there to keep designing?

They're slowly making the grips better, improving materials with newer polymers... and shit. Minor changes. They're making the production models more like the guns I carry. Gustav did shoot left handed during initial testing of the 17 & 18. Really the best part about the Glock 17 is how simple it is to make it F/A. ;-)

 

I like Glocks. I carried them for years, but they're not the only guns I have. I prefer their rake angle to their competition. Mostly because my right hand is mildly deformed from improperly set fractures. It comes down to personal preference with most modern firearms.. just no Hi-Points...

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My biggest thing with Glocks is the guy with the Glock hat and/or shirt that tells you how good a Glock is and it's really good after new sights and a new trigger and some slide work and a barrel...Blah blah blah with all the money you just spent making your Glock a nice pistol you could have bought a nice pistol.

 

I saw a guy mush in the same garb working at a local gun shop I over heard him trying to be all tacticool gun guy and telling a customer that twice a year he disassembles his magazines and turns the spring around so it wears evenly...Never heard of that in my life.

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Not a Glock person at all.Sure they work well, but just not my style. And just to put it out there, I only own one hand gun and it is a Ruger P-89, yeah, a real dinosaur. I am about to probably grab an M&P Shield or S&W XDs. 

 

All my stuff is bare bones and rather normal. No fancy finishes or trick of the week tacti-fool stuff. Just Plain Jane it works shit. And I just don't get the AR pistols. Why? I have fired them and I still don't care for one, and in California, they are more trouble than they are worth. 

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My biggest thing with Glocks is the guy with the Glock hat and/or shirt that tells you how good a Glock is and it's really good after new sights and a new trigger and some slide...

 

...garb working at a local gun shop I over heard him trying to be all tacticool gun ... he disassembles his magazines and turns the spring around so it wears evenly...Never heard of that in my life.

First, those guys are idiots. Sure, I have a few pimped out Guns, but it's because I'm a gun dork. My "on the job" Glocks have all factory parts. I polish a few things up, but they're all stock. I've had one for 17 years... has over 15,000 rds through it. Works fine.

 

Second, he's fucking lying. Spring only goes in one way. Take an empty mag and look at the follower... its angled slightly... you flip that around bullets will go in but not come out. You flip it over... the base plate side of the spring is bigger than the follower side... that plastic thing won't fit. Gunsmiths use that as an inside joke that ppl took literally. Those people are fucking idiots and dangerous.

 

H&K, Beretta, Smith, Colt, Springfield, Kimber, Nighthawk, Ruger... all make good guns. Shooters preference.

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Not a Glock person at all.Sure they work well, but just not my style. And just to put it out there, I only own one hand gun and it is a Ruger P-89, yeah, a real dinosaur. I am about to probably grab an M&P Shield or S&W XDs. 

 

All my stuff is bare bones and rather normal. No fancy finishes or trick of the week tacti-fool stuff. Just Plain Jane it works shit. And I just don't get the AR pistols. Why? I have fired them and I still don't care for one, and in California, they are more trouble than they are worth.

 

Smith & Wesson Military & Police Edition Shield 9 is my preference between that and the Springfield XD 9. Like I said though, get the one you shoot better. There's not a significant difference in quality between them. I've shot the shit out of both. I like both. The P89 is a bit dated.

 

The AR pistol is for fighting in a house. Long story, but here's what you need to know. This is SUPER important....

 

...go get a pen and paper... I'll wait.

 

...no, not that pen, the other one... that one won't work...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...14.5". That's what you need. With a welded muzzle brake, you'll be at 16". That's a rifle. If you're gonna have a 5.56, get the rifle. Pistols are too limited and loud... and temperamental. Save up, buy a nice one, figure a grand, and just have an AR and an M&P or XD.

 

No cerakote, slide milling, $2,000 optic or picitanny mounted flesh light.

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I think I have a few Glock shirts somewhere. You want me to kit up to go to Gatoland? Helmet, hard plates, NVGs in the daytime, ill shotgun two Rip-Its, put a MONSTER dip in my lip, and we'll show Pasco wtf is up.

 

We can talk about polishing those stupid swirls out of our barrels and then stand in a circle as we urinate on a burning hi-point.

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I think I have a few Glock shirts somewhere. You want me to kit up to go to Gatoland? Helmet, hard plates, NVGs in the daytime, ill shotgun two Rip-Its, put a MONSTER dip in my lip, and we'll show Pasco wtf is up.

 

We can talk about polishing those stupid swirls out of our barrels and then stand in a circle as we urinate on a burning hi-point.

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I think I have a few Glock shirts somewhere. You want me to kit up to go to Gatoland? Helmet, hard plates, NVGs in the daytime, ill shotgun two Rip-Its, put a MONSTER dip in my lip, and we'll show Pasco wtf is up.

We can talk about polishing those stupid swirls out of our barrels and then stand in a circle as we urinate on a burning hi-point.

As I understand it, hi-point pistols are pretty reliable if you get the Southern California model...you know...the one designed to hold sideways. I don't know what's worse, a hi point or those shitty little zinc bersa knock offs from the 80s. Seriously though, it's the one make that I won't even try.

 

I have odd taste in firearms, not an ar fanboy although I do have a 10.5 pistol I built for gits and shiggles, I hate AKs but love a tweaked sks, don't like striker fired anything and really love da/sa sig, CZ and berettas. Give me an 85 series mini 14 or m1a over any AR build. But over all of the above I'll take the old polished up ruger .357 in the bottom of my gun locker, it's as reliable as an old chevy pickup, and about as heavy.

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First firearm I bought was an h&k, kinda ruins most other things after that unless they're up to par. :lol:

 

 

This is so true for me too.  I bought an XDs in .45 for a bit smaller of a carry on occasion, the H&K has spoiled me haha

 

My other limitation is a permanently shortened trigger finger on my dominant hand.  Makes the H&K the widest stack I can safely use in an instant without worry.  I'm not 100% on how safe it is yet but I had to mod my XDs with some heatshrink to hold the trigger safety down for my personal use, tried to make a non-permanent fix in case I need to let it go.  It seems to work OK, but as I said not sure how safe it is to run it like that and haven't had a chance to mess with it in a safe setting yet. 

 

Input on the matter would be accepted, even if it's to say I'm a fucking idiot for doing it, which would lead to me removing it and selling off the pistol.

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You are a fucking idiot, with the super light sear break point on the striker pistols the little trigger safety is really there to keep it from going off if it's dropped.

 

If you want a small carry gun that doesn't have a trigger safety get like a sig 238/938 or a s&w shield.

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Just for you buddy. You clearly know what Rip-It's are and that my old ass would have a heart attack if I pounded two of them. I'm 99% sure they're just crushed ephedra tablets in horrible soda. Last one I had caused me to studder...

 

I don't think I'm gonna make gatoland, but go a head a tacticool it up Bru, just make sure you get some Blackhawk tactical pants and a back pack designed to hold an ar15's. :Lol:

 

 

Nah, I'll just use paracord bracelets to attach my ARs that I made one handed watching Doomsday Prepper reruns. Cause you know I was viciously masterbating with my free hand.

 

That way they have salt and protein on the bracelet... I'll need it when the zombies come...

 

I actually don't have any Glock shirts here. I'll check my other places as I move around. I did some product testing for some of their stuff pre release and I got a bunch of Glock Swag... I don't have any Blackhawk stuff either... I'll have to order some, with a Condor plate carrier.... and some 1/4 steel plates I ran textured bed liner over... I gotta finish my "Know Steep On Snek" tattoo first...

 

 

As I understand it, hi-point pistols are pretty reliable if you get the Southern California model...you know...the one designed to hold sideways. I don't know what's worse, a hi point or those shitty little zinc bersa knock offs from the 80s. Seriously though, it's the one make that I won't even try.

I have odd taste in firearms, not an ar fanboy although I do have a 10.5 pistol I built for gits and shiggles, I hate AKs but love a tweaked sks, don't like striker fired anything and really love da/sa sig, CZ and berettas. Give me an 85 series mini 14 or m1a over any AR build. But over all of the above I'll take the old polished up ruger .357 in the bottom of my gun locker, it's as reliable as an old chevy pickup, and about as heavy.

 

 

Lol, I confiscated a hi point that had a gold plated slide... I just had to laugh at that. I've shot a lot of them, and I don't like them. We'd need samples for ballistic comparison...those zinc bersa things are still on the street... still killing ppl.

 

Like I said brother, shooters preference. I've seen people do really well with guns I personally hate shooting. Use what works for you, and what you like. Fuck other people's opinions. When it comes down to me protecting someone else's life, they can shut the fuck up if they don't like my chosen armament. They won't be bitching about it if I have to use it.

 

 

First firearm I bought was an h&k, kinda ruins most other things after that unless they're up to par. :Lol:

Agreed HK, Smith, colt, Ruger, Springfield and Kimber but nighthawk? Come on man ain't nobody got money for a 3k 1911.

  

 

I have 3 HK products and I enjoy shooting all of them. They're all old Skool though. I wouldn't carry one, I just have more respect for them than to let them end up in a fucking evidence room indefinitely.

 

I had a nighthawk. It was very... very choosy about what rounds it decided it would feed. I wasn't combat effective with it because I'd find myself anticipating malfunctions... so a friend offered a trade I couldn't refuse and it's in a sealed glass case in his office in Colorado. Nighthawk does awesome pricing for me, but I have to keep them for 3 years and do tech evals.

 

I don't like carrying a 1911 because most of the threats for me are "Range +/- 0 yds". Contact shots with a hammer fired gun are harder. A LOT of shit can go wrong. Don't get me wrong I love the 1911 overall, but for what I do they're impractical. The M9, USP, and older Sigs are like that too. I have nothing against them, I just have to stick to striker fired or hammerless revolvers.

 

This is so true for me too.  I bought an XDs in .45 for a bit smaller of a carry on occasion, the H&K has spoiled me haha

 

My other limitation is a permanently shortened trigger finger on my dominant hand.  Makes the H&K the widest stack I can safely use in an instant without worry.  I'm not 100% on how safe it is yet but I had to mod my XDs with some heatshrink to hold the trigger safety down for my personal use, tried to make a non-permanent fix in case I need to let it go.  It seems to work OK, but as I said not sure how safe it is to run it like that and haven't had a chance to mess with it in a safe setting yet. 

 

Input on the matter would be accepted, even if it's to say I'm a fucking idiot for doing it, which would lead to me removing it and selling off the pistol.

I feel you bro. Sorry about your finger. Have you tried a Styer pistol? They might be better for grip. When my right arm was taken out of the game I had to relearn drawing and carrying left. Took a lot of practice but I got it down. My right hand/arm will never be 100% so I had to change my whole game. I got my left side so fucked up I now have to kickbox southpaw. I'd have to see exactly what the situation is to be able to evaluate your work. A pic of your hand and the modification.

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You are a fucking idiot, with the super light sear break point on the striker pistols the little trigger safety is really there to keep it from going off if it's dropped.

If you want a small carry gun that doesn't have a trigger safety get like a sig 238/938 or a s&w shield.

Actually, sorry Q but you're wrong. There's four safeties on the XD. 1) trigger safety, 2) grip safety, 3) firing-pin block 4) out-of-battery safety. You have to disengage all of them for it to fire when dropped.

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 I feel you bro. Sorry about your finger. Have you tried a Styer pistol? They might be better for grip. When my right arm was taken out of the game I had to relearn drawing and carrying left. Took a lot of practice but I got it down. My right hand/arm will never be 100% so I had to change my whole game. I got my left side so fucked up I now have to kickbox southpaw. I'd have to see exactly what the situation is to be able to evaluate your work. A pic of your hand and the modification.

 

Straight on shot of the damage.  And the middle finger is fused in that position, allows me to make a fist without it poking out awkwardly.

 

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And a shot to show articulation ability.

 

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The H&K I have works great, older USP.  I will look into the Steyr pistols.

 

There's four safeties on the XD. 1) trigger safety, 2) grip safety, 3) firing-pin block 4) out-of-battery safety. You have to disengage all of them for it to fire when dropped.

 

This was my understanding too, and is why I thought it would be OK to apply the heatshrink.

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Damn bro, that's tough. I'd look into guns that are single stacked too. The Glock 43, Smith & Wesson M&P Shield, and Springfield has an XD like that too. They'll give your hand a better purchase on the weapon if it has a smaller grip circumference.

 

I also do suggest learning to operate your weapon effectively with your left hand. I know it's a frustrating bit of work, but it's paid me big dividends. I think dual wielding pistols is unnecessary but if I get grabbed by someone it's nice to be able to control them with my blocking arm, (now my right) and draw, fire, and fight with my left. I even carried left on patrol before I retired.

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Actually, sorry Q but you're wrong. There's four safeties on the XD. 1) trigger safety, 2) grip safety, 3) firing-pin block 4) out-of-battery safety. You have to disengage all of them for it to fire when dropped.

Correct, forgot about the the grip safety, don't know how that's the xd's big thing is the grip safety.

 

You want the ultimate safe pistol HK p7 squeeze cocker mother fuckers. :Lol:

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Damn bro, that's tough. I'd look into guns that are single stacked too. The Glock 43, Smith & Wesson M&P Shield, and Springfield has an XD like that too. They'll give your hand a better purchase on the weapon if it has a smaller grip circumference.

 

I also do suggest learning to operate your weapon effectively with your left hand. I know it's a frustrating bit of work, but it's paid me big dividends. I think dual wielding pistols is unnecessary but if I get grabbed by someone it's nice to be able to control them with my blocking arm, (now my right) and draw, fire, and fight with my left. I even carried left on patrol before I retired.

 

I've never had good luck with closed eye draw on a Glock, handle axis issues, so I don't really look at them.  Stack and a half seems to be within my usable range without having to turn or readjust my grip after pulling, but is definitely my max.

 

I looked into retraining to use my left hand about a year after the accident that caused the damage, even had a LE trainer offer to help, just never followed through.  I think it has more to do with me being just a citizen and not in harms way on a daily basis that allows me to be lazy about it though.  As time has passed, it's been roughly 10 years since it happened, I've learned it would be wise to train as a lefty just in case a situation arises. 

 

And I'd love to dual wield my H&K USP compacts all John Wick style, it's a totally effective talent to have as a normal citizen lol

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Correct, forgot about the the grip safety, don't know how that's the CD KL ones big thing is the grip safety.

You want the ultimate safe pistol HK p7 squeeze cocker mother fuckers. :Lol:

  

 

I told you my HK's are old. What do you think I traded that Nighthawk for. :Lol:

Unfortunately it's never been fired outside its initial test fire. I've shot them, but I'll never fire my P7. The gun nerd in me won't allow it.

 

I've never had good luck with closed eye draw on a Glock, handle axis issues, so I don't really look at them.  Stack and a half seems to be within my usable range without having to turn or readjust my grip after pulling, but is definitely my max.

 

I looked into retraining to use my left hand about a year after the accident that caused the damage, even had a LE trainer offer to help, just never followed through.  I think it has more to do with me being just a citizen and not in harms way on a daily basis that allows me to be lazy about it though.  As time has passed, it's been roughly 10 years since it happened, I've learned it would be wise to train as a lefty just in case a situation arises. 

 

And I'd love to dual wield my H&K USP compacts all John Wick style, it's a totally effective talent to have as a normal citizen lol

I've done LE, mil, and PMC work. So it's a little different. The one thing I will say is a LOT of incidents I responded to where the "good guy" regular Joe drew a weapon, they rarely had to use it.

 

I'd encourage finding a gun that fits your right hand, and practicing with the left. Get some snap caps (fake bullets that you can dry fire your weapon with) and play around with it. See what works best for you.

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