Need some 'paint' advice

[Sealik]

Just had my 84 720 painted.....the results are far from satisfactory. The painter is an asshole and doesn't give a rats ass :angry:

The paint is a Charcoal Beige Metallic-Omni AU 2K urethane. The epoxy primer that was laid; orange peeled and ran, he sanded the box after this....but not the cab. So....basically the primer (finish) is telegraphed through the paint. Looks like shit.

There is also some tiger striping on the front fender.

 

 

 

 

 

Got a few options...

 

Block-wet sand the paint with 2000 grit and cut polish

Block-wet sand the paint with 2000 and clearcoat

Repaint.....don't really want to go there

Whack the painter..... :cool:

 

Wondering if the wet sanding will 'remove' the tiger striping?

Can you wet sand without compromising the metallic?

The second coat of paint had about 25% clear in it and does have quite a bit of paint on it. (3/4 gallon of paint alone)

 

 

Thanks.....

[nismo dr]

Man, that sucks. I don't understand how people don't take pride in their work. Hacks.

Hope you can fix it.

 

Whack'n the painter seems like the best option. We didn't hear nothing.

[1lo620]

you should be able to wet sand it, But it depends on the number of coats of paint and clear, you dont want to rub thru the paint. I make the damn painter redo it, if not, I would smear his name all over as a shitty painter. Sorry that this happened,best of luck with getting it a bit better...

[Sealik]

I believe the truck had a couple of continuous coats.....the final one had about 25% clear in it.

This was the last paint job he is doing.......not knowing why....retired I guess....which is good.

Although....I've seen some of his previous work......Pretty good.

I've already started spreading the 'word'.......doesn't take much.....small town and all.

Which will be too no avail.....being that he has no pride left in his work

[Pacific coast Datsun]

Omni brand paint is so-so at best. Not bad for a daily driver or a get around town truck. He went the cheap way & added clear to the final coat of clear. Done that way wet sanding should be attempted with alot of caution. Chances are you'll sand right through the top coat of color fast.

Try a section of the fender down low 1st & see how it looks after a few minutes of sanding then decide if its worth doing the entire truck.

Without being there id say plan on wet sanding with 2000 then re-clearing the entire truck if you want it to look way better.

& no wet sanding wont remove the striping, sorry.

& yes go ahead & whack him for me :rolleyes:

[Sealik]

Ya....not sure what I'm going to do with it yet.

Good thing I don't work for the postal service... :wacko: :wacko: .... :rofl:

[fuzz's '71 510]

I've always heard that if you sand metalics, that it will cause light and dark shadowing. I would take it to another shop to see what kind of an opinion they might have and to see if it is to soon to "cut it" or to wait for awhile. Good luck.

 

Fuzz

[Sealik]

The metallic was my concern also.

Shops.....????

Only 1 business in town that is classified or 'licensed' as a 'paint shop'.

There's another asshole.......went up there one day to buy a few feet of pin striping.....he didn't want to deplete his 'stock' and or give me the time of day. It's on the market.....for sale.

I'm certain now that some dementias are more prolific when exposed to paint fumes.... :sick: ...and or the locale? :unsure: :D

Not slagging or disrespecting any Ratsun painters of course.....:)

Was thinking to leave it for a while till the paint cures.....bout 10 days in.

Try to get all my options before I make a decision...probably just say fuck it and reassemble

[Pacific coast Datsun]

The metallic wont be disturbed as long as theres "some" clear in or on top of the final coat of color.

The major source of the orange peel seems to be the primer. it wasnt blocked out before the color was shot.

Not to mention there may be orange peel in the color coats which makes it harder to smooth out.

You may find yourself sanding so long in 1 spot that you may go right through the top coat.

"I'm certain now that some dementias are more prolific when exposed to paint fumes.... :sick: ...and or the locale? :unsure: :D

Not slagging or disrespecting any Ratsun painters of course.....:)"

No offense taken..ive been painting for years & most of my brain cells are intact..haha!

[Sealik]

Ya....pretty sure the locale and or lifestyle around here 'contributes' more than the fumes :D

[Sealik]

Hypothetically speaking of course......what if there is no (or a lot less) clear in the paint as he states.....which wasn't that much in the first place.

And one starts wet sanding the metallic .....?

I can't confirm the amount of clear.

 

Uh OHHH......... :poop: ............?

[Sealik]

He did suggest to cut polish it after the 2000.......so now I'm thinking there was no clear....?

[datzenmike]

I'm certain now that some dementias are more prolific when exposed to paint fumes.... :sick: ...and or the locale? :unsure: :D

 

Doug perhaps you should try farther south like Kamloops where they practice exogamy more. :lol:

[Sealik]

That's funny Mike...... :D ...and yet somewhat correct.

Smaller 'towns' do have a propensity to...........well.......not travel far away from their comfort zone.

Hmmmmmmm......that reminds me........ :hyper: ....should go check on my 'stock'.... :rolleyes:

[Roadracer Al]

I'm thinking - just drive it. The paint looks way better than what's on my truck, that's for sure. It's a 10-footer job, which is OK. My truck is a 10-miler. :lol:

[Creepy Cruiser]

If you're trying to salvage what's there, you could always rescuff the whole thing (Grey Scotch Bright), and shoot a couple coats of real clear over it, and then cut and buff it. This will at least take the risk out of tipping the metallic accidentally. The build will be a little thick, and it probably wont make it perfect, but it will help a lot. Unfortunately, you can't do anything about the zebra stripping, except for repainting it. Good luck.

 

(basically the same as what Pacific Coast Datsun said, lol)

[Sealik]

Thanks for everyone's input......probably just wait until the fall then, wet sand.....and finish with some clear. Not too many booths available right now.............actually none. Give me some time to prep the engine bay and complete the color change....possibly drop in a LZ22. Anywho.... I re-riveted the (aluminum) dealer installed rocker trim today.....liberally slathered with urethane on both sides of the holes. .... hmmmm.

 

Other than any aesthetic value.....it helps off road when shit gets kicked up from your tires and whacks the upper rockers.. :pirate: .. :D

 

 

Guess I should give it's it first wash...... :hug:

 

 

Guess I should give it's it first wash...... :hug:

[DanielC]

I am no expert painting, but I do know this. Orange peel generally means the paint is sprayed too dry, and runs mean the paint was too wet. If you have both problems in the same paint job, it points to a badly adjusted gun, or probably poor gun technique.

Metallic paints are a pain because if the paint is sprayed wet, they are one color, and if sprayed dry they are a different color. If you cannot spray primer without runs, and orange peel, there is no way you are good enough with a gun to avoid "tiger striping" a metallic paint.

 

If you sand the clear coat through, you will change the color of the base coat metallic, because you are removing the color off the metallic flakes. And then you will have a paint job tiger striped, and blotchy where the sand throughs are.

 

Until you can find a better painter, or learn to do it yourself, I think your best option is to live with it.

[yellowdatsun]

You didn't mention what you paid for the paint job, it could be one of those "you get what you paid for" kinda deals, I dunno. If you spent $500 or less, that quality is to be expected. If you spent $2000 then I'd be asking for a respray.

 

I agree with Roadracer, just drive it. It's a 720 4x4, not a show truck. From 10-15 feet away it probably looks just fine.

[Sealik]

You didn't mention what you paid for the paint job, it could be one of those "you get what you paid for" kinda deals, I dunno. If you spent $500 or less, that quality is to be expected. If you spent $2000 then I'd be asking for a respray.

 

I agree with Roadracer, just drive it. It's a 720 4x4, not a show truck. From 10-15 feet away it probably looks just fine.

 

 

He got 500 bucks......I supplied the materials. All he had to do was tape it and spray it. Everything was removed from the truck....ready to spray. Pretty good money for a days work (?) and fucking a paint job up. I'm quite wary that it's not a show truck.....but it's in excellent shape.

I could ask till I'm blue in the face for a respray .....he's retired....not gonna happen

Gee.....Sorry that it's only a 720.

[yellowdatsun]

Not bashing that it's a 720, I have a soft spot for them since I used to own a 4x4 720 myself. Just sayin. If mine had a paint job that was as nice as the one you have now, I would have been ecstatic. Mine was spray bombed gloss black. For what you paid, plus materials, it looks about right.

 

I painted my own 510 recently, paid probably $300 for paint, another few hundred for prep materials, and had a frickin nightmare getting everything right. Had to repaint multiple panels because of fisheyes and whatnot. Sucked. So if I had paid someone $500 to spray it for me it would have saved me all the aggravation. Painting a car is not even remotely easy. I've done 3 so far, and every time wish I had someone else do it. So I guess what I'm sayin is, if you want a quality job, you need to shell out for the work. For me I wish I had just saved and then dropped $2500 and had someone else do the whole thing.

[Sealik]

Ya.....thing is.... I could of saved a few bucks and fucked it up myself:lol:

[Sealik]

Assembled......still have some of the interior to do.

Off road here I come..... :hyper:

 

 

 

 

 

Actually it's been off road since day 1......including today.

Although.....I seem to be driving it like an little old lady..... :) :unsure: :D

[mr68gts]

Tiger stripping is because the paint was shot in only one direction. With metallics you have to criss cross spray or you get the strips. Not so with regular solid paints. Blotchy is when you rub through the base on a metallic. Should have been sanded before the last couple of coats with 600, sprayed one last light coat to get even paint and then cleared. The clear is the protectant. It's a 2 stage paint. If the clear is thin, the paint will possibly chip to primer. too thick or too much hardner and it will definatly chip, but with more clear and sanding between coats, you can have a show quality paint with a little bit of labor. For 500 bucks though, you got what ya paid for. It's nicer than most one day paint shops! And when it's a 2 stage paint job, dont mix color in the final clear coat. It tends to do what it did, doesn't come out as shiny.

Paul

 

I am no expert painting, but I do know this. Orange peel generally means the paint is sprayed too dry, and runs mean the paint was too wet. If you have both problems in the same paint job, it points to a badly adjusted gun, or probably poor gun technique.

Metallic paints are a pain because if the paint is sprayed wet, they are one color, and if sprayed dry they are a different color. If you cannot spray primer without runs, and orange peel, there is no way you are good enough with a gun to avoid "tiger striping" a metallic paint.

 

If you sand the clear coat through, you will change the color of the base coat metallic, because you are removing the color off the metallic flakes. And then you will have a paint job tiger striped, and blotchy where the sand throughs are.

 

Until you can find a better painter, or learn to do it yourself, I think your best option is to live with it.